The Matrix Reloaded

[cr3am]

i'm downloading it right now... :p

[RAY16]

Its already on the net?....O_o

[sushi128]

shit, just found it on BT. i think it can wait til morning; it's gonna be seeding for a LONG LONG LONG time :)

and it's just for kicks really. like xmen 2....you really gotta get the theatre experience. those DIVX or SVCD files really don't cut it for a movie like this.

[kneo69]

Sushi, your soooooooooooo right dude! Just got back from it and amn you GOTTA see it in the theatre. Nothing comes close. It is a cinematic masterpiece to behold, for sure!

[RADiator]

Downloading..........

[Chimera[NL]]

So now we have 2 threads with the name The Matrix Reloaded. Nice. btw: With all these people around wanting to have it I think it's better that they call it The Matrix Downloaded but that's just my opinion.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by sushi128
and it's just for kicks really. like xmen 2....you really gotta get the theatre experience. those DIVX or SVCD files really don't cut it for a movie like this. i know, definitely. but see, i didn't get advanced ticks, and the two theaters within range of me are sold out. If i don't see it soon, the whole movie will be ruined. (Hell, i'm sure someone will ruin it today)

[RADiator]

FUCK i still have a 3 hour download to go!!
Originally posted by cr3am
(Hell, i'm sure someone will ruin it today)
BRING IT ON!!!!!

[blind_mad_cow]

Today, the Matrix has oppened, maybe ill be able to get there before its completely sold out.

[RADiator]

http://www.machall.com/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
*edited*
I think it should be specified as a spoiler :D

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RADiator
http://www.machall.com/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

[ReDeeMeR]

I'm waiting for a nice DVD copy, should be here in a month or so hehe :D not sure if I'm going to the theater, the one we have here sucks anyway.

[sushi128]

alright guys, went on **don't post warez sites, etc.** this morning.......clicked on matrix reloaded, saved it to E:, and started seeding. then i cancelled it and shut down the damn thing. i just know i'd be compelled to watch it if the download had completed by the time i got back. gonna see it tomorrow.

come on guys, don't ruin the experience!!!! :D

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

come on guys, don't ruin the experience!!!!

Word. I just got back from the theater. Without ruining it by overhyping it, it will suck on your PC screen, unless your PC is a veritable home theater system.

****Possible spoilers****

Burly Brawl was amazing, Neo swatting Agent Smith's out of the park like A-Rod. And to think that was pure digital, no human actors. Fucking cool.

[future man]

Haha, I got both ESO and FTF versions within 2 hours.....sorry for you torrent users.

[ReDeeMeR]

I aint gonna spoil this with a cheap AVI/MPEG compression :)
Like sushi128 said, dont spoil it with crappy quality all that digital crapola needs sharp video and good audio :)

[OlympusXP]

Man some of you are so cheap. I can't believe you'd actually download it over going to the theatres.. one word..L0s3rZ

[sushi128]

i'll download it cause i want to watch it again and again after seeing it twice in theatres (it should hold me over til the DVD).

and besides, some don't care for the theatre experience. a friend of mine will go to any damn theatre, cause he can't tell crappy sound when he hears it. in his case, a downloaded version will do just fine.

[cr3am]

OMG I JUST SAW IT IN THEATER, OMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG OMFGZ!!!!

[sushi128]

that's all u need to say, cause i'm seein it tomorrow ;)

[Mr.Nerdy]

If one movie were king, it would be Reloaded, it is the best thing my eyes have ever witnessed, no words i could ever use could describe the magnificence of this movie. it brings a tear to my eye. nuff said

[Smapdey]

I can sum up all my thoughts into one pseudo word: Megacrap. Or possibly Stupid. Or the phrase "Economic Shittank" comes to mind.


ECCH!!

[ghiop]

Not a fan?

[Kain]

Hes probable just too much of a crittick to have enjoyed the movie there are people out there who will dislike a movie because somany people loved it i for one cant wait to see it.

[cr3am]

he says that X2 sucked, simply because they didn't follow the comics. Is it true that following a comic book makes a good movie?

[sushi128]

X2's casting was AMAZING to me. every character hit the mark. i liked how they didn't make storm too damn powerful (no flying shit, no instant lightning). I felt Singer did a great job with X2.

as for matrix......tomorrow, oh yes, tomorrow....

[RADiator]

Ok so the video was fake fucking kazaa!!! I guess il just have to wait for the dvd now.

[Smapdey]

X2 was better than the Matrix 2, IMHO. The thing about X2 that bothered me was that Wolverine was a pussy and that Iceman was also a pussy. It pissed me off. Now, what in the hell this has to do with me hating Matrix 2, I have no idea.

I didn't like the second Matrix because of (SPOILERS for those that will actually like this crap):

a. Fighting was pointless. It was repeatative, you could see a guy get hit a million times, and he'd be fine. Worse came to worse, Neo would just fly off.
b. Storyline. Some crappy argument about control?
c. Zion. Just some shitty set? Please note that by shitty, I really do mean shitty.
d. Sex scenes (Neo and Trinity, Cake Lady). Why on earth did they put them in there? I don't want to see Keanu Reeves ass while listening to shitty techno music. Cake Lady was just thrown in there to get attention.
e. Vampires, Werewolves, Ghosts, Etc. These were alright except for the fact that when Neo is fighting them all, they don't use any sort of powers except for the Ghosts. The rest are totally fucking harmless.
f. Physics. I know that they can change shit in the Matrix, but last time I checked, dress shoes didn't have the same amount of traction as a cramp-on, there was a headwind on the top of a truck, and a bullet from a pistol hitting the underside of a car would make it explode, everytime someone had a rock bounce underneath their car, we would have a gigantic mushroom cloud (Another thing that bothered me).
g. There's some real great character development in there! They've really grown on me with the hollow acting and the piss-poor dialog.
h. Niobe was just added in from the Matrix game, otherwise, there's no fucking point to have her in there.
i. Whenever they got into a philosophical discussion (and there were a lot of them), one sides argument was just dumb and the other side would start saying "bullshit, BULLSHIT!" over and over and over.

Now, if I didn't have stuff to do, I would continue this list, but I'm afraid it will have to wait.

[future man]

Originally posted by RADiator
Ok so the video was fake fucking kazaa!!! I guess il just have to wait for the dvd now.
Of course it was, KaZaa is a shit pool of fake files and shitty shit pesices of shit, use IRC dude, or bittorrent.

[cr3am]

**SPOILERS** probably from this post on


Originally posted by Smapdey
X2 was better than the Matrix 2, IMHO. The thing about X2 that bothered me was that Wolverine was a pussy and that Iceman was also a pussy. It pissed me off. Now, what in the hell this has to do with me hating Matrix 2, I have no idea. again, with the bad reasons to dislike a movie. It was to discredit your movie critique.

a. Fighting was pointless. It was repeatative, you could see a guy get hit a million times, and he'd be fine. Worse came to worse, Neo would just fly off. wtf? you're talking about "The One" and a program, it's not your average, every day guy. Remember when Niobe attacked the Electrical building? She knocked out the normal people in two hits.

b. Storyline. Some crappy argument about control? WTF? that wasn't the storyline! what are you talking about? That was making a point that nobody really has control, the government and other shit does. That wasn't the story...

c. Zion. Just some shitty set? Please note that by shitty, I really do mean shitty. it was a cave. Do you remember the outside, with all the scrap metal? That was pretty ugly too, the point is, that's what they were stuck with.

d. Sex scenes (Neo and Trinity, Cake Lady). Why on earth did they put them in there? I don't want to see Keanu Reeves ass while listening to shitty techno music. Cake Lady was just thrown in there to get attention. i agree about keanu reeves ass.... cake lady?

e. Vampires, Werewolves, Ghosts, Etc. These were alright except for the fact that when Neo is fighting them all, they don't use any sort of powers except for the Ghosts. The rest are totally fucking harmless. ROFL, the only vampires and shit that anyone fought were the twins :rolleyes:

f. Physics. I know that they can change shit in the Matrix, but last time I checked, dress shoes didn't have the same amount of traction as a cramp-on, there was a headwind on the top of a truck, and a bullet from a pistol hitting the underside of a car would make it explode, everytime someone had a rock bounce underneath their car, we would have a gigantic mushroom cloud (Another thing that bothered me). i know you're exagerating, but i only saw one car explode :rolleyes: And the others would ramp up on something and flip, not something small dude. I'll watch that scene again just to check.

g. There's some real great character development in there! They've really grown on me with the hollow acting and the piss-poor dialog. If you didn't like the first one, don't see the second.

h. Niobe was just added in from the Matrix game, otherwise, there's no fucking point to have her in there. ROFL DUMBASS!!!!! the game is everything they couldn't put into the movie... ROFL, like they would REALLY put in a character JUST because they were in the game...

i. Whenever they got into a philosophical discussion (and there were a lot of them), one sides argument was just dumb and the other side would start saying "bullshit, BULLSHIT!" over and over and over. name me one scene so i can go watch it, please.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by cr3am

i agree about keanu reeves ass.... cake lady?

Cake Lady was the hot chick in white in the fancy restaurant where Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity first met Merovingian, Persephone, and the Ghosts. She ate a peice of chocolate cake made by Merovingian that gave her an orgasm.

Originally posted by cr3am
ROFL, the only vampires and shit that anyone fought were the twins :rolleyes:

Also the two werewolves guarding the Keymaker, one of which Persephone killed with a silver bullet.

Originally posted by cr3am
i know you're exagerating, but i only saw one car explode :

The car exploded b/c Morpheus emptied a clip into its gas tank. That's not physics, that's just simple reasoning.

Smapdey is just being an ornery contrarian. It may have had a few minor flaws (yes the wind resistance on top of the truck was one), but otherwise it was excellent.

[Odm]

Originally posted by Smapdey
f. Physics. I know that they can change shit in the Matrix, but last time I checked, dress shoes didn't have the same amount of traction as a cramp-on, there was a headwind on the top of a truck, and a bullet from a pistol hitting the underside of a car would make it explode, everytime someone had a rock bounce underneath their car, we would have a gigantic mushroom cloud
Since when does leaping across rooftops possible? It's about as likely as jumping from a truck. The point is that it's fantastic (not as in great), and impossible under NORMAL conditions. And bear in mind, explosions are ALWAYS over-dramatised in Hollywood films.

[ReDeeMeR]

How's Monical Belucci??? Man she's hot.

[ReDeeMeR]

Why you fucktards are dissin Smapdey if he doesnt like teh Matrix, lets face it without the damn effects that movie is nothing, notta, zero, crapola.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
Why you fucktards are dissin Smapdey if he doesnt like teh Matrix, lets face it without the damn effects that movie is nothing, notta, zero, crapola.

Redeemer wins the award for person with true vision.

As to respond to your points (not in any order):

A. What the fuck does Niobe even have to do with the movie?

B. I didn't like the first one, but a good friend wanted to go see it so I went with him.

C. The "BULLSHIT" Philosophy scenes:
The one where Neo enters the glowing door and meets the Arcitect.
The Merovingian Discussion (Probably at least one bullshit or two in there)

D. There's no way that Escalade would have exploded like that. Never, not in a million fucking years.

E. Did you not get the silver bullet reference? The sword fight people are implied to be the same way.

F. Zion looked fake as fuck. Really. You could tell when it was blue screen (I.E. All the god damn time)

G. What was the storyline? I have yet to really see one.

H. Combat didn't lead to anything?! It never came to any resolution, just a stupid stalemate.

More to come, but my woman wants me.

[sushi128]

lol, i certainly wouldn't watch this movie hoping for plot. heard it was a love story more than anything else. The first will surely be deemed more innovative, but hell, i wanna see neo kick some ass with that pole.

this movie doesn't need to be argued about; we should be watching it for the same reason, and that's special effects. i'm sure only a small percentage of the population cared about the movie's relevance to the present, but the slow motion bullet dodging must have over shadowed that.

[Jaredster]

Originally posted by cr3am
i'm downloading it right now... :p


sigh...cr3am i must admit that pretty lame. You can still get advance tickets right now, www.movietickets.com foo.

[sushi128]

he watched it in theatres. dvd isn't comin out for months; i've got it downloaded, and after seeing it tonight in theatres, i'll probably see it again tomorrow, then watch the good parts over and over again on my downloaded SVCD.

what's lame again?

[Jaredster]

nvm that, if you use www.movietickets.com you can see it today (most likely)

i was used it at like 2:00 pm yesterday and got to see it at 4:30 pm yesterday.

[sushi128]

i used fandango. got tickets for tonight at 10:00. a friend of mine told me to stay after the credits for a Revolutions preview. gonna be a long night....

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Redeemer wins the award for person with true vision.


Is that the same thing as the Obvious Award?

A. What the fuck does Niobe even have to do with the movie?

Play the videogame to find out. That's what it's for.

C. The "BULLSHIT" Philosophy scenes:
The one where Neo enters the glowing door and meets the Arcitect.
The Merovingian Discussion (Probably at least one bullshit or two in there)

How exactly are they bullshit? Because they talk about philosophy?

D. There's no way that Escalade would have exploded like that. Never, not in a million fucking years.

That explosion was probably exaggerated, but not necessarily. Escalades are big trucks with big gas tanks. If a bullet caused a spark while penetrating the metal shell of the gas tank, there just might have been enough gas in that truck to make it explode like that. However, until I hear from an automotive engineer on that, I'll remain skeptical too.

The sword fight people are implied to be the same way

You mean the Twins, that Morpheus fights with the sword? I don't think the Twins are implied to be werewolves, I think they're implied to be ghosts.

F. Zion looked fake as fuck. Really. You could tell when it was blue screen (I.E. All the god damn time)

And what's wrong with that? Do you honestly require them to build such a set in real life before you're satisfied with it? They did a great job of showing a complex, painstakingly constructed underground city. It really showed what the humans had to lose if Zion was destroyed.

G. What was the storyline? I have yet to really see one.

Simple. The machines discovered the location of Zion and are sending an army of sentinels to obliterate it. Meanwhile a debate rages amongst the humans as to their best defense - fight the machines in battle in the real world, or send Neo into the Matrix on a desperate mission to stop them. It's very reminiscent of the plot of Lord of the Rings - fight the overwhelming forces of Sauron on the battlefield, or send Frodo on a desperate mission into Mordor to destroy the Ring.

H. Combat didn't lead to anything?! It never came to any resolution, just a stupid stalemate.

Considering that previously the machines always won in combat, I'd say a stalemate is quite an achievement. Further, it wasn't really a stalemate. Though the humans never actually destroyed any agents or ghosts, the fighting allowed them to accomplish their missions, namely, rescuing the Keymaker and getting Neo to the Core. In that respect, the humans actually won the fights.

[Smapdey]

If I were you I would either rewatch the movie or read my first rant.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
If I were you I would either rewatch the movie or read my first rant. BAHAHAH SMAPDEY GOT OWNED!!!!

and when's the last time you didn't see a car explosion be TOO big in a movie?

[ghiop]

Well, I just got back from watching it. While I'm not at Smapdey's level of antipathy, it just didn't seem as good as I'd hoped. I'd have to agree with a lot of the points made though... For one thing, a lot of the philosophy was bull, because everyone was saying the same damn thing--"there is no choice, just cause and effect"--and while that's certainly an interesting take on things, they reword it how many times? Merovingian (or however that's spelled) says it, the Architect says it, and I think they throw it in there a few more times. And what the hell happened to Niobe? All of a sudden she's gone and some other ship has escaped the fighting? It just seemed like they spent half the movie setting up the car chase and Burly brawl scenes, and then the other half setting up the next movie. Which is all well and good, except it makes the movie rely more on action and special effects than the last one. Who knows, though. I thought Jon Stewart summed it up well, though. I can't remember the wording, but he said that the Matrix was Tron for a new generation. :)

[cr3am]

i think ALMOST everyone who didn't like it went in expecting it to be the most amazing thing ever, with really great graphics. whenever you think to highly of a movie before you see it, you like it a lot less than if you thought it would suck.

[JerraMaya]

i have seen it on big screen , i even bought its VCD it had cost me $3 and i will wait for the DVD version and buy that 2 coz it will cost me $6 so i dont need to download it :D

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by cr3am
i think ALMOST everyone who didn't like it went in expecting it to be the most amazing thing ever, with really great graphics. whenever you think to highly of a movie before you see it, you like it a lot less than if you thought it would suck.

That's the impression I get too. Not just from AT, but from Slashdot and a few other forums too.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by cr3am
BAHAHAH SMAPDEY GOT OWNED!!!!

and when's the last time you didn't see a car explosion be TOO big in a movie?

I didn't get owned, he just brought up a lot of things I had already addressed or parts of the movie that he missed.

And no exploding car looks like that. Not even the pinto blew up that big.

[future man]

Sucked.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by Smapdey
I didn't get owned, he just brought up a lot of things I had already addressed or parts of the movie that he missed.

And no exploding car looks like that. Not even the pinto blew up that big.
an el pinto isn't an Escalade is it?

[ghiop]

Not to be quibbling, but wouldn't the explosion from an Escalade be fairly equivalent to a Pinto? I mean, one has a larger gas tank, true, but it has a lot more metal and other car things to tear through. Like, a firecracker in a cardboard box versus TNT in a titanium box. So, maybe there should have been more shrapnel and debris, but not that kind of explosion. At least that's the way it seems to me.

[future man]

It would of have to been carrying missles or somthing to explode like that.

[Smapdey]

Yeah, shit, that thing would need some serious ammo to blow up that big. There's simply no way the Escalade would explode like that, the gas tank isn't that big, it's only 26 gallons. Even assuming that the car had a full tank after all that chasing, I highly doubt it would have exploded like that.

Besides, if everytime an object struck the gas tank (if it is located where it is in the movie for it to be struck like that) at a high rate of speed there would be a massive explosion. Take for example a rock falling off of a truck and bouncing off of the ground and into the tank of a following Escalade with both traveling at a high rate of speed, there would literally be hundreds of deaths, not to mention other cars with similar gas tanks. There's simply no way that it could ever happen.

[ghiop]

Maybe the part they didn't show was the Tomahawk missile hitting the thing at the same time. :)

[Smapdey]

Well, Editing can ruin a movie.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Yeah, shit, that thing would need some serious ammo to blow up that big. There's simply no way the Escalade would explode like that, the gas tank isn't that big, it's only 26 gallons. Even assuming that the car had a full tank after all that chasing, I highly doubt it would have exploded like that. OMG! i just saw swordfish, an SUV ran into a wall and blew up from behind. IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE!

even so, it's in the matrix. you're living in a world of rules, when they have thrown out all of theirs.

[Smapdey]

They still have to live by the rules, or at least some of them. They can't simply be without them otherwise the system would collapse.

[aphremen]

And one of those rules is to have lots of cool explosions. At any rate, when shit blows up in the matrix, the system seems not able to handle it exactly at in the real world. Not to mention collision detection. remember when the helicopter crashed into the building? Or when the power plant blew up?

[Smapdey]

Well, I guess it proves that I'm a real human being in the real world.

"Now what exactly is real?"

Fuck you.

[blind_mad_cow]

well, i saw the movie Thursday, was to busy friday to post anything, saturday i had a senior trip(5 hour one way to get to destination) and sunday i slept til 1PM and then went to a band concert(which i had to play in) and then i went hunting. I would have rubbed the matrix in ur faces earlier :D , but as you can see, i was quite busy.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by aphremen
At any rate, when shit blows up in the matrix, the system seems not able to handle it exactly at in the real world. Not to mention collision detection. remember when the helicopter crashed into the building? Or when the power plant blew up?

Or when the two semi's collided head-on? There is always a strange ripple effect that occurs on collision. It could be the Matrix simulating the shock-wave, but the results of that shockwave (windows shattering, etc.) seem to lag behind. Wonder what the explanation for that is...

[Smapdey]

They had some cash left over in the special effects budget and wanted to distract people even more from the lack of a decent story or dialog.

[future man]

Just to let you guys know, Escalades are made with plastic gas tanks, never would of happened unless he was using tracers, which he obviously wasn't.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by future man
Just to let you guys know, Escalades are made with plastic gas tanks, never would of happened unless he was using tracers, which he obviously wasn't. er uh... maybe he hit the gas tank, it leaked gas, and another bullet hit the underside of the car and caused a spark?

but guys, seriously, The Matrix wasn't the movie to see if you wanted realism...

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by cr3am
The Matrix wasn't the movie to see if you wanted realism...
good point

[Shadow]

Originally posted by |)U(|(0F|)3@TH
Or when the two semi's collided head-on? There is always a strange ripple effect that occurs on collision. It could be the Matrix simulating the shock-wave, but the results of that shockwave (windows shattering, etc.) seem to lag behind. Wonder what the explanation for that is...

From the deduction that the Matrix is a simulation, lag HAS to happen, ie 10-15 ms. :D

[future man]

Originally posted by cr3am
but guys, seriously, The Matrix wasn't the movie to see if you wanted realism...
Or a good movie.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by future man
Or a good movie. oh, good argument! :rolleyes:

[Kain]

Doesnt any one here go to the movies to enjoy it?
Or is every one here a professional Crittick?.

[aphremen]

You know, I find it interesting that I am the only movie goer who noticed that Lawrence Fishburn's character used a katana to slice into the side of the SUV causing it to leak gas? If it was in smell-o-vision I be you would have noticed.

And you would have noticed when the program with the cheesy french accent farts. Yeah, right after he drank the wine he squeezed out a silent but deadly. He was just babbling on to keep them in the room and smell his stinky ass fart.

At any rate, the escalade, like all escalades, was loaded with C4 in order to compensate for the lack of faulty exploding firestone tires. And I still think that the Matrix has some lag, Neo and the gang can do what they do because they are all a bunch of LPB, everyone else has higher ping rates with exception to bots like the agents, the smiths, etc which is why they can do the same sort of thing (with exception to stuff that exceeds thier programming).

[future man]

Originally posted by cr3am
oh, good argument! :rolleyes:

This was an opinion not an argument, but thanks for trying so hard cr3am. We all know it's a challenge for you.

[cr3am]

LOL, you only have one diss

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by Smapdey
They had some cash left over in the special effects budget and wanted to distract people even more from the lack of a decent story or dialog.

It was in the first movie too, and I don't hear you complaining about the story or dialog in that one.

The Wachowskis are very detail oriented, I'm sure they have a reason for it.

[ghiop]

I think the reason less people are complaining about Matrix I versus Matrix II is that Matrix I was a better movie. I'm trying to be objective with that, but hey, maybe it's just the way I feel. For the most part, though, I think pretty highly of Matrix I and thus am willing to let little niggling issues fall to the wayside because it's a sweet, sweet film. Matrix II has more holes, to the point where it is impossible to completely overlook them. And I think Smapdey was saying (and if he was, then I agree) that the Wachowskis knew that and made it a flashier film to try to cover that up, so people would leave the theater thinking "Wow, that was a kickass highway scene," instead of "Damn, that film tried too hard to be philosophical."

And in response to Kain, maybe the problem was, as I think someone said, that people came expecting to enjoy the movie. Maybe too much. I, at least, went in having seen the trailer and having seen Matrix I and being pretty excited, and I was thus let down. It's like if Episode I had been the first film, instead of A New Hope. People would think a lot more highly of it, I think.

That's not to say that the Matrix II is a bad film, cause I still think it's a pretty good one. Just not the best.

[future man]

"Diss" what? I said it was an opinion, which in fact it is.

[Kain]

Cr3am... future man, can we try to stay on topic?

[future man]

I was, I said I didn't like it. I was trying to, sorry if I veered off a little.

[Kain]

didnt mean to stomp on your toes its just this is a good topic and its a little annoying when its filled with with junk thats got no relation to the topic.

Me personally i havent seen it yet and hope im nt too disappointed with it like so many other Sequels have done in the past.......

[Downfall]

I have yet to see it.....i am hoping to go some time this week. Either way i will probably like it........i dont need an in depth plot all the time and i wasnt reeally expecting to much of one from it.

[aphremen]

Yeah, matrix 1 had much more emotional involvement, and whatnot. I still like Dark City better than Matrix though. The atmosphere, the characters, the ending fight scene...too cool!

[Hitman]

I finally took the time and saw it yesterday and I loved it, the movie carried on with the tradional Matrix style and that was the best part of it, the number one reason for sequals and prequals not making it usually is because they deviate to much from the original show/movie concept, many props to the makers of this movie for keeping focus and returning the viewers to the world of the Matrix.. some advice for the whiners, if you didn't like part one or two then please don't go see part 3 and then bitch about it, that just makes no sense.

I don't know why some people are complaining about gas tank explosions and technobabble and what not.. since when was the Matrix anywhere near realistic, did you really not see part one, I mean come on a Neo flew and dodged bullets.. umm not realistic.
Another thing is why must there be an explanation for every effect, like the ripple effect when Neo was flying through the city? Sometimes movies are just meant to be enjoyed and this was one of them, people need to realise that when they go into movies with expectations and comparisions that they only ruin the movie for themselves.. for every one person that hates the Matrix movies there is a hundred people that likes the flicks, like it or not the Matrix is a hot franchise and that's that.. so the moto of my story is, don't watch shit you don't like, and if you do don't bitch about it because no-one like people who complain.


Looks for pacifiers, who's first?

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Hitman
Sometimes movies are just meant to be enjoyed and this was one of them, people need to realise that when they go into movies with expectations and comparisions that they only ruin the movie for themselves.. i used to go into movies and analyze everything... "Why didn't he just do *something*, it would have been so much easier"
the response is almost always "It would have been boring."

[Hitman]

:SPOILER AHEAD:

Agreed... There is something i'm wondering about, will Neo have to fight the Oracle's guardian at some point, will the Oracle eventually try to take over control of the Matrix? She seems like she has something up her digital sleeves.

How many people sat through the ending credits to see the preview for Matrix Revolutions?

Ok one thing is bugging me... how the hell did Neo do that emp thing to stop the Sentinels in the real world, and what did he mean when he said "something has changed" right before he did it? It would be funny if what they thought was the real world was actually another Matrix like program being controlled by the Oracle or something similiar.

[BIGGI]

I saw it last night, and I to thought the same. What if there is another matrix? Gah...what the movie is so good :p

[ghiop]

Originally posted by Hitman
some advice for the whiners, if you didn't like part one or two then please don't go see part 3 and then bitch about it, that just makes no sense.


I don't know if you're familiar with Fredrick Jackson Turner or not, but he was a man who wrote one really good book (about the US west being a safety valve for overpopulation in the east) and couldn't match that book ever again. He realized this, and stopped writing after a point. Would it be justifiable for someone who subscribed to Turner's ideas to not read any of the other books, knowing they might be worse?
Or Joseph Heller, who wrote Catch-22 and hasn't written anything on par with that since? And yet I read his other books.

I think the point I'm trying to make here is that it equally makes no sense for someone to abandon all hope after one good, but not perfect, film and never see any others. I liked Matrix II, I think most people did. And so we're going to see Matrix III. And if there's some nagging problem, then why shouldn't we bring that up?
But I'm thinking, rereading your post, that much of what you said wasn't meant for me, or most of the other people talking about the movie in less than worshipful tones. I liked the film. It was worth my money. So yay for the Wachowskis. I just think they could have done better, and I have no problem saying so.

[blind_mad_cow]

Bottom line for me is that the movie was good, i will buy the set once that comes out (along w/the LOTR set) and i wil enjoy them time and time again...the Matrix ll left alot of questions of mine unanswered so that is what is taking me back to see Pt. 3 i can hardly wait. i dont expect to see the best movie ive ever experienced when i do see it, but if it does blow me away that will only be a plus to my side. Anyone who goes to see an encore of another movie will more than likely be dissapointed because thier thoughts of the "perfect movie" is/will always change(ing). I kinda jabbered off so im just going to stop now.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by Hitman
How many people sat through the ending credits to see the preview for Matrix Revolutions?


I did, and I've been trying to figure out something from that trailer. Obviously, there is a showdown between Neo and Smith. You hear the Oracle's voice saying to Neo, "You are the only one who stands in his way. If you do not stop him tonight, I fear there will be no tomorrow." Combine that with the Oracle's admonition in Reloaded that all powerful men want is more power, and it makes me believe that the renegade program Smith wants to take over the Matrix, and perhaps all the machines, for himself, and that only Neo can prevent him. An ironic twist of fate if true - the machines dependent upon Neo to save them from one of their own? The question is, how do Neo and the humans stop the sentinel army from destroying Zion?

[cr3am]

Originally posted by |)U(|(0F|)3@TH
all powerful men want is more power and sex

[blind_mad_cow]

Originally posted by |)U(|(0F|)3@TH
The question is, how do Neo and the humans stop the sentinel army from destroying Zion?
I thought they already destroyed Zion...:confused:

[cr3am]

Originally posted by blind_mad_cow
I thought they already destroyed Zion...:confused: LOL, yes they did

[sushi128]

5 times over?

[Smapdey]

Well, Zion is like a weed, and if they don't get the roots, it will rebuild.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by blind_mad_cow
I thought they already destroyed Zion...:confused:

There seems to be some confusion on this. No they didn't, at least this time. Neo distinctly says at the end of Reloaded that they have 24 hours before the sentinel army reaches Zion. What may be confusing some is that the humans attempted to ambush the sentinels before they reached Zion, but a human traitor (Bane with Agent Smith downloaded inside his head) sabotaged the ambush. Bane set off one of the hovercraft EMP's prematurely, which disabled the hovercrafts as they were positioning themselves to ambush the sentinels. When the sentinels reached the ambush point, they found the hovercrafts disabled and defenseless - hence it was a "slaughter". After that short battle, the sentinels continued digging for Zion, but they haven't reached it yet.

Of course, according to the Architect, Zion has been destroyed five times already, and is merely a tool the machines use to control the 1% of humans whose minds naturally reject the Matrix. Whereas Neo's five predecessor The Ones all sold out, so to speak, and chose to preserve both humanity and the Matrix's control over it, Neo rejected that choice and chose to continue fighting the machines even if it meant the end of the human race - all for the love of a woman. I am anxious to see how he overcomes this self-inflicted mess in Revolutions.

[RADiator]

Ok I’ve just seen IT. And only two words come to mind that suit this movie the most: spectacular crap. Now don’t get me wrong I had no problem with understanding the plot nor I had no questions to the beautiful graphics. But all that ambience of the original movie all that anticipation of the “world wide phenomena” just wasn’t the case here.

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by RADiator
Ok I’ve just seen IT. And only two words come to mind that suit this movie the most: spectacular crap. Now don’t get me wrong I had no problem with understanding the plot nor I had no questions to the beautiful graphics. But all that ambience of the original movie all that anticipation of the “world wide phenomena” just wasn’t the case here.


Told ya.

[Hitman]

Eureka.. The only explanation for Neo using the emp in the real world is that since his mind is so active in the Matrix that he somehow can use more of his brain now and not just 10%, therefore allowing the emp thing since no-one really know what we could do with 100% of our brain functioning?

See there is a good side to drinking, you think more.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by Hitman
Eureka.. The only explanation for Neo using the emp in the real world is that since his mind is so active in the Matrix that he somehow can use more of his brain now and not just 10%, therefore allowing the emp thing since no-one really know what we could do with 100% of our brain functioning?

See there is a good side to drinking, you think more. There is alot of good sides in drinking :) but lets wait for Revolutions and than form our opinion.

[aphremen]

Well, like Matt from Machall said: "The first movie posed the question 'What is the nature of reality?' The question for this movie is, 'Do French people ever stop talking?'"

I completely agree with that. Mr. french program should have been deleted, he probably takes up lots of space with all those "Talking your ear off" subroutines.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

I liked the French guy. He was an amusing villain, and not so tough as he let on. I loved seeing him whine to Persophone after trying to act like a badass in the restuarant. The question is, do the French like him?

Originally posted by Hitman
Eureka.. The only explanation for Neo using the emp in the real world is that since his mind is so active in the Matrix that he somehow can use more of his brain now and not just 10%, therefore allowing the emp thing since no-one really know what we could do with 100% of our brain functioning?

That's my guess too.

[sushi128]

i thought the whole point was that they were still in "the matrix" and when they're plugged in, they're actually in a "matrix" within a "matrix"? the architect made a comment about having destroyed Zion 5 times (no doubt rebuilding the matrix each time, like the choice he gace Neo), and the Merovingian also made a comment about having survived through 5 "ones".

whatever, i'll wait for revolutions.

[cr3am]

I have two theories:
1. The "real world" is a matrix
2. Neo is connected to the matrix so powerfully, that even when he's not plugged, he can still control shit in the matrix. So obviously the sentinels are controled from some program, and he stopped 'em.

[blind_mad_cow]

11/12/01 The release date for The Matrix 3

waiting...waiting...almost here!...waiting...wai...waiting...almos...almost here....waiting...waiting...almost here...almo.

[RAY16]

Looks like maddox doesn't like it.


Even if you disagree with everything bad I've said about this movie, there's one point I think everyone can agree on: Keanu Reeve's ass does not need to be seen, ever. Not only do they show you his pasty white ass, they do it in the most contemptible way possible: right after a titty scene. They try to trick you into popping a boner, then WHAM. Keanu's corn hole. There's an acceptable degree to how many times his ass can be shown in a movie, and that degree is either 0, or negative (negative means that Keanu Reeves' ass gets cut off, which would rule).



Full thing: http://maddox.xmission.com/matrix2.html

[ReDeeMeR]

Who the hell is maddox? And who gives a rats ass if he doesnt like it, I saw he would rather play on gameboy then watch matrix2, it was enough for me to picture his intelectual level.

Yeah Matrix story is bull and all, but it's not boring and who the fuck is playing on gameboy but kids???

[sushi128]

hey, i fuckin play game boy :) i pity those who play mediocre games on their damn cell phones.

anyway, i don't think the story is bull. just cause everyone isn't blown away by this movie doesn't make it a bad one (they're comparing it to the first one, i expect).

now, star wars, that's just a result of horrible acting (salvaged both times by obi).

[RAY16]

I don't agree with anything he said, except for the part about Keanu's ass. I do agree with that.

[ReDeeMeR]

Bah, how can you face the mirror in the morning after playing gameboy? :)

Well I still havent seen it, waiting for that perfect DVD copy, but I'm sure I'll be "blown" away by effects and shady plot :)

PS: why the fuck did they put keanus ass in there??? omg, from what I read there's gonna be some hardocre sex with some hot chick and then male asses all over grrrr

[Hitman]

"1. The "real world" is a matrix"

Agreed.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Whoever Maddox is, he's right about Keanu's ass. That scene actually pissed me off when I saw it. I was like, goddamit they got the camera angle reversed, it needs to be from other side! Now, Trinity's ass would have been quite nice.

As for whether Zion is real or another layer of the Matrix, that depends on whether the Architect was telling Neo the truth or not. The Architect basically explains that Matrix cannot control all of humanity, only 99% of it. 1% will always reject the Matrix, and of that 1% eventually will be born The One. Architect says that Zion is a real world part of the machines' plan to control the 1% the Matrix can't control. If the Architect was telling Neo the truth, Zion is real.

Of course, there is other evidence that Zion is real. In The Matrix, we learn that Neo has the ability to sense the unreality of the Matrix even before he is unplugged. If Zion is another Matrix, why can't Neo sense it?

[cr3am]

That guy is a dumbass. He said he would say things that the brother's could have done better. He proceeded to say he should have brought his gameboy and told himself not to see the movie.

[SaintDL]

so let me conclude matrix reloaded is a fuck unless the revolution is out. too many mysteries, tooo many ???, too many animation involved in fighting. which contradicts why they wanted to put kungfu in the movie in the first place(and why they let the actors go through the kungfu training, what a waste of money. they should have used animation right from the start)

[Hitman]

Animation... that would have been to much animation, then it would really be fake.. to tell the truth the only real part where you notice the cg was the court yard fight after the fatty and her golden child bodyguard left.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

I don't see how everybody can tell the Burly Brawl was fake. I went into the movie knowing it was fake, after having read that Wired mag article, and I couldn't tell. Obviously some of the kung-fu moves were impossible in real life, as were the hundreds of Smiths. But Neo, the Smiths, and the background all looked to me just like they would have had that scene been filmed normally. Just what aspects of that scene made it look fake to everyone?

[blind_mad_cow]

the only thing i could see fake in that were ultimately the moves...the "smiths" looked like a bunch of doubles to me...but hey, what do i know.

[Hitman]

Most people obviously know it's fake but just like to nag at it for no apparent reason.

[Kain]

hey i love it how Mr Smith has become a virus "ME me me me me"...."Me too"
the way my brother put it the scene "Neo vs The Smiths", was like an old retro beat em up my favourite scene.... but was it me or did it sem the Agents where alot weaker in this one?
I can hardly wait for the third.
oh and the way i see it in the movie the "Real world is another matrix thats what the prophecy is about so it should be an intersting ending?

Oh and what was that french guy? a rogue program, a person who has hacked into the matrix or just some one who knows all about the matrix but chose to remain?

[cr3am]

iono, there's something about me and graphics. When i can look at a shot and say in a second "that's cg" i don't like it. It doesn't affect the movie, but that scene will be frustrating to me, unless they mix the cg well (like in Blade with the dust vampire guys).

In the first Matrix, i don't remember any time the actual people were CG, and it just pisses me off they didn't do it for reloaded

[Hitman]

I don't think they were weaker, it's just that Neo and his team were better prepared.. plus if you remember the Agents had "upgrades".

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Pretty nice movie.. just one thing i wanna confirm..

SPOILER ALERT

so they destroyed the Zion and everyone is fucking dead and the only living thing left was the fuck shit agent smith clone that is now in the shape of a human body and neo is in a comma.. and also that there were 5 other neos before this neo but this one has love in him and hence he chose to go after trinity..

and one more thing i wanna confirm.. that why the fuck does he keep on destroying the zion.. also monica bellucci has nice tits.. man i love that bitch.. italian.. ooo yeah!.. and also does trinity show her nipples or is it just those fucking holes.. i cant tell either..

END OF SPOILER

come one i need an answer already!

[aphremen]

I thought of the possibility that the real world is a matrix, but after seeing the preview of revolutions at the end, it doesn't seem like it. More likely he can still connect with the matrix even when he isn't connected. He has bluetooth or wi-fi.

The main reason why the real world wouldn't be just another matrix is that people are just too stupid. I overheard people watching this movie who STILL didn't know what the matrix is. Probably the same people watching x-men who wondered why that guy from conspiracy theory can read minds.

A great sci-fi twist ending for the last movie would be some hint that the real world isn't real. I'm not asking for them to say to the viewers "DUDE, IT ISN'T REAL!" just something where you would think that it is all a matrix within a matrix.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
Pretty nice movie.. just one thing i wanna confirm..

SPOILER ALERT

so they destroyed the Zion and everyone is fucking dead and the only living thing left was the fuck shit agent smith clone that is now in the shape of a human body and neo is in a comma.. and also that there were 5 other neos before this neo but this one has love in him and hence he chose to go after trinity..

and one more thing i wanna confirm.. that why the fuck does he keep on destroying the zion.. also monica bellucci has nice tits.. man i love that bitch.. italian.. ooo yeah!.. and also does trinity show her nipples or is it just those fucking holes.. i cant tell either..

END OF SPOILER

come one i need an answer already! I think that neo acts as a information carrier...he must bring the information he obtained from people and the matrix to the core...so matrix can be reloaded or something like this.

[MrShit]

The Architect states why they keep destroying Zion. The reason is the Matrix isn't perfect, some people still reject the programming, so Zion was made as a place where "free" humans, who rejected the programming, could live. Then, when the population gets to big, or whatever, they destroy it and allow 24 people ( 23 + "the one"? ) to go back and start rebuilding it. Whats wierd is "the one" or neo, always looks the same, they must be cloning a body for him, and then programming his mind.

Also, I think the French guy is a rogue program with some kind of low level write access.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by MrShit
The Architect states why they keep destroying Zion. The reason is the Matrix isn't perfect, some people still reject the programming, so Zion was made as a place where "free" humans, who rejected the programming, could live. Then, when the population gets to big, or whatever, they destroy it and allow 24 people ( 23 + "the one"? ) to go back and start rebuilding it. Whats wierd is "the one" or neo, always looks the same, they must be cloning a body for him, and then programming his mind. EXACTLY!!

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

so neo isnt human.. but a program!.. now u have really confused me.. and i thought i understood everything.. btw none of u like the italian bitch!..

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by MrShit
Whats wierd is "the one" or neo, always looks the same, they must be cloning a body for him, and then programming his mind.

Why do you say that? I came to the conclusion that The Ones were all different.

Also, I think the French guy is a rogue program with some kind of low level write access.

He may also have been a previous The One, who after choosing the 23 and returning to the Source, now just sits around eating at nice restaurants and fucking hot chicks.

[unskinnybob]

Monnica Belluci is a hot bitch. I made a monicca-mask for my girlfriend to wear around the house. lol.

[MrShit]

Why do you say that? I came to the conclusion that The Ones were all different.

Cause of all the TV screens in the room, when Neo was about to answer the Architect would show all the previous "ones" answers and they all looked like Neo.

The reason why I think the French dude is not a previous one is that I believe the french dude was around from the previous version of the matrix ( the utopia uber version that failed horribly) because dont they say that his vampire agent guys are from the old matrix? I think he was one of the programmers for the matrix and now he's gone rogue, with his rogue programs. Remember the Oracle speaking about vampires, ghosts werewolves etc, I think he either creates some of those, or helps them to remain in the matrix and not get deleted. Plus I forgot! He said he fought all the previous ones before they fight neo.

EDIT: eek, wrong user, I'm so confused.

<----- MrBored

[MrBored]

Thats better, seems I have a very old account from when the comments section didn't use the same username as the forum and my subconscious logged me in, how dare it! It must DIE!

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by unskinnybob
Monnica Belluci is a hot bitch. I made a monicca-mask for my girlfriend to wear around the house. lol.

dude u completely managed to fuck up the spelling.. its MONICA BELLUCCI.. how the fuck can u search for nude pictures of her if u aint got the spelling right huh!?!?

[unskinnybob]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
dude u completely managed to fuck up the spelling.. its MONICA BELLUCCI.. how the fuck can u search for nude pictures of her if u aint got the spelling right huh!?!?

Well, thank God for cut and paste. And bless you for correcting me. Search: MONICA BELLUCCI CRACK

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by unskinnybob
Monnica Belluci is a hot bitch. I made a monicca-mask for my girlfriend to wear around the house. lol.

Rofl, yep, she's damn hot.

[cr3am]

ok, i'm gonna go watch the architect scene again, and post anything he said that was important.

Edit:
First thing: Neo is not fully human.
The guy in the white uses big words.
They destroyed Zion six times, but everyone in the matrix stays alive.
The One is supposed to go to the source, and alloow "The code [he is] carrying" to be put back.
If he does not choose to start up Zion again, everyone will die, but Neo keeps this "code".
All five predecessors loved humans (mankind), but Neo loves only one human.
The Architect doesn't know Neo's full powers. He thinks Trinity will die, and Neo can't stop it.

[MrBored]

Could you give more information on the "code" neo is carrying, I have only seen the matrix at the cinema ( dont have it on my hdd yet ), so I cant go check for myself. Is this code the stuff that allows neo to emp those squidies?

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

he doesnt say much abt the code.. just that that neo bastard is carrying it!

[blind_mad_cow]

I want to watch it agian, but i dont wanna pay $4.50 to watch it and possibly forget parts again. :rolleyes:

[sushi128]

that's why (explained in a nother thread), i download it!!! paid to see it twice in theatres, and keeping the pirated divx version until the dvd.

now that i think about it, i'm starting to buy the whole "wifi" thing. maybe him not being "fully human" makes him actually part of the matrix. his mind is embedded with code and the code is embedded into the matrix. it'd be interesting to find out what exactly happened to his predecessors.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by MrShit
Cause of all the TV screens in the room, when Neo was about to answer the Architect would show all the previous "ones" answers and they all looked like Neo.

I don't think those were previous The Ones. Rather, I think those were all the different responses Neo could have chosen at that moment, and the screen simply focused in on the response he did choose. If you've ever read anything about the Multiverse Theory, or the Ergodicity Principle of post-Everett Quantum Mechanics, or even have read Michael Crighton's book Timeline, then you'll know what I mean.

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by cr3am
ok, i'm gonna go watch the architect scene again, and post anything he said that was important.

Or, just read the script for that part on the web:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Matrix+Architect+Script&btnG=Google+Search

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

Neo (on the monitors) - Others? What others? How many? Answer me!

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Neo (on the monitors) - Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit.

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Neo (on the monitors) - You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bullshit.

Neo (on the monitors) - Bullshit!

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.

End Scene

[cr3am]

Originally posted by MrShit
Cause of all the TV screens in the room, when Neo was about to answer the Architect would show all the previous "ones" answers and they all looked like Neo. no. if you remember, the minute the architect took off the monitors, he talked about Neo's reactions. All those screens were what Neo was thinking and could have said.

[Smapdey]

If I was Neo, I would have whipped it out and gave a moral message about how sex is the ultimate answer. Like in Beowulf.

[Downfall]

exactly....theres nothing philosophical about the matrix, its just one big virtual reality sex program

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

Originally posted by cr3am
no. if you remember, the minute the architect took off the monitors, he talked about Neo's reactions. All those screens were what Neo was thinking and could have said.

Or, if we assume there were infinite monitors (that stretched infinitely upwards), each could have shown one of the infinitely possible reactions Neo could have had, and simply zoomed in on the one he actually did have. That fits the Multiverse theory.

[Hitman]

You fellas are thinking to much.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Dude the script was most helpful.. i now understand everything.. Neo is part of the matrix that is developed to maintain the human form so that it can interact with members of the Zion.. Once Zion is rebuilt the One facilitates returning the code to the architect that has anomalies.. hence, the architect can then use the code to rebuild the matrix.. sort of patch it so that he can rule the damn world.. the reason neo can EMP those fucking sentinels was that he is not really human.. (though he can fuck trinity anytime.. that is cool).. anyways.. he has some control over the machines as matrix is a sort of simulation or emulation of whats going around in the real world.. since in part 1 you see that they free Neo.. hence the child they grow like cells are just plugged into the matrix.. hence the virtual and real matrix are the same.. the only part that remains unexplained is that Neo has developed such an anomaly that he can control the real matrix (which in this case are the tunnels with sentinels in them) but that anomaly hasnt surfaced.. hence the coma in the end.. coz his ass got a shock that he can now control machines out of the virtual matrix.. i think this is the right interpretation thus far.. if someone has an alternate one.. plz explain.. (p.s. this is the first time i am actually serious.. so no fucking joked dudes).. also agent smith is now just a virus that is taking control of the agent programs.. etc etc.. the rest is i think understandable on its own..

[RAY16]

You guys are making my brain hurt...O_o

[sushi128]

it shouldn't. just lotsa speculation, far as i can tell. somebody go and ask the wachowski brothers. they'll know....

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

I just completed MGS2 last night.. and for some reason it felt that it was a prelude to the matrix or something.. patriots and all that shit simulating human beings so that they can create the perfect world etc etc.. is it just me or did someone also think like that.. i think Hideo Kojima and Wachoski bros were in bed together having 3 somes when they came up with such bullshit.. btw MGS2 Cg was way too cool man!..

[Kain]

|)U(|(0F|)3@TH........................WTF......... .how long did it take you to do that i mean watching the movie and changeing it to type??
what can i say ....good work..};]

[Kain]

Originally posted by |)U(|(0F|)3@TH
Or, if we assume there were infinite monitors (that stretched infinitely upwards), each could have shown one of the infinitely possible reactions Neo could have had, and simply zoomed in on the one he actually did have. That fits the Multiverse theory.

i bleive the room was a dome... if you look at the screens closely you will see more monitors in the background allowing an infinent amount of possible ansews.....[it simple zoomed in on the correct one and it was always obvious as to wich screen would be choosen because it wouldnt be ranting]

[unskinnybob]

Without trying to turn Reloaded into a science or a religion I'd say it was pretty good. CG was excellent. If I had to weight Reloaded up vs. X2 I'd have to go with the opposite to Smap's opinion. X2 had (like Smap so rightly pointed out) deviation from the comic. Also, since the comic books (and animated series) have been around for years I kindof had high hopes. Both X1 and X2 dissappointed. That said, I watched Reloaded with no expectations and thus I was pleasantly surprised. I hope Monica Bellucci shows some flesh in the next installment.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by unskinnybob
I hope Monica Bellucci shows some flesh in the next installment.

Me too.. :D

[unskinnybob]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
Me too.. :D

Did I spell it to your satisfaction that time? :)

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by unskinnybob
Did I spell it to your satisfaction that time? :)

ooo yeah!.. Bellucci is the Whore of the Week for me!.. btw did u see her movie Malena.. even a little kid fantasized abt her.. she is next best thing to Laetitia Casta i say!

[RADiator]

Originally posted by sushi128
go and ask the wachowski brothers. they'll know.... I don’t think that they have any idea....I think they are as confused as us.

[sushi128]

lol, they confused themselves in their flood of creativity :D

kinda like us:

"And then...and then, we should have these HUGE ROBOTS!!!"
"Yeah! that's it!!! and, and, they should have eight fuckin legs like an octopus!!!"
"heh, yeah....."
:: puff puff ::
"and we need superman. gotta have superman....."

[Hitman]

is it just me but all I get from her was nice tits and a cute face, i'm not big on large fat asses... same thing for Trinity she has no ass.. bahumbug.

Hey WGARA nice insight.. you may have hit it right on the hand, it makes sense now since we know that the programs can invade a body in the real world, still doesn't explain his ability to do the EMP thing though.. also when he said something has changed right before the emp, i'm wondering if he meant the ability to do that or was it because he sensed Mr Virus in the real world?

If Neo is a program how comes he's can't tell he is.. i'm beginning to think he has some kind of connection to the Oracle's golden glow bodyguard.. time will tell.

[RADiator]

I believe that neo program thing is the most obvious explanation. Coz architect asked him to return to the core.....to become a part of it....and only programs can do that.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Bellucci is italian.. what do u expect skinny carie ann moss kindof ass outta her.. if u want to look at a nice ass.. go see laetitia casta's ass.. now that is what i call cute.. anyways back on subject..

the one is supposed to be a confused piece of shit.. as u can see throughout the movie he never knew what he was meant for.. and hence the i dunno what to do remarks.. now that he has met the architect bastard i think he just realized that he is a fucking anomaly and wants to rectify things for the human race.. a sort of a sane program if u may.. and abt the emp.. yes he must have realized that since he is part program part human.. he can use his super bionic abilities outside matrix also.. and abt the part with the golden oracle bastard.. well i really doubt they have some intimate relationship.. it was just to make another battle/cut scene and thats that.. just to show that no one is what they appear to be in the virtual part of matrix.. and so on and so forth..

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by RADiator
I believe that neo program thing is the most obvious explanation. Coz architect asked him to return to the core.....to become a part of it....and only programs can do that.

Lo and Behold.. the RADWHORE.. aka RADHOLE Speaks..

*bwahahahaha.. sorry cant stop laughing at it though I have yet to figure out whats so damn funny?!?! *

[RADiator]

Originally posted by Hitman
If Neo is a program how comes he's can't tell he is I think its like being crazy...everyone know you are mad but you don’t want to accept it.

[unskinnybob]

holy fuck! does it really matter that much? wait for the last movie for god sakes! If you want to solve a mystery then figure out who the fuck killed Laura Palmer!

[MrBored]

I believe he is not completely a program, I think the machines took a human body and overwrote its mind with there own program. Now it seems that his humanity wasn't completely wiped out in the reprogramming and thats what caused him to go after trinity rather than go to the source. A possible explanation to the emp thing is that neo ( and all the other "free" ppl ) have huge metal plugs in there heads, this would make for a good antenna eh? WiFi needs an antenna ;p

I think Neo should have jumped inside the Architect and gibbed him like he did to Smith in the first one :) Then pissed all over the room.

One thing that has got me wondering is, who is the leader of the machines. The Architect runs the matrix, but that is only the powerplant for the machines. There must be a higher AI somewhere. It would also be interesting to know if the Wachoski bros have thought of what the machines do all day. All we see is the programs in the matrix and the squidies, which I imagine are like the army, so where are the "citizens" of the machine world.

P.S. I'm bored at work and I've got nothing else to do other than speculate about the matrix and browse forums... :/

[RADiator]

Originally posted by unskinnybob
holy fuck! does it really matter that much?No actually it doesn’t. We shouldn’t dig it so hard. Also I’m convinced that we are not able to solve it. Its up to those 2 freaky bastards to explain it to us. :)

[MrBored]

I killed Laura Palmer, happy? ;p

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

who the fuck is laura palmer!

[MrBored]

I have no idea, I did a search on google and got various wierd results, first one was some vietnam person who died from shrapnel and another one was some porn star. There were also lots of diaries from this person ( something to do with Twin Peeks ).

[RADiator]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
who the fuck is laura palmer! Its from TV series Twin Peeks.

[unskinnybob]

Exactly - Laura Palmer was the bitch who was killed in Twin Peaks. Hmmm.... maybe she died from shrapnel wounds in vietnam and nobody in twin peaks knew!

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

killed as in in the tv series or in real while acting on the tv series.. btw we solved the mystery so now.. what i was saying abt the matrix was that..

[RADiator]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
killed as in in the tv series or in real while acting on the tv series In the tv series.

[cr3am]

Aight, i was told by the higher powers (the tree people) that the thread would be opened if you guys stay on topic

[Chimera[NL]]

OK, back to Laura palmer, did you guys see th.........

(just kiddin cr3am!):D

[RADiator]

COOL!! So back to the twins are they fucking dead or what?

[blind_mad_cow]

For PETE'S SAKE!!! there is a thread for it now.

while you were in the theater, did anyone around you burst out laughing when the laidy ate the cake? I had a bunch of immature ppl sitting behind me cracking up for like 3 mins.! Granted, it was funny but not that funny.

[unskinnybob]

Originally posted by RADiator
COOL!! So back to the twins are they fucking dead or what?

I don't think so. I'm sure everyone in reloaded will be in revolution. Contracts and shit.

[blind_mad_cow]

Originally posted by unskinnybob
I don't think so. I'm sure everyone in reloaded will be in revolution. Contracts and shit.

yea, i didnt get the impression that they died...besides, that foxy laidy said they were "notoriously hard to kill" so i think they will be back.

[Smapdey]

The only way you can kill ghosts is shooting down their huge burning cross like in Oh Brother Where Art Thou or do whatever Mario did. And Morpheus ain't Mario.

[cr3am]

rofl, wtf?

[R3FL3X]

I just loved matrix reloaded but some people didnt cause the ending sucked. Well hello people thats why they made revolution in the same here. And also some people said that there was to much slow action like when trinity jumps out the window, well thats wat the matrix is mostly about the slow motions and stuff.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Finally.. btw CREAM.. just for the record.. dude I was fucking with you.. when I am serious I say it.. thats why u dont see it too often.. actually the only time i have been serious here was.. errr.. yeah the matrix theory in this fucking thread.. so chill oks!

[RADiator]

Originally posted by R3FL3X
I just loved matrix reloaded but some people didnt cause the ending sucked. Well hello people thats why they made revolution in the same here. And also some people said that there was to much slow action like when trinity jumps out the window, well thats wat the matrix is mostly about the slow motions and stuff.
1. Fights are too long and pointless.
2. The plot is so twisted that i think even Wachowski brothers dont understand it any more.
3. Neos fucking ass!!!

No questions to the GFX though.

[SaintDL]

Originally posted by RADiator
1. Fights are too long and pointless.
2. The plot is so twisted that i think even Wachowski brothers dont understand it any more.
3. Neos fucking ass!!!

No questions to the GFX though.

i could not find any better words. matrix one rules but this is suck hairy balls n die/ it sucks

[R3FL3X]

dude that is the main thing about the matrix, the fighting with the agents. If u dont know wats goin on with neo u dont get the matrix. U got to understand to like it.

[future man]

That isn't the main thing you fucking smacktard, you can't understand "up", and "down" and complicated things like that.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by R3FL3X
dude that is the main thing about the matrix, the fighting with the agents. If u dont know wats goin on with neo u dont get the matrix. U got to understand to like it. Ow don’t get me wrong here i understood everything the plot had to throw at me. But fighting with the agents is NOT what matrix is all about. The matrix is a riot. Its a never ending fight within us. The original Matrix beard the deep deep meaning inside it. The second part did not.

[R3FL3X]

yeah but in he second one the agent was free and developed a new program that lets them clone in each other. in the third one its all gonna end somehow.

[future man]

Sorry but that was the single most retarded post I've ever read.

[R3FL3X]

your retarded

[RADiator]

Originally posted by R3FL3X
yeah but in he second one the agent was free and developed a new program that lets them clone in each other. in the third one its all gonna end somehow. And how is this related to anything that was said above?

[RAY16]

Settle down children.

[MrBored]

I just had a thought, that kinda messes things up. The problem comes in with Smith being able upload himself into the brain of anyone plugged into the matrix. Surely this is not something new to the machines, surely they could do this before?

My problem is, if they could do this, why didn't they just overright every single human being with a program that just keeps them alive enough to be powerplants? I think its kinda a fuckup by the W. Bro's, which depresses me because as far as I could tell, the original matrix was perfect.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by MrBored
I just had a thought, that kinda messes things up. The problem comes in with Smith being able upload himself into the brain of anyone plugged into the matrix. Surely this is not something new to the machines, surely they could do this before?

My problem is, if they could do this, why didn't they just overright every single human being with a program that just keeps them alive enough to be powerplants? I think its kinda a fuckup by the W. Bro's, which depresses me because as far as I could tell, the original matrix was perfect. Yea that’s a bit confusing.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by MrBored
I just had a thought, that kinda messes things up. The problem comes in with Smith being able upload himself into the brain of anyone plugged into the matrix. Surely this is not something new to the machines, surely they could do this before?

My problem is, if they could do this, why didn't they just overright every single human being with a program that just keeps them alive enough to be powerplants? I think its kinda a fuckup by the W. Bro's, which depresses me because as far as I could tell, the original matrix was perfect. it only happens because he disobeyed the code and stayed. Remember the ghosts and the werewolves, they got special powers cuz they shouldn't have been there.

[Smapdey]

While not being a huge fan of the first Matrix, I'd rather watch it than Reloaded. The first one at least had atmosphere, and it actually wasn't this huge, over-glorified piece of shit, well, at least not at first.

This is like the Episode I of Star Wars, Over-Glorified shit. The Matrix can't be far behind becoming a huge joke.

[ghiop]

I'd have to agree with him on that one. This one didn't seem to move the plot forward, and relied a lot more on flashy special effects. Or, halfway through the Burly Brawl, blatant CGI.

Sorry. That one's already been gone through.

[cr3am]

yeah, i knew the only storyline in the whole movie was when the Architect came. But i still enjoyed it :D

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

dude matrix ownz joes asses.. now shut the fuck up..

ok not really.. but i really luuuuvveeeddd the gay party!

[ghiop]

You mean the scene with Morpheus pretending to be either Ramses II or Yul Brunner?

Yeah, that was a great scene.

Wait, no. No it wasn't.:)

[2Lions]

That was about the stupidest segment of the movie - that whole Zion utopia.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by 2Lions
That was about the stupidest segment of the movie - that whole Zion utopia.

dude the gay party owned.. now fuck off!..

[MrBored]

The whole Zion dance scene played a very crucial role in the film that basically is the basis for the decision neo makes. It showed their humanity, the difference between them and the machinces. Maybe it was too long, but it needed to be done.

If you didn't enjoy the matrix is probably because you didn't fully understand it, even if you thought you did.

Go read these threads:

Reloaded didn't make sense to you? - Part Deux
http://forums.matrixfans.net/showthread.php?=&threadid=8041

Reloaded didn't make sense to you?
http://www.coronaproductions.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001913.html

Why was Neo given a choice?
http://www.coronaproductions.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001955.html

Neo-Architect conversation
http://www.coronaproductions.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001954.html"

They are very good, unfortuantely Corona are shutting down their forum, so you cant post. You should be able to on the first link.

[unskinnybob]

Originally posted by Smapdey
While not being a huge fan of the first Matrix, I'd rather watch it than Reloaded. The first one at least had atmosphere, and it actually wasn't this huge, over-glorified piece of shit, well, at least not at first.

This is like the Episode I of Star Wars, Over-Glorified shit. The Matrix can't be far behind becoming a huge joke.
Neo's ass vs Jar-Jar Binks.... Hey - even I see the similarities!

[Smapdey]

I liked how everyone that was free was black.

[R3FL3X]

i agree with mr. bored, if u didnt like the movie u probably didnt understand it, u guys probably said that the ending sucked. well thats why there making revolution in the same here!!!

[Odm]

Originally posted by Smapdey
I liked how everyone that was free was black. Smapdey, you are officially an idiot. Not everyone was black. The other captain wasn't, nor was Neo's groupie person. That's just to name two.

[Smapdey]

Yes they were! Watch it again! Damn near everyone was black.

[R3FL3X]

u guys are racist!!!!!!! lol!!!!

[Smapdey]

Not really, but everyone that isn't full of plugs sure as hell ain't white.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Not really, but everyone that isn't full of plugs sure as hell ain't white.
wtf, not eveyone was black. I only remember 3 characters being black. Fizn00l!!!

[Smapdey]

dude, like all the dancers! Watch it again!

[R3FL3X]

yeah all the dancers were black, or atleast most of them!!!!

[RADiator]

YEAH I noticed it too! What’s up with that? (no offence meant)

[R3FL3X]

i dont know why but most of them were sure hot!!!!!!

[RADiator]

Originally posted by R3FL3X
i dont know why but most of them were sure hot!!!!!! hehehe