08' elections

[iha‏teyou]

This is a touchy topic, but which candidates are you guys interested in? Personally I would vote for Ron Paul, but if I had to pick from the democratic party I would choose Obama, though I'm saying that with very little knowledge of the democratic candidates.

This isn't a Republicans vs. Democrats thread, I just want to see what the atrip community has found interest in.

[MrBored]

Ron Paul, but Hillary is probably going to win the Dems and I have no idea who's going to win the Rep's.

[Fatty]

Ron Paul 08. Hillarys a bitch.

[iha‏teyou]

Yea hillary is ugly and mean.

[schnitzel_bob]

So were the majority of American presidents.

[Fatty]

Also, she's a woman.

[Fortune Hunter]

Electrons
http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/images/na00119_.gif

[future man]

I'm going to stay home and play WoW, at this point, I could give a fuck who wins, I hate almost all the viable candidates with a passion. Plus, I live in a huge republican state, so there's no point in me spending valuable grinding time.

[iha‏teyou]

You might fit better in north east Ohio, everyone here is a Democrat.

Also wtf is the electrons graph for? Are you trying to secretly say you like nascar and therefor are a stereotypical Republican?

[MrBored]

Elections-Electrons. One letter difference!

[IcedEarth]

So elections and erections are one letter apart too. Doesn't mean I have to post a picture of a raging boner.

Although...

[MrBored]

Electrons with erections in elections!

[RAY16]

I'm going to vote for the ghost of George Washington.

[MrBored]

I'd rather vote for Thomas Jefferson. He's teh pwn.

[halomizer]

If I was american I would vote for Ron Paul. He's the only one who seems to know something. Whenever he's in debates people get shut down and have no idea what to come back with because he speaks the truth.

[Downfall]

obama

[King Speedy]

obama

[Digital Limit]

You put the apostrophe in the wrong spot.

[Fortune Hunter]

I vote for Ben Gates, he finds like of neat treasure and stuff...
http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/National%20Treasure.jpg

[Digital Limit]

And Obama is really growing on me, for the record.

[halomizer]

And Obama is really growing on me, for the record.

Fuck Obama.

[MrBored]

Anyone other than Hillary, she's evil as fuck.

[halomizer]

Anyone other than Hillary, she's evil as fuck.

Ron Paul

[halomizer]

+1

[future man]

If we're still hoping for Ron Paul, might I suggest Sauron, he's got the will and power to clean this shit up, and stands just as much of a chance.

[psydude20]

Ron Paul
Libertarians live in a pipe dream.

[MrBored]

One day, when all the religious people are dead, from blowing each other up, Libertarian Atheists will form a utopia.

[Digital Limit]

Ron Paul won't win. The college student vote is small relative to the rest of the world.

[MrBored]

Ron Paul won't win. The intelligent student vote is small relative to the rest of the country.

[schnitzel_bob]

Ron Paul won't win. The stoned student who won't actually bother to show up on election day vote is small relative to the rest of the world.

Edit:

And Obama is really growing on me, for the record.

Like so (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-MtY1nRcpU)?

[iha‏teyou]

You're right about Ron Paul sadly, I can see it now. America votes for another asshole and complains about it for the next 8 years. (yes i'm implying they give him 2 terms dispite the hatred.)

[burnart]

I dont care as long as the democrats win, or even then
+1

[future man]

I dont care as long as the democrats win, or even then
+1

[halomizer]

Reminds me of this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6g7xFRjY22s

[aktoo]

I really have no clue on who will win the 08 election. It is a very close race.

[MrBored]

I think Romney will win and the Universe will explode.

[Fatty]

I think Romney will win and the Universe will explode.

it already did

[Kain]

And Obama is really growing on me, for the record.

Might want to see a doctor about that.

[iha‏teyou]

http://disc.420chan.org/smoke/src/1201975583436.jpg
What utter bullshit, everyone at CNN except Bill O'Reilly should die in 73 fires.

[Hobbes874]

Anyone other than Hillary, she's evil as fuck.
QTF, but I'm sure as hell not voting Republican. That leaves one person for me to vote for. God I love democracy.

[Lehesu]

Ron Paul wants to take us back onto the gold standard. That's about as much evidence as I need to write him off as a wackjob.

[MrBored]

Instead you have depressions and recessions, how is that more 'sane'?

[Lehesu]

And a gold standard definitively solves this problem how?

[Digital Limit]

He doesn't want to take us back to the gold standard. You're embellishing. Read the fine print.

[MrBored]

I think I'll quote me.

Firstly, he didn't say all tax, he just said income tax. Basically, it all comes down to the federal reserve. The printing of money, without it having any real value (i.e. gold), causes inflation. The inflation drives the stock market up, but that inflation has to be paid for, thats where the IRS comes in. Its paid for by taxing the income of the working classes. This creates the common effect of the rich getting richer, because they use the stock market, and the poor getting poorer, because they work for their money and pay for the rich peoples gain.

Besides the obvious ethical problems of this system, there are some pretty serious consequences. One of them is that the countries stock market and consequent value isn't based on an increase in production. Its an artificial increase which isn't stable and eventually, when the gap gets big enough (between the rich and the poor), the entire system collapses and you get a recession or even a depression. The poor can no longer pay for the rich and the fed has to print more and more money to try and pay for the countries debts, which causes the currency to fail and inflation to go through the roof. This has happened many times before with paper currencies and is currently occurring in Zimbabwe. It can also happen the other way round, where the stock market crashes first.

Now, to get rid of the IRS you would have to get rid of the federal reserve. This may sound impossible, but there is a rather interesting way around this problem. The solution is to create a competing currency within the country, based not on fictitious interest rates made up by the fed, but on the real value of gold and silver. Due to the nature of the system, the secondary currency will become far stronger than the fed currency and through classic capitalism, the fed based paper money will be phased out.

You may be asking, then why was the federal reserve created in the first place. Its something I need to find out as well, because there is a very valid reason, so I'm going to do some reading.

[Lehesu]

What is this, the modern-day populist farmer's movement? It isn't a cross of gold, but it's pretty damn close. At least Jennings Bryan was trying to loosen up the supply of money, if only by going from gold to silver. Ron Paul would have us give up inflation for a tightened money supply? That makes a lot of sense. There is a reason most of the entire civilized world stopped backing their currency with valuable metals and started printing fiat money.

1.) You don't just "pay" for inflation through taxes. I'd actually be interested in how this inflation is paid for.
2.) Inflation doesn't drive the stock market up. The Fed doesn't hit the inflation button when they want a boost in stocks.
3.) The GDP is actually an increase of production, as tools exist to remove the effect of inflation from the equation.
4.) Zimbabwe fails at currency because they have no fine grasp of modern economics. You can't blame fiat money if the people printing it out have no idea of what they are doing.
5.) The "fictitious" interest rates that the Fed establishes are designed, by their very nature, to help control inflation.
6.) Since when did classic capitalism always end up giving the best result? You advocate letting the market take care of our currency problems; I would argue that many of the problems that you mention are not products of inflation, but of the vagaries of the market economy itself.

And these are just some really brief points that can be made.

[burnart]

I wonder if Romney had won, since he's stinking rich and don't need all the campaign "contributions" (payoffs), if he would make the better president in the end, because of not owing much to the big corporations and maybe could make his own decisions.

[iha‏teyou]

What is this, the modern-day populist farmer's movement? It isn't a cross of gold, but it's pretty damn close. At least Jennings Bryan was trying to loosen up the supply of money, if only by going from gold to silver. Ron Paul would have us give up inflation for a tightened money supply? That makes a lot of sense. There is a reason most of the entire civilized world stopped backing their currency with valuable metals and started printing fiat money.

1.) You don't just "pay" for inflation through taxes. I'd actually be interested in how this inflation is paid for.
2.) Inflation doesn't drive the stock market up. The Fed doesn't hit the inflation button when they want a boost in stocks.
3.) The GDP is actually an increase of production, as tools exist to remove the effect of inflation from the equation.
4.) Zimbabwe fails at currency because they have no fine grasp of modern economics. You can't blame fiat money if the people printing it out have no idea of what they are doing.
5.) The "fictitious" interest rates that the Fed establishes are designed, by their very nature, to help control inflation.
6.) Since when did classic capitalism always end up giving the best result? You advocate letting the market take care of our currency problems; I would argue that many of the problems that you mention are not products of inflation, but of the vagaries of the market economy itself.

And these are just some really brief points that can be made.

By the fed are you referring to our government, or the privately owned bank, The Federal Reserve, that prints and controls our money? I think the advantage of the gold standard is that if our country hits an economic crysis, our money is still backed by real value, not just a note.

[Lehesu]

By the fed are you referring to our government, or the privately owned bank, The Federal Reserve, that prints and controls our money? I think the advantage of the gold standard is that if our country hits an economic crysis, our money is still backed by real value, not just a note.

So what's the advantage of having a money supply that never grows because new gold isn't just created? Constant monetary deflation?

[Fatty]

Having less money = each money is worth more.

[future man]

The guy is a fucking Mormon, not that I have anything against fucking Mormons, but seriously, a fucking Mormon.

[Lehesu]

Having less money = each money is worth more.

Which equals a bunch of farmers in bum-fuck rural land getting irritated because their isn't enough fiscal liquidity to purchase capital with. Plus, how can you back all of our money with gold when our banking system actually makes money just by operating?

[Digital Limit]

Well, I'm definitely voting for Obama, now. He's just so damn inspirational.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gxd8x7UGOuo

[LittleChief]

Well, I'm definitely voting for Obama, now. He's just so damn inspirational.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gxd8x7UGOuo

So he can speak well......????

Name one Obama accomplishment (Aside from inspiring college students)

[Jwr5]

Hussein.... nope

[Digital Limit]

So he can speak well......????

Name one Obama accomplishment (Aside from inspiring college students)

Fuck off with your arguments of experience. Experience doesn't mean shit when the real issues, the issues people vote on, require no experience at all from a president, but rather a choice. I am voting for Obama because he supports my views, but moreso because I know that once he is elected he will continue that vision as he is a distinctly genuine and honorable candidate. He does not lower himself to smear campaigns. He helps other candidates in times of crisis. And he takes even the most despicable acts against against him in stride, and even with grace. Every other candidate has taken the other road in this instance, putting on a face for the cameras or putting down their opponents. There is no reason to run a race like that.

Also, he is the figurehead of this nation, first and foremost, so his ability to communicate effectively shouldn't be a passing quality, but moreso the quality we define a candidate by. I am so tired of Bushisms plaguing the dignity of America. We're supposed to be a respectable nation, the most progressive nation, but no candidate can lend themselves to this area as much as Obama can. And do not forget how quickly his eloquence lends to his intelligence. I know he is capable, despite his age. And it's not as if he stands alone.

Succinctly, I trust Obama. He is of solid mind and character. That is all I ask from a president, after what we've gone through.

Honesty. Transparency. Intelligence. Change. Let's have that leading us.

[future man]

That brought me so close to puking I'm going to vote republican this year just to spite you.

[Digital Limit]

The ending made me puke, actually, but then I laughed, so I expanded on it and here we are :)

[Downfall]

Id rather have competence with little experience than the current lack of competence and a lot of experience

[future man]

I want more wars. More wars. Because there isn't dick to watch on television.

[LittleChief]

Fuck off with your arguments of experience. Experience doesn't mean shit when the real issues, the issues people vote on, require no experience at all from a president, but rather a choice. I am voting for Obama because he supports my views, but moreso because I know that once he is elected he will continue that vision as he is a distinctly genuine and honorable candidate. He does not lower himself to smear campaigns. He helps other candidates in times of crisis. And he takes even the most despicable acts against against him in stride, and even with grace. Every other candidate has taken the other road in this instance, putting on a face for the cameras or putting down their opponents. There is no reason to run a race like that.

Also, he is the figurehead of this nation, first and foremost, so his ability to communicate effectively shouldn't be a passing quality, but moreso the quality we define a candidate by. I am so tired of Bushisms plaguing the dignity of America. We're supposed to be a respectable nation, the most progressive nation, but no candidate can lend themselves to this area as much as Obama can. And do not forget how quickly his eloquence lends to his intelligence. I know he is capable, despite his age. And it's not as if he stands alone.

Succinctly, I trust Obama. He is of solid mind and character. That is all I ask from a president, after what we've gone through.

Honesty. Transparency. Intelligence. Change. Let's have that leading us.

-So why do you like Mr. Obama?
-Change man, change, its time for change! The US is ready for a black president!
-Ok, but specifically, what do you like about him?
-He's black man, BLACK! And he's for CHANGE!
-What policies of his do you agree with?
-I like his policy of CHANGE! Its time for a black president! WooHoo!!!! And he's a really good public speaker! He makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside!
-You know he's only half black, right?
-Change, man! CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, he speaks very well, unlike Bush and can rally people to the cause. Yes, he makes many people feel proud to be Americans when he talks. However, the same exact thing can be said about Hitler. He was a great speaker and knew how to rally people to his cause. He made people feel great about being German. Now, I'm not in any way comparing Obama to Hitler, but if that's your biggest reason for voting for him, I feel sorry for you. How he talks or how he makes you feel has absolutely no link to how he's going to run the country. Voting for someone based solely on their ability to string comprehensible sentences together is foolish.

[future man]

Hitler was awesome, look at what he almost succeeded at, that's insane. I'd vote for him. Guy got shit done.

[Fatty]

Hitler was awesome, look at what he almost succeeded at, that's insane. I'd vote for him. Guy got shit done.

tru dat, just happened to have a little grudge against some people.

Of all the available candidates, I would still like to see Ron Paul get in office. However, that isn't going to happen. Out of the three that are still going (McCain, Clinton, Obama), I would like to see Obama in office the most. First of all, McCain would just be another Bush, but worse. Clinton is some robotic bitch, and I agree with most of Obamas policies. Yes, some people are voting for him because he is a great speaker. Some people because he is black, but I don't really care as long as Clinton or McCain don't get in office. That would be armageddon.

[Digital Limit]

-So why do you like Mr. Obama?
-Change man, change, its time for change! The US is ready for a black president!
-Ok, but specifically, what do you like about him?
-He's black man, BLACK! And he's for CHANGE!
-What policies of his do you agree with?
-I like his policy of CHANGE! Its time for a black president! WooHoo!!!! And he's a really good public speaker! He makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside!
-You know he's only half black, right?
-Change, man! CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, he speaks very well, unlike Bush and can rally people to the cause. Yes, he makes many people feel proud to be Americans when he talks. However, the same exact thing can be said about Hitler. He was a great speaker and knew how to rally people to his cause. He made people feel great about being German. Now, I'm not in any way comparing Obama to Hitler, but if that's your biggest reason for voting for him, I feel sorry for you. How he talks or how he makes you feel has absolutely no link to how he's going to run the country. Voting for someone based solely on their ability to string comprehensible sentences together is foolish.

Ignoring my other points, then? That's cool.

[future man]

tru dat, just happened to have a little grudge against some people.

Of all the available candidates, I would still like to see Ron Paul get in office. However, that isn't going to happen. Out of the three that are still going (McCain, Clinton, Obama), I would like to see Obama in office the most. First of all, McCain would just be another Bush, but worse. Clinton is some robotic bitch, and I agree with most of Obamas policies. Yes, some people are voting for him because he is a great speaker. Some people because he is black, but I don't really care as long as Clinton or McCain don't get in office. That would be armageddon.

You basically said what I would of said if I hadn't ruined my brain with drugs.

[LittleChief]

Ignoring my other points, then? That's cool.

Having to do with his experience? It seems to me you're just going on a hunch that he'll be honest, transparent, eloquent and intelligent leader if he gets put into office, based on his speeches, not what he's done or accomplished as a senator.

Personally, I admire Obama for his ability to rally his supporters, it's an obvious trait that has obviously set him apart from the pack and might just get him elected. He seems to be an every-man who seems to be very negotiable and down-to-earth, which I also respect. And by the way things seem to be going, he may not have a lack of experience anymore when it's all said and done.
McCain is known as a 'suit' in upstate NY, and will have trouble winning the young votes. Hillary, I don't trust. The hell if I know who to vote for at this point...they're all just well-dressed car salesmen.

[RAY16]

As I've said before, I won't be voting. I'll just sit at home and scratch my testicles with one hand whilst I eat with the other (switching hands periodically to avoid fatigue, of course).

However, I recommend– nay, demand that you all vote for Kleegor, Surpreme Ruler of Centauri-5. Being the official Brainslug-implanted spokesperson that I am, I will be exempt from the wrath he shall bring down upon all who do not vote. All of those who have not been implanted with a Centaurian Branslug and refuse to vote will suffer unimaginable pain and humiliation at the hand of their new overlord, Kleegor of Centauri-5.

That is all.

[Digital Limit]

Having to do with his experience? It seems to me you're just going on a hunch that he'll be honest, transparent, eloquent and intelligent leader if he gets put into office, based on his speeches, not what he's done or accomplished as a senator.

Personally, I admire Obama for his ability to rally his supporters, it's an obvious trait that has obviously set him apart from the pack and might just get him elected. He seems to be an every-man who seems to be very negotiable and down-to-earth, which I also respect. And by the way things seem to be going, he may not have a lack of experience anymore when it's all said and done.
McCain is known as a 'suit' in upstate NY, and will have trouble winning the young votes. Hillary, I don't trust. The hell if I know who to vote for at this point...they're all just well-dressed car salesmen.

Exactly. And I refuse to vote Republican, if only out of spite. So here we are.

Also, my hunch isn't "just based on his speeches". I cited his actions, be it helping others, running a clean campaign, or taking smears with stride.

[LittleChief]

Exactly. And I refuse to vote Republican, if only out of spite. So here we are.

Also, my hunch isn't "just based on his speeches". I cited his actions, be it helping others, running a clean campaign, or taking smears with stride.

He's done some admirable things along his campaign, I'm sure, as a politician, but as a Senator? Has he actually spearheaded any past endeavors or taken action to reform something in Illinois? I mean, nothing really comes to mind. Rudy had past leadership experience as the mayor of NYC, when he cleaned up the city and held them through the aftermath of 9/11. Unfortunately, he didn't run a good campaign, and never really had a shot at the nomination. I might even vote probama...

[Digital Limit]

Can you really spearhead much as a senator? Like, do a lot of other senators spearhead shit?

And no, this isn't a sick euphemism :p

[Lehesu]

I would need to know what comittees he has been on to figure out how much policy clout he has.

[King Speedy]

http://www.dipdive.com/

[Digital Limit]

There's also a parody on YouTube for McCain, if you feel like searching for that: john.he.is

[LittleChief]

Can you really spearhead much as a senator? Like, do a lot of other senators spearhead shit?

And no, this isn't a sick euphemism :p

Meh...

[Digital Limit]

Me too.

[iha‏teyou]

At this point, none of the candidates are really anything I like. I'm for maintaining rights such as bearing arms or smoking in public (outside) but Republicans always have to get caught up in stupid things like getting close to mixing church and state. Decisions being influenced by religion is what I'm talking about.

Meh I thought I had something positive to say about the democrats but I guess not.

[Digital Limit]

What do you have against the democrats?

[schnitzel_bob]

What do you have against the democrats?

Asides from unbelievable cowardice despite controlling Congress and a brutal lack of leadership and direction in the party?

As for what you said, ihateyou, that reflects one of the problems with the American system, the lack of choice. Two party systems are incredibly lacking. I believe Jon Stewart said it best in his book : "The two party system accurately reflects the bi-chromatic rainbow that is American politics".

[farsimon]

Asides from unbelievable cowardice despite controlling Congress and a brutal lack of leadership and direction in the party?

As for what you said, ihateyou, that reflects one of the problems with the American system, the lack of choice. Two party systems are incredibly lacking. I believe Jon Stewart said it best in his book : "The two party system accurately reflects the bi-chromatic rainbow that is American politics".

If you have more parties than that then only one will ever be the winner and the rest will share the votes - like in south africa. Careful what you wish for.

[schnitzel_bob]

Not necessarily. Many countries successfully have coalition governments (Germany, Switzerland), or have multi party systems without the need for coalition governments (Britain, Canada). The point is that there are many alternatives to a two party system.
As for the criticism that multi party systems can lead to interminable unstable coalition governments at the mercy of insane fringe parties (Italy, Israel), yes, I admit that is a concern, but there are measures to prevent that (say having a minimum percentage of the vote to gain access to the elected body).

[iha‏teyou]

Yeah I agree the party system causes problems. Other than the candidates attempting to appeal to democrat/republican audiences in effort to win instead of using logic and reason, people don't pay attention as much to what issues each candidate is supporting, because the candidate being a republican or democrat makes people assume what their choices will be.

And DL, what don't I like about democrats? I think the idea of trying to please the mass population causes confusion and bad decisoins to be made. IMO if the majority shows one opinion to be the most prominent, that doesn't make it right at all. For example, the bans on smoking in public. Maybe most people don't like the idea of it but unless it's in an enclosed area, you're probably not going to get any negative effects from 2nd hand smoke. I am not a smoker myself but it bothers me because people are permitting and agreeing with freedoms being taken away. And I didn't say I like republicans, I just happen to agree with them more.

ok I think that explained my opinions, sleep deprivation FTL.

[Digital Limit]

The smoking issue is the one you're drawing the line on? Heh, ok.

As for Bob, yeah, the democrats can be pussies, but do I give a shit? No, because I'll take a group full of not-so go getters with my ideals than a bunch of assholes doing exactly the opposite of what I'd prefer. The less we perpetuate religion and war, the better. The more we promote intelligence and dignity, the better. As it stands, we have a group of douchebags pulling out all the stops to roll downhill in an uphill race.

[future man]

Anyone else find themselves wishing we still had a 2000 era McCain? I mean, Jesus christ, the mother fucker is almost at this point his polar opposite from eight years ago. If he wasn't such a douchefag and Bush-bitch as of late I'd probably be supporting him more than anyone else.

[Lehesu]

Keep in mind that all candidates, all, will start pushing towards the middle as far as they can without looking ridiculous after the primaries. It's just rational choice theory at work for votes. These stances may or may not indicate what the candidates will do once they win office, though.

[Digital Limit]

Hence my belief in Obama. He appears genuine. I believe he will uphold what he claims now to stand for.

And yeah, I was completely behind McCain back in 2000. He's just too fucking old and, as you said, quite the Bush-bitch, now.

[iha‏teyou]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard Obama supports special treatment of minorities. I disagree with affirmative action, because it basically takes a shit all over racial equality.

Also, the smoking issue was just an example I brought up because most of you are aware of it. When it comes to freedoms being revoked, that's just the tip of the ice burg. The fact people agree with that decision shows me that it is hopeless when it comes to issues like the government being allowed to arrest and detain people simply for expressing "extremist" views on the internet. Could I be considered an extremist by keeping informed about the government's actions a little too much, like how they secretly viewed traffic from AT&T? Or maybe discussing security flaws in software. Just the fact that it's a possibilty is enough to get to me.

[Digital Limit]

I don't imagine Obama would be for revoking American freedoms. As for affirmative action, whatever. We're still not in a level society, so it might be necessary, despite it "shitting all over racial equality".

[iha‏teyou]

Racism is a problem with society though. I think it is the responsibility of the government only to keep laws equal for everyone. Do you think minorities getting special treatment at the expense of others is really going to help the situation?

[Digital Limit]

Who knows, maybe Obama wouldn't have made it into Harvard if it wasn' for Affirmative Action, and as such we wouldn't have a potential black president, and ultimately the kind of progression we do. I am not sure how the effects of Affirmative Action ripple through society, but I'll admit it's easy to put it off as reverse discrimination and move on.

[iha‏teyou]

Well, maybe it's not entirely a bad idea, I just don't think its being done right as of now.

[LittleChief]

Affirmative Action is good in theory and all, but when it gets to the point where something illogical and ridiculous is done because it's "politically correct" then it's just plain wrong.

[MrBored]

Affirmative action is the most retarded concept ever. If black people had any brains, they'd consider it racist. Are they really that crap that they still need help? Sure there are still poor black people, but fuck, there's a ton of poor white people living in trailer parks...

[LittleChief]

Affirmative action is the most retarded concept ever. If black people had any brains, they'd consider it racist. Are they really that crap that they still need help? Sure there are still poor black people, but fuck, there's a ton of poor white people living in trailer parks...

Only white people can be racist, silly!

So I just got around to watching Hillary in an interview after her recent (and unfortunate) victory. It made me ask myself the question - what the hell is wrong with this woman's face?

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2043/hillaryisuglyjg5.jpg

Was she stung in the face by a swarm of africanized bees? Is she gathering nuts for next winter? Are they shooting her with a fisheye lens? What the hell is going on? She looks like she slipped and hit her face on the stairs of the short bus.

[RAY16]

Down syndrome?

[LittleChief]

I wouldn't rule it out.

[Digital Limit]

Her face is pretty fucked up, yeah.

[Fatty]

http://www.lakeshoreimages.com/images9/chipmunk4.jpg

[farsimon]

Lol. Which one is Clinton again?

[MrBored]

She's so evil that she had to have her face surgically altered to constantly smile.

[Xiar]

Personally, I hope Obama wins. Hillary's a whore.


...

However, I think McCain's gonna win.

But if Hillary wins, then she will be assassinated. And the man who assassinates her WILL be our NEXT president.