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Frylock
May 3rd, 2003, 02:35 AM
This will be extraordinarily geeky, so you are warned.

AND THERE ARE SPOILERS SO LEAVE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE MOVIE!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.










Now X-Men 2, while being a really good movie, I think takes from one movie in particular, especially at the end. You heard me right, X-Men 2 is similar to another movie. And that movie is Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan. Don't believe me? Well let me list my comparisons.

In Khan, there is a super-weapon named Genesis. While it is intended to be a tool of great good, it is mutated into a weapon of awesome destruction.
In X2, Cerebro becomes this super-weapon. It is intended to be a tool of great good, but is turned into a weapon of awesome destruction.

In Khan, Genesis puts the Enterprise crew in a life and death situation. The Enterprise is simply not fast enough to outrun the "Genesis effect."
In X2, the X-Men are put into a life or death situation by the destruction of Cerebro 2 and the Alkali Lake facility. The Blackbird malfunctions and cannot take off before the wave hits.

In Khan, a sacrifice is made. Spock dies so that the crew of the Enterprise might live on.
In X2, a sacrifice is made. Jean Grey dies so that the X-Men might live on.

In Khan, there is still hope that Spock might still be alive.
In X2, there is still hope that Jean Grey might still be alive. (Anyone who read the comics or watched the cartoon series knows her fate.)

And finally:
In Khan, we hear Spock at the end of the movie reciting the opening scene to Star Trek. ("Space the final frontier etc...)
In X2, we hear Jean Grey at the end of the movie reciting the beginning sequence to X-Men 1. (Evolution, for centuries, etc...)

The similarities are eerie, that it all I am saying.

cr3am
May 3rd, 2003, 04:27 AM
rofl, most of what you said is normal stuff to be put into a movie. (OMFGZ, A SACRIFICE?!?!?!?)

the end with jean gray was put in so that Phoenix can come :rolleyes: and to set up X3 :rolleyes:

BECAUSE cerebro is a super weapon now, it puts them in a life or death situation.

think about it, anytime something is made to be good, someone finds a way to kill you with it.

Frylock
May 3rd, 2003, 05:01 AM
Super geek time.

Indeed the Phoenix Saga etc...

Yes good things can be turned into evil things etc...

And I was talking about Cerebro being a super weapon in that timeframe. No doubt the Genesis device incident in the Wrath of Khan created more grief (Kirk's son was murdered and the Enterprise was destroyed in Star Trek III because of Genesis and the information surrounding it. Also to a lesser extent caused bad diplomatic relations with the Klingons in ST: IV.) I can see Cerebro causing more trouble in the future.

HOWEVER! The style in which Jean made her sacrifice and the circumstances in which this sacrifice were made bear an eerie resemblance to the Wrath of Khan. But what really convinced me what the whole ending part. It was a little too similar to Khan for comfort.

For example, at the end of Khan, we see the torpedo casing that Spock was launched in resting on the newly created planet's surface. And in X2 we see the newly formed lake where Jean died and some mysterious "eye-masks" reflected in the water.

Then of course there were the endings of each movie. In Khan, Spock reciting “Space the final frontier...” And Jean reciting “Evolution, for millennia (or whatever)”

I mean all through the ending all I could think of was Khan, Khan..... KHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry... you probably all think I look like that fat "Comic Guy" on the Simpsons for being so nerdy, but I'm just a regular fellow who's way too bored and has way too much time on his hands.

I'm not fat... what? Really... I'm not! STOP LAUGHING AT ME!!!!

I'm going to go cry... :(

cr3am
May 3rd, 2003, 10:50 AM
here's where they were at:

They were at a damn
The only way to make the damn scene interesting, is to make a huge danger.
The most obviouis way to make a huge danger was to blow the damn
The easiest way to make jean die, and make it make sense, was to save their lives and die in the water

it's the only thing they could logically do in two hours, and it was a very good idea

Downfall
May 3rd, 2003, 11:54 AM
the movie was awsome

I liked the way that they tried to make an original storyline but still keep some of the comic stuff in there like phoenix.

It was a good way to put that in there ..if they had fllowed the original plot they would have to have brought in aliens and a bunch of other unnecesary shit.

cr3am
May 3rd, 2003, 05:24 PM
and the giant robot guys....

I CAN'T WAIT TILL JUGGERNAUGHT!!! (is he comming?)

Downfall
May 3rd, 2003, 06:43 PM
i am hoping for Gambit to be in the next movie.....if they did more with jubile they might do some stuff with the sentinals...besides its mainly her fault the sentinel program was started......but seing as how these movies have original storylines they might not...but it would be cool to see how they might do em if the did decide to put sentinels in

future man
May 3rd, 2003, 10:30 PM
It showed gambits name in this flick, when mystique is going through that computer, he was right above someone elses name, im gonna watch it again now.

cr3am
May 3rd, 2003, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by future man
It showed gambits name in this flick, when mystique is going through that computer, he was right above someone elses name, im gonna watch it again now. PM me the filename

future man
May 3rd, 2003, 10:43 PM
You were given the filename earlier on another board i believe.

Downfall
May 4th, 2003, 12:05 PM
gambit was going to be in a quick scene.....they casted wolverines stund double/dody double/...you get the picture......as gambit......but when they wanted to make a 3rd movie they realized that they would have to cast a different character for him.........so they decided to cut the quick scene so that people wouldnt say they double casted him......because people wold notice that the gambit from the 3nd movie was different than the gambit from the 3rd


I am not 100% sure about this info.

Smapdey
May 4th, 2003, 04:34 PM
I just saw it.

Iceman alone bothered me. The comics got a full scale butchering IMHO.

future man
May 4th, 2003, 07:21 PM
I agree.

cr3am
May 4th, 2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Smapdey
Iceman alone bothered me. The comics got a full scale butchering IMHO. so what? The comics wouldn't make a good movie, that's why they're comics. I honestly don't think it would be a good movie if they had the space crap, and all of the stuff and phoenix comming down. it would be so confusing, long, and boring. Plus, there's some originality to it because they didn't just go into the comics and get the crap, they got a good plot.

Which is better for a movie? A little machine, or a huge circular room?

btw, iceman sounds like a 9 year old.