What ACTUALLY sucks about d3

[wangstramedeous]

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[farsimon]

mignons... lol

[RAD]

Does this shit really warrants its own thread? According to the EP assigned to Diablo 3 they have absolutely no intention of changing the theme. So talking, arguing or writing the letters full of nerd wrath is not going to change it. It is how it is now, deal with it. And in case you are unable, look for a substitute, god knows there is no lack of those at this point.

[wangstramedeous]

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[Dark_Swordmaster]

I forgot you exist. Do you?


And it's "cop out", not "co-op". "Co-op" is short for "cooperative", a gametype that is SORELY missing from today's games and which Diablo III will have plenty of.

[Yian]

I was never a fan of the original Diablo series, so the new art direction means nothing to me since Diablo, as a franchise, only started to grab my attention with this new game so I am not attached to any previous art style. But I can understand how people who were addicted to the original wanted improvement, not a complete overhaul. I would be a little sad and enraged too, if IO decided to give 47 some hair in the next Hitman game.

There is one thing Blizzard does annoy me, though, and that would be Starcraft 2. The game looks pretty amazing and I would buy it just to see everything from Starcraft at high resolution graphics. However, in the original, despite of its low-res graphics, everything feels rather detailed. From the screenshots of Starcraft 2, it really looks more like Warcraft 3 in space. The texture feels smooth and streamlined, and a lot of units don't feel like Starcraft... like this new Protoss unit, a trilobye that shoots laser beam. I have never seen any laser beam from Protoss before, not to mention orange laser beams.

So, yeah, Blizzard has changed. World of Warcraft is slowly becoming the only approach Blizzard is ever willing to put out. But in the end, I think if the game plays well and have fun, that's all that matters.

[RAD]

I didn't recall that I was bringing down the so called nerd rage on anyone either.I don't recall saying you were.
As a great man once wrote, assume makes an ass out of you and me.
Am I preventing you from voicing your opinion? No! Shit I agree with it to some degree! I signed that cocking petition. I'm merely saying that the chances they are going to change the art direction now are slim (and alpha it may be, but from what I am reading it is at least 2 years in development (not unlike SC2)). And neither does it matter, because on any shortcomings they will fail to deliver or as such to the assumption of some the community will fill in. So the topic itself (not your thread in particular) is meaningless.

Oh and I despise politics, so I would be the last person to give political advice (nor did I ever).

[wangstramedeous]

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[wangstramedeous]

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[future man]

Appeal to the broadest audience possible.

That's what they're doing, they don't fucking care what you like or why you like it, they're a business that wants to take your money. Sign an online petition.

There's nothing you can do about it and bitching won't accomplish shit.

Take for instance what Bethesda is doing to my favorite IP, ever. They're taking a big cleveland steamer right on its chest, but I'm going to shut the fuck up and play it before I open my mouth, because I know exactly what my opinions count for.

[Lehesu]

I gotta agree with wang here. The best thing you can do to kill a form of media or genre (artistically) is to make it super popular and start getting the corporate types involved. On the other hand, its hard to get the kind of refinement that comopetition (as the media becomes more popular) creates. The trick is getting the refinement while keeping the creative soul of the stuff intact.

[future man]

Wangstramedeous, here are some reasons I'm compelled to believe your a mouth breathing social reject.

The magic and spells and animations so far that have been presented in Diablo look wholesome, clean (albeit the actual visuals are incredible).

Well fuck my ass, spells don't look like abortions! I like my magic to look like a burst under developed placenta full of that sweet sweet fetus goodness.

Seriously, I don't want to see that shit, I like my magic, as RAY16 says to "look like a fireworks show gone wrong" because my uncle never slipped his hand in my diaper.

The surroundings, the monsters, nothing invokes the feeling that this was a world ravaged by the prime evils themselves. There is not feeling of destruction, hatred, evil in the screen shots.

And nothing invoked the feeling that this world was ravaged by the prime evils themselves? Hot god damn, then I might want to spend more than 15 fucking minutes in it before I feel like I have to shit liquid concrete due to the suffocating nature of the god damn atmosphere.

Just because it isn't full of crucified children and anally violated goats strung up as decoration doesn't mean there isn't enough happening to convey a sense of evil, and seriously, it takes place long after that shit happened. I can take a hint when I see creepy glyphs that nasty shit is going on, I don't need them to throw a fucking gallon of blood through my monitor onto me, in fact, I'd prefer they don't.

evil and its mignons.

Seriously? I don't know if that makes me hungry or makes me want to kick you in the ribs.


It isn't a new fucking art style, it's a logical fucking progression from what they've done in the past. Excuse them for not stagnating and churning out some more of the same shit.

And before you say, "BUT LUK AT IT IS JUST LIKE WOW AND ITS MIGNONS"! Shut the fuck up, it isn't, at all. The proportions, color palete and everything vary widely from WoW, so stop fucking playing that card, all of you idiots.

I'm sick and tired of hearing this shit over and over again, and you all reach a new level of sounding like idiots who don't know what the fuck they're talking about every god damn time this comes up. Knock it the fuck off and take your god damn Diablo 3.

[MrBored]

Pfft, Diablo sucked without being all cutesy. Now it sucks doubly hard, but at least this time a ruined IP isn't one that I loved.

I've just thought up a new slogan for Blizzard:

Blizzard - Turning cash piñatas into Viva Piñata

[RAD]

I gotta agree with wang here. The best thing you can do to kill a form of media or genre (artistically) is to make it super popular and start getting the corporate types involved. On the other hand, its hard to get the kind of refinement that comopetition (as the media becomes more popular) creates. The trick is getting the refinement while keeping the creative soul of the stuff intact.The only problem with this type of argument being that the franchise is already popular. Was even before D3 was announced. And the corporate types were already involved even before diablo 3. I have to wholeheartedly agree with future on this. Gaming industry stopped being all about the end user the day it started being an industry.
As for refinement of game design. I doubt that of any company Blizzard would have troubles keeping up with competition.

@future: I know exactly what you want to say about Bethesdas work on F3 and I agree again. I suppose it is what it is now. A post apocalyptic FPS. And as such is not in any accordance to the shape or form a Fallout to begin with.

[Lehesu]

The only problem with this type of argument being that the franchise is already popular. Was even before D3 was announced. And the corporate types were already involved even before diablo 3. I have to wholeheartedly agree with future on this. Gaming industry stopped being all about the end user the day it started being an industry.
As for refinement of game design. I doubt that of any company Blizzard would have troubles keeping up with competition.

@future: I know exactly what you want to say about Bethesdas work on F3 and I agree again. I suppose it is what it is now. A post apocalyptic FPS. And as such is not in any accordance to the shape or form a Fallout to begin with.

Blizzard as a marquee industry is larger now than it was when D2 was released (Wow and such). D3 may end up being less creative than its predecessors because of it.

[wangstramedeous]

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[RAD]

Blizzard as a marquee industry is larger now than it was when D2 was released (Wow and such). D3 may end up being less creative than its predecessors because of it.How so? I think it might be the exact opposite, now that they aren't bound by the monetary question they can experiment with their various IPs (outside WoW) more freely. Obviously now within this old school design path they've chosen.

[Yian]

I think Blizzard is doing exactly that, experimenting. They might not want to be stuck with the Gothic theme forever and they want to make Diablo bigger than ever.

But I think wangstramedeous just wanted to express his remorse for the possibility that the Gothic theme he enjoyed from the old Diablo is now gone. I believe wangstramedeous, who have played the game for a long time, has grown attached to its atmosphere, and naturally he is going to object to something completely new and different.

He said " It looks like an amazing game. It just doesn't look like an amazing Diablo game." And I believe that it is a polite and honest statement. But RAD replied:

Does this shit really warrants its own thread? According to the EP assigned to Diablo 3 they have absolutely no intention of changing the theme. So talking, arguing or writing the letters full of nerd wrath is not going to change it. It is how it is now, deal with it. And in case you are unable, look for a substitute, god knows there is no lack of those at this point.

It sounds like if anyone slightly disagree with Blizzard, it is "shit." I have always thought that ATrip people hate fanboys with a passion, but all of a sudden we have lots of Blizzard fanboys here. With phrases like "It is how it is now, deal with it," it appears Blizzard has become the game God and anyone who disagree must "deal with it."

I remember that back then, when Starcraft was first shown to the public, a lot of people said it looked too much like Warcraft 2 in space. Blizzard responded by creating a completely different and vastly superior graphics style, which became the Starcraft today. If back then Blizzard said they "have absolutely no intention of changing the theme," Starcraft would probably never be what it is today, and that would really suck.

My point is, this thread is not "shit." Sorry to stand by something unpopular this time, but I have to be honest. I don't give a fuck what Diablo 3 is going to become, because I am not attached to the old Gothic style, but I think it is fair if some people do.

[MrBored]

Screw you all for ignoring my Nobel Laureate worthy tag line.

[RAD]

It sounds like if anyone slightly disagree with Blizzard, it is "shit." I have always thought that ATrip people hate fanboys with a passion, but all of a sudden we have lots of Blizzard fanboys here.So hate me with a passion, what's the problem? I remember back in the day when AT was a forum where people were opinionated, stated their beliefs using strong, controversial language such as strong beliefs should be stated. Is this not the case anymore? Did something change the boards into the bile of politically correct dirt that you get by the gallons on any other message boards?
And above all did you even read my follow-up reply?

[Lehesu]

So hate me with a passion, what's the problem? I remember back in the day when AT was a forum where people were opinionated, stated their beliefs using strong, controversial language such as strong beliefs should be stated. Is this not the case anymore? Did something change the boards into the bile of politically correct dirt that you get by the gallons on any other message boards?
And above all did you even read my follow-up reply?

I actually do not understand, fundamentally, why you have a problem with what wang, myself, and yian are saying. We agree that the popularity of the media has caused a shift towards mass appeal. I'm of the opinion that this shift creates games that are not as artistically pleasing as perhaps some of the earlier games, although the actual gameplay will probably be more refined. Am I to understand that, while you believe that the shift towards mass appeal exists, you also do not believe that products are losing any artistic integrity because of it?

In other words, if the gaming industry has "stopped being all about the end user" (a point that I disagree on), how is this a good thing?

[RAD]

I'm getting tired of explaining, so I'm going to summarise my response in bullet points of sorts.

No I don't have a problem with you guys or the opinions presented (read my second post).

Yes I think the industry as a whole is more commercialised than ever before.

No I do not think that Blizzards games are suffering a loss of artistic integrity because due to commercial success of their titles they can at this point allow themselves not to be bound by development restrictions.

[Lehesu]

Thanks, RAD. It is, as I suspected, a matter of taste. Regardless of the factors motivating their design choices for D3, the current incarnation leaves something to be desired for me. Maybe that will change as more information comes out.

[RAD]

Sorry if I came of rough before, but indeed it is always a matter of taste. As the industry sways to capture broader audience the hardcore will inevitably be left out. The face of the industry as a whole is changing dramatically and now with the broader flexibility of the tools involved to actually create the games in question modding will be an appealing option to compensate for the shortcomings and design choices developer houses have to make. Well that and independent (usually small) developers of course.
So the quality is still there, its just not where it used to be.

[Skroggins]

Here's how I look at it, Blizzards new art direction is being in taken as a way of showing they're changing the franchise and in a way, starting new. Kind of reminds me of music....take Metallica for example. Look how they started. Look where they ended. :D Anyways, that's besides the point....

I've yet to hear of any news in how Diablo will actually fit into the game. I've heard no mention that it is you, the player's, mission to reach and destroy Diablo. All I've heard is the Worldstone is cracked and shit's gone downhill. Demons are everywhere. Maybe the end boss will be a completely different demon? Then again, I could be wrong. Although, as a thought, I find it interesting that Tyreal is in quite a bit of banners for the game on websites. Could he possibly be the one that's evil in the end? But hell, I could be wrong. There's still not a lot known.

Anyways. If I'm correct, then that could be why they feel the need to take a new art direction. Or it could easily be as stated and that they're trying to appeal to the masses. Either way, I doubt a change will happen. And as I've enjoyed the previous games, I will deffinately be getting this.

[King Speedy]

Put on a pair of fucking sunglasses when you play the game. God damn people can be a bunch of whiny pricks sometimes.

[Lehesu]

Criticism generally has the added side-affect of allowing industries to understand what a certain segment of the consumer base wants. This allows for games that are more responsive to the consumer. Course, we could all just shut up about every game that was ever created and trust the game developing companies to create good games on their own...

[wangstramedeous]

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[King Speedy]

I wasn't speaking to anyone here directly, just the whole movement that are throwing a fit and making petitions over the shadowing in a game that could be years from release.

[wangstramedeous]

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[future man]

It's still a hilarious waste of time. I'm glad we're getting the Diablo 3 that's presented not some fanboys ridiculous Hot Topic wet dream.

[randomuser83]

Agreed future man. What they have presented seems well thought out. I personally like the direction they seem to be heading and that is more sophistication in there games.