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Yian
May 4th, 2003, 11:17 AM
I once stated that "cheating in a single player game isn't a big deal"... I was wrong. I hereby apologize for such inconsiderate statement I made before and here is my new thought: once a cheater, always a cheater.

Cheats help us to go through frustration we face in games we play, especially single player campaign, where there are corners the level designers probably didn't handle well, and having hard time getting through that level was not players' fault. I use Ammo cheats a lot in Red Faction because the game is always low on ammo, and I used noclip in Alice to get pass certain obstacles so I can just take the screenshots I need. Hitman's cheats are fun, too. Ghost Recon is impossible to play without some cheats here and there...

But that's not always the case. Most people, not to generalize, simply suck at moust-and-keyboard control in PC games, and this is the point where players split into two groups: the ones that spent time on mastering the control and eventually forge reflex and control into one body, and those who simply cheat their way through.

For an example, a lot of games today simulate the recoil of the firing of a gun. Burst firing thus became crucial in order to land your bullets the place you want them to be. There are, however, so many people just don't get this. People would use the rifles in SOF II like they would in Quake 3, full blast and run into an enemy, only to realize that his rifle was bobing like crazy. And these players started to wine how "bad" the game was designed, and they started to look for help from their "God"... God mode here. Play through the entire game with God mode, you don't need to use burst firing at all, thus these dudes beat the game, and never know what is going on with the burst fire.

So is to RTS. Starcraft was a very easy game, but Brood War was a bit of challenge. A lot of people I know simply cheat their way through every single level. Black Sheep Wall!!!! Oh-yeah!!!! These players might lose more than 800 units as Protoss but they still managed to win. And after the entire campaign, they had no idea what resource management is like.

As long as there is a game, there are people who bitch about it. You think it is stupid for people to blame all the violence to the video games? Just wait till you see how stupid people could be when they blame the game design when they simlpy suck at it. Instead of looking for a way to get the perfect balance of their tactics, they simplay say the game "sucks," "frustrating," "too much micromanagment," "The pathfinding system is bad..."

We all heard of the shit people said about StarCraft, such as the fact that you can select only 12 units at a time, and people started to complain " then people who click the mouse faster win the game... " Well, duh? What make they think that they still SHOULD be the winners if theeir fingers weren't as faster? Do you complain about CS, saying:" Then people with better teamwork win the game... there is no way we could win then because my teammates suck... so unfair..." Well, again, duh?

Here is another example, in this case it's about Homeworld. In Homeworld2, the developers take off the refueling the strike craft usually need in the original game, because a lot of people complains it is "frustrating." I say those dickhead should go home and fuck themselves. They made a bunch of fighters to go against capital ships, and they were stupid enough to make just one group of them, and stupid enough to send them all the way across the map, and stupid enough to boost their speed all the time, and when the strike craft ran out of fuel, they complain instead of asking themselves "why am I so stupid?" The art of fighter management is this: build support frigate to speed up the refueling, move support frigates with escorts of other fighter groups, and never use all the fighters to their last drop of fuel unless you know you have enough time to refuel them. Homeworld has only one type of resource to harvest, and you can even move your HQ around, sound like a simple enough game, huh? Well, when people face a challenging aspect of the game, they simply blame it to the game design.

Now, back to the point. These dumbass are lazy, but they still want the taste of victory which they don't deserve, so the dumbass mo-fos started to deploy the same tactics they used in the single player campaign: cheats! They got cheating into a habbit, and now they can't win without it. So they went through the web and grab all these different cheat program and suddenly they felt like gods again...

...which explains why there are so many cheaters in today's online games. One of the dude in our forum is actually a big ass cheater in Diablo 2. He steal other people's item ALL THE TIME. Just think how shitty the guys face is gonna look after he realize that his item has been stolen. He might spent hours to look for it, it might be one of the reason he level himself so hard, and one day, a mo-fo stepped in and took it away from him with absolutely no efforts of any sort. And this cheating shit became very addictive for him, he does nothing but looking for more cheats online.

Cheaters cheat because this is the only way to win! They fell absolutely no fun in a game unless they have the absolute dominance over the game. They do not realize that the other players online are same as him, who want to win as well but with their real skill, and the cheaters built their pleasure on other people's pain, and they know this, and they love doing it.

In conclusion, a story from two nights ago. To all the CS cheaters: Come on, at least practice a little bit. Cheat and still suck is the ultimate humiliation to a gamer, and I would recommend you just go play with Complter aI for good. This mo-fo can see through walls and didn't even try to fake that he can't he started to follow a dude, started to fire his guns... at a piece of wall, and he kept sjooting at it untill seconds later he realized that there is a wall... (too much transparency on the texture..??) and eventually it came to face-to-face, and he let his AK go full-automatic... need to say more? He might want to get an Aimbot, too, because he can't even aim.

People, if you can't aim, can burst fire, can't hear footsteps, can't manage your resource, can't attack with the right units, can't use your brain or simplay too stupid to realize that how stupid you actually are, don't play games online. Max Payne is a good game with no muti-player, try it.

future man
May 4th, 2003, 11:31 AM
Hence the name.....game.

RADiator
May 4th, 2003, 11:43 AM
READ IT!! READ IT ALL YOU CHEATING BASTARDS!! Great text Yian;)

WhoGivesARatsAss
May 4th, 2003, 11:50 AM
Damn Cheaters.. anyways i have to read the post first to comment here.. but thus far i have cheated only in those games in which i got so frustrated that.. i ran around naked all over the block and then pissed on my neighbors garden.. fucked a hen.. and still couldnt do the game after passing through all these rituals.. namely impossible creatures.. damn that was one hard game..

cr3am
May 4th, 2003, 11:52 AM
Yian, when you were talking about Single Player, you were 100% WRONG!!

If the single player game is more fun with cheats (godmode, noclip, inf ammo, etc.) then i turn 'em on. If the game is more fun without cheats (Splinter Cell, Half Life, BF1942, etc.) i leave 'em off. I don't play a game to win, no siree. I play a game to have fun, and if cheating makes it more fun, then fuck anyone who says otherwise.

Odm
May 4th, 2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by cr3am
Yian, when you were talking about Single Player, you were 100% WRONG!!

If the single player game is more fun with cheats (godmode, noclip, inf ammo, etc.) then i turn 'em on. If the game is more fun without cheats (Splinter Cell, Half Life, BF1942, etc.) i leave 'em off. I don't play a game to win, no siree. I play a game to have fun, and if cheating makes it more fun, then fuck anyone who says otherwise. Some people use to cheats just to beat the game (trust me). Others use cheats to have fun... Yian's point was when people start to use cheats just to beat the game, it defeats the purpose of playing it.

sushi128
May 4th, 2003, 02:13 PM
well, i don't think it defeats the purpose of playing. the gameplay is still there; and FPS is still and FPS even with cheats. admittedly, cheats in an RTS defeats the point of strategy, and cheating in an RPG defeats the purpose of character developement. i think most of all it relieves the sense of urgency; you need to constantly find ammo, or worry about health (or your buildings, or gold).

Rhenna
May 4th, 2003, 02:53 PM
I can remember a level in "Half Life: Blue Shift", about two-thirds of the way through that (very short) game. There's this large room with a pit of green, radioactive slop you have to traverse. I tried jumping from one floating crate to the next and got nowhere. I tried looking for an alternate path. I searched for some switch or lever to use. This went on for 30 minutes. (Longer?)

I'll bet there's like, 600 people on this forum who can tell me how to get across that obstacle with no sweat. With a certain amount of regret, I no-clipped my way across. And then, I turned it off.

Maybe another 60 seconds of trying/looking would have done it. Maybe I should have asked on a gaming forum for some help. Maybe I should have bought the "Official Guide To Half-Life: Blue Shift". (Not!)

I agree with Yian to a very large extent. I hate to resort to cheating in single player. It sucks. But, sometimes you're left with little choice.

One of the finest lines in the universe is the one between challenging a player and simply frustrating him or her. And not every game gets that right.

The case above isn't the best example, but who hasn't had to reload a level 20 times just in an effort to get a little further along in a game? I sure have. I'll walk away from a tough obstacle and come back and try it another day. But there is a point where I'll decide I've invested enough of my life in (possibly) some crappy design. I'll reluctantly cheat my way past it, and then turn the cheat off. And, it always bothers me.

aphremen
May 4th, 2003, 04:39 PM
Sometimes a game will have a bug where you have to cheat to pass a level. I can't think of anything right now but I know there are instances.

I don't like cheating though, I play games to challenge myself. I'm glad I've never cheated in Ghost Recon (haha yian!) or any other Tom Clancy game.

sushi128
May 4th, 2003, 04:50 PM
there should be deterrents from cheating. what my mean is, my friend was playing Deus Ex. we all know after coming out of the subway you're suppose to DIE. well, he didn't die because he had been playing the ENTIRE game with god mode, and he spent an HOUR (yeah, i know...) trying to kill that german agent. ok, that didn't work, he figured, so he spent another TWO HOURS trying to find a way OUT. the entire area is blocked, so you know what he did? he turned off collision detection, bringing him out. he spent the rest of his play time scrambling around the park and castle clinton trying to figure out where the hell he was suppose to go and what he was suppose to do. he even read 3 walkthroughs that never mentioned the death; they just skipped to the next level (cause they assumed you would die). he eventually learned the truth after forgetting to activate god mode, and expecting to get the death screen, he got a loading screen instead. there; they should have this, but about 10 more times in games.

Wolf3D
May 4th, 2003, 06:33 PM
well i hate online cheater, the Single Player cheater ..HMMmmm
well i think they are stupid, buying a game and playing it finish in a few hours in God mode or any other cheat.

when i have a game where i realy stuck, then i go to the Homepage or Fan Page of the game and look for a Walkthrough
and i will only read the place where i stuck, or on the Forum from the game to get some hint.

cr3am
May 4th, 2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Odm
Some people use to cheats just to beat the game (trust me). Others use cheats to have fun... Yian's point was when people start to use cheats just to beat the game, it defeats the purpose of playing it. no it doesn't. if they have more fun by turning off the cheats it doesn't defeat the purpose

if they rid a bit of frustration, it doesn't defeat the purpose

Yian
May 4th, 2003, 09:59 PM
Yo, people, especially cr3am, relax. It is not about wroing or right. I'm angry at the cheaters, and I'm jumping on anyone who ever cheated in any way. I'm being irrational. So it is okay. I'm wrong to say EVERYONE WHO CHEATS ONCE CHEATS ALL THE TIME... but hey, again, I'm right now an angry man...

I need another 11 angry men. Anyone wants to join?

Downfall
May 4th, 2003, 10:23 PM
then you can have a play:)

WhoGivesARatsAss
May 5th, 2003, 12:45 AM
I still didnt read Yians post.. but i would like to make a comment

Cheaters are like fucking whores.. want just the bang for the buck and nothing else..

p.s. did that make sense..

p.p.s. Cheating online sucks donkey balls..

sushi128
May 5th, 2003, 12:47 AM
i'll be an angry man. don't remember there being any asians though...

WhoGivesARatsAss
May 5th, 2003, 12:51 AM
Heck i am always an angry man.. anyways this reminds me of one of my friends.. who got really pissed.. i am talking.. red faced.. fire up ur ass.. kinof pissed.. and i quote him..

You want a piece of me huh!.. huh!.. come here and fuck me!..

from that day i have avoided anger..

cr3am
May 5th, 2003, 08:08 AM
I think this sums it up:

Cheaters Online = Suck Donkey Balls
Cheaters in Single Player = Do What You Want f00!!!

Odm
May 5th, 2003, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by cr3am
no it doesn't. if they have more fun by turning off the cheats it doesn't defeat the purpose

if they rid a bit of frustration, it doesn't defeat the purpose I'm not talking about people who rid themselves of some frustration, I'm talking about people who suck but use cheats just so they can say they've beaten the game. Anyways, I don't care about people who cheat in single player...

RAY16
May 5th, 2003, 10:21 AM
IMO, cheating is fine in single player, as long as you've beat the game already, or to get past a really, really, really, hard part of the game. In multiplayer, its NEVER right, and anybody who cheats in multiplayer should be shot.

wmgreer
May 5th, 2003, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by RAY16
IMO, cheating is fine in single player, as long as you've beat the game already, or to get past a really, really, really, hard part of the game. In multiplayer, its NEVER right, and anybody who cheats in multiplayer should be shot.

I agree.

Rhenna
May 5th, 2003, 11:23 AM
I've often wondered how many people who review games for a living might cheat their way through; just to make a deadline or be sure they've seen everything there is to see. Maybe just a little, maybe sometimes a lot. And then I wonder if that's true, how much can I trust their review?

Do you think that happens?

wmgreer
May 5th, 2003, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Rhenna
I've often wondered how many people who review games for a living might cheat their way through; just to make a deadline or be sure they've seen everything there is to see. Maybe just a little, maybe sometimes a lot. And then I wonder if that's true, how much can I trust their review?

Do you think that happens?

Probably all the time. Think about it. Have you ever played a game all the way through without cheats? It usually takes a long time. Then play the same game using cheats all the way through.
Without cheats: 2-3 weeks
With cheats: 20 minutes-1 hour
(game time depends on the type of game)

If they have a month, maybe not. If a week, probably so.

RADiator
May 5th, 2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by wmgreer
It usually takes a long time. Then play the same game using cheats all the way through.
Without cheats: 2-3 weeks
With cheats: 20 minutes-1 hour That depends on which game you play.

wmgreer
May 5th, 2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by RADiator
That depends on which game you play.

I thought I said that. But you are quite right.

Downfall
May 5th, 2003, 01:49 PM
it took me a while to beat warcraf3 3 withour using cheats....with cheats....10 min

Odm
May 5th, 2003, 02:15 PM
whosyourdaddy:D

Yian
May 5th, 2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by RAY16
IMO, cheating is fine in single player, as long as you've beat the game already...
Yeah, and you won't believe how many people out there sucks all the balls they could but never learn how to aim... These suckers look for cheats before they install the games.

Yian
May 5th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Anyone read an article about a lawer cheated in The Sims Online? His arguement was that he needs to work at day so there is no way he could make more money (simolian or whtever) than those who play the game all the time.

A lawer plays computer game? Wow!!!!:D :D

mR-D
May 5th, 2003, 07:42 PM
I don't know what to say...

I think that both sides of this thread have an equal statement.

I think cheating for the fun of a game is cool, but cheating for passing the the game is un-cool.

I guess if you have the game, then you can decide if you want to cheat or not.




mor3...

aphremen
May 6th, 2003, 02:42 AM
I don't think everyone who reviews games need to cheat.
[H]ardcore gamers don't need to cheat to finish a game in a day or so.

Also, if you are reviewing a game before it hits the shelves, the only way to cheat is to either look themselves (unless it's based on quake 3, ut2k3, etc) and that could be a pain in the arse.

Oh yeah, of course lawyers play games! There's a lawyer on alt.fan.dune, and I know a lawyer who smokes mary-jane.

Yian
May 6th, 2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by mor3
I guess if you have the game, then you can decide if you want to cheat or not.

I guess if I have a gun... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

wmgreer
May 6th, 2003, 02:43 PM
Cheats are ok as a last minute thing...after you have explored every possible option. Has anybody ever played Baldur's Gate 2:Shadows of Amn? Well, if you have, you know the last time you fight Irenicus before you get sent to Hell? I had to start over at least 100 times before I beat him down. That is close to the end of the game. I actually beat that part. Then my computer crashed. (I literally cried. It took me forever to beat that part and when I did, my freaking computer died. If I could I would have thrown the damn thing out the window.) The only reason why I used cheats then was because I had done got so frustrated.

aphremen
May 6th, 2003, 02:59 PM
Oh, that stinks. You need to get a better pc. :P

wmgreer
May 6th, 2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by aphremen
Oh, that stinks. You need to get a better pc. :P

I did. Then I had Windows98, now I have Windows XP.

aphremen
May 6th, 2003, 03:07 PM
Good deal. XP is way more stable. The only time it's ever crashed on me was when my power supply decided to skrew me over.

Kain
May 6th, 2003, 11:01 PM
i have to say that in games i only cheat when
1 ive finished it and want to see some feaky stuff
2 when its become impossible to beat like when your about to win and the game gets a glitch
and 3rd off people who cheat simply for the sake of beating the game well your the one who losses in the end why not save your self some money and just dont buy any more whats the point in playing if theres no chance of loseing.
But i am guilty of cheating in some game to finish it but iv realised that pretty pointless

Kain

ghiop
May 7th, 2003, 11:29 PM
I'll confess that I've cheated on single-player occasionally. The only time I can think was once I beat RTCW, and wanted to screw around... like turning on the 999 snooper ammo and sneaking around the level. I don't think doing that causes me to miss out on the game experience--I've already beaten the game--and I certainly don't take it online.
I guess it comes down to what you bring to the game in the first place. Who knows though... it's only my first night posting on here, so. But yeah, online cheating is some sort of plague. It's why I play bf1942 and not CS. It might be there (is it? I haven't really heard), but its not obvious.