800 or 533?

[RADiator]

Ok so what’s better?

2600 MHz with HT and 800MHz FSB

or

2800 MHz with HT and 533MHz FSB

[sushi128]

i'd overclock the 2.6C. you'd need some good RAM though (PC3500/3700?). depends what u do, i guess. i think photoshop will make better use of 200 extra cpu mhz (if that's what you're doin).

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

i didnt know there was a 2.8 - 533 with HT..

but personally i would go for the 2.6 800 with HT

Reasons:

1) 800 vs 533 is a no contest thingie

2) 800 runs waaayyy cooler than the 533 designed chips

3) overclocking possibilities with an 800 are amazing

4) with a radeon 9800 that u were thinking abt 800 is most definitely the way to go

5) all of the above :)

6) all of the above plus I SAY SO DAMMIT!

[RADiator]

Yes I’m still going for 9800. I need the comp for efficient work with Adobe Photoshop and 3d Studio Max, plus gaming of course. So I think I’ll go with 2600 MHz than.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

yes 2.6 800 is the way to go since with a slight overclock u can easily do 3 Ghz on this chip on STOCK cooling.. without wetting ur pants abt overheat or anything..

and since i think ur ambient temps are around 30C in mother russia u wont have problems in overclocking also..

best of luck buddy.. all in all u will have a kickass rig.. so what mobo are u looking at?

[RADiator]

Well we are looking on a Dell dimension 8300.

Here are exact specs:

Intel® 875-P chipset/800MHz FSB
Minitower
Dell 105-tangenters Slimline tangentbord
Logitech PS/2 - 2 Button Mouse (Midnight Grey)

Intel® Pentium® 4 processor 2600 MHz with HT and 800MHz FSB

512MB DDR RAM Dual Channel (2x256MB)

128MB ATI Radeon 9800

80GB IDE hard disc (7200RPM)

48x CD-RW/DVD COMBO

[sushi128]

don't like the idea of a minitower. don't think u have a choice though.

[RADiator]

Hmmm...I don’t know seems enough for me:

FRONT (http://di.dell.com/images/emea/products/dimen/8300_front.jpg)
BACK (http://di.dell.com/images/emea/products/dimen/8300_back.jpg)

[sushi128]

looks more like a midtower. whatever, have fun with this thing.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

u are getting a DELL.. shall i come to russia and slap u or what?.. buddy hellaaaoo this is 2003 DELL is a worthless piece of shit!

plus it has intel mobo and u wont be able to overclock jack shit!

Ram would be some shitty CAS 3 one

hard disk i am wondering will be just another piece of shit w/ 2mb cache.. i would rather buy me a seagate myslf w/ 8mb cache

the CDRW combo.. which company are u looking at here.. except for liteon and/or plextor i wouldnt buy anything else!

the mouse would be ur generic one and they will charge fucking 20 bucks for it.. for that price just send me the money and i will send u a wireless mouse.. optical at that!

forgot to mention that the power supply will be inadequate too for later add ins and what not!

[RADiator]

BUT I DON’T WANT TO OVERCLOCK IT GOD DAMNIT I NEED IT FOR WORK! So I am quite happy with the choice I made and I will stick with it.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

CAS 3 latency ram, generic POS power supply, 2mb cache hd and a stupid punk ass cd drive

DOESNT GO WITH WORK!

if u ever fire up corel draw and/or max etc u will realize how much hdd and ram speed matters.. as for sticking with ur choice.. all components u chose are ok.. even the intel mobo is fine.. but ram and hdd is what i dont agree with.. post a fucking link so that i can see whatcha getting and for how much dough!

[RADiator]

All though I’m not buying it from US here is exact model were looking at:

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/products/model_dimen_dimen_8300.htm

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

buddy its ofcourse ur call but id rather build me my own QUALITY and CHEAPER system than buy a DELL!

[RADiator]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
buddy its ofcourse ur call but id rather build me my own QUALITY and CHEAPER system than buy a DELL! Well this is the problem. I don’t have time to build a custom rig. Other wise I would build it on my own no doubt about it. After my first comp (which was pretty good BTW) got stolen (ughh I don’t want to talk about it). I’m greatly in need of a good capable machine. And this particular Dell seems to fit my requirements (for now). So what about overclocking WGARA? Is there no chance at all for improvement? I just don’t want to buy a new rig every goddamn year.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Intel MOBO = NO OVERCLOCKING

simple as that.. best u can do is set ram timings but as the computer ages u have to overclock and with a dell the options of upgrades (like additional cooling) etc are.. well.. limited.. ok i am fucking with ya.. they are NON EXISTENT.. look at my rig..

i have a fucking 1.8A intel cpu that is still considered as a gem overclocker and has a potential of running around 2.4 speeds on STOCK COOLING.. but my mothafuckin mobo wont allow..

then u come up with software hassles.. most all software like illegal copies of photoshop and such will crap out as in a compaq i tried installing a fuckin XP pro pirated copy and the damn thing nearly blew up..

plus there is virtually no room for customization of any sorts..

just take some time.. building a rig only takes at most a day.. getting the right components is the thing and for that i am sure Rhenna, sushi, and me can help.. didnt u see what a kickass rig jnick got.. u are looking at the exact same thing..

as time passes u want to overclock ur comp to get the max outta it and 2.6C is a gem for overclocking yet with an intel mobo it wouldnt be worth more than 2.6C which is simply saddening.. after learning these hard truths i for one am not going to buy a branded comp and/or intel motherboard for that matter!

hope this helps.. haste makes waste.. i know its a cliche but it sure as hell carries a lot of meaning!

[RADiator]

Thanks for advice WGARA, sushi. I will think about the direction in which I want to move and will inform you as soon as I will come to a complete decision about my future rig.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

sure bud.. just tell us BEFORE actually getting the thing oks!

[Yian]

RAD, not DELL!

[aphremen]

Check the review in the new maximum PC mag about the 800mhz FSB p4. ok or not. basically it's faster than the higher clocked 533fsb chips.

[RADiator]

Well the main problem is that if I start constructing a custom rig I will not be able to buy 9800 (don’t ask why its just the way it is). So that is the main reason why I’m going for a dell. All in all when the time for a new computer comes after this one will get a bit old I’m 100% sure that I will be able to by cutting edge, state of the art machine (or build it). There are some very big changes coming up in my life and work (a good changes). So I am quite sure about that matter. That is also a main reason why I’m not so worried about the overclocking . I was just curious to know how the things are. And now its good to know where I stand. Thank you all very much for input. I really appreciate your help.

[sushi128]

i don't expect anyone who's buying a dell to be overclocking. Dell works until people do shit to it.

The power supplies on dells are actually quite good. they're rated lower, but for some reason they beat out PSU's higher than that.

Last time i saw a dell, they used an LG cdwriter. sorry if i don't know what "punk ass" implies when it comes to pc parts.

Dell uses crucial/micron RAM. known for stability; i've got some in my P3 server. far from shitty.

Dell has used a wide assortment of motherboards (MSI, gigabyte, etc...). what they do is they strip it down to dell-mode (which is bad, but just clearing that up).

If he wanted to overclock or tweak or whatever, he wouldn't be buying a dell. since he IS buying a dell, i'm thinkin he has other things on his agenda.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by sushi128
i don't expect anyone who's buying a dell to be overclocking. Dell works until people do shit to it.

The power supplies on dells are actually quite good. they're rated lower, but for some reason they beat out PSU's higher than that.

Last time i saw a dell, they used an LG cdwriter. sorry if i don't know what "punk ass" implies when it comes to pc parts.

Dell uses crucial/micron RAM. known for stability; i've got some in my P3 server. far from shitty.

Dell has used a wide assortment of motherboards (MSI, gigabyte, etc...). what they do is they strip it down to dell-mode (which is bad, but just clearing that up).

If he wanted to overclock or tweak or whatever, he wouldn't be buying a dell. since he IS buying a dell, i'm thinkin he has other things on his agenda.

dells dont overclock when they have intel mobos.. since now most all branded comps being sold have intel cpu coupled with intel mobos nothing can be overclocked (heck even alienware uses intel mobo yuck)

LG cd writer is exactly when i describe a cd writer being a punk ass.. simply stated it is a worthless peice of shit.. i used an lg cd drive and my friend got an lg cd writer.. both were fucked up in less than 6 months of usage.. plus the warranty was shitty (and its not only in my country).. at best the cd rom was doing 18X READ on a sandra benchmark.. whereas liteon and other drives usually stack up around 30X on sandra.. (yes the X rated on the box is only maximum that most drives dont even touch.. )

i have used micron ram and personally it was stable no doubts there.. but when u get a CAS 3 latency ram on a friggin 2.6C u realize how much the timings will be holding off the cpu.. i went from cas 3 to cas 2.5 ram and notched it up to cas 2 and i was like HOLY SHIT.. no more stuttering in ut2k3 in serious fire fights.. and as u remember i only have 256 mbs of ram!

the DELL mode u talk abt can seriously fuck up with PIRATED s/w.. and since RAD supposedly uses that a lot.. DELL is going to act all cranky when it sees pirated software on its hdd! plus i have no doubts the cache on that hdd would be 2 mb which simply put will hold off his 2.6C again especially if he uses max/maya and corel and/or adobe s/w!

i know he has a 9800 on his agenda and i understand why he is going for the DELL coz of a few less than market upgrades.. like that to a 9800 (but if he gets a 9800 SE with a dell he is fucked).. so if u can get a dell now and any other thing is outside budget then its again ur call!

[sushi128]

he can still upgrade. and like i said about the mobo, it's bad, but still not intel. u see if they used intel, atleast the damn thing would be rock solid :D

and i think u exagerate on the degradation of cas3.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

bah.. they dont even list the mobo now.. wtf?

there are no doubts ever in my mind abt stability of intel mobos.. if u dont overclock these puppies are the way to go! I own 2 dammit.. my sr440bx2 that came with my p3 450 still rocks!

i am not exaggerating abt ut2k3.. i only changed ram and stuttering was gone.. i thought it was a radeon issue but actually it was the ram.. my other games also load a notch faster.. nolf2 does that! but in memory access intensive programs like max.. u really see the diff b/w cas 3 and cas 2 ram..

and as i said earlier they dont fucking state cache of hdd.. enuff said.. its nothing more than 2 mb! bah! :rolleyes:

[Bobz0r]

if youre gonna use warez or pirated shit on a dell, i strongly suggest against getting a dell in the first place.

as they have said, dells work until you touch them. once you do that, poof, youre fucked and buying a new computer

i had a dell for like 2 and a half years, a p4 1.7 with rd ram that i could only buy from dell which pissed me off because they charge me an arm and a leg for it

putting a new video card in was hell, i suggest against it.


dells are made for PCI additions, no agp or ram usually because nobody buys it since it costs so much. putting a new video card on it took hours and hours because i had to reset the bios and go through all this dumb shit for the shitty comp that i didnt want in the first place


pirate+dell=shitsville

[RADiator]

OK OK OK! What about AMD than? Do they sell desktop solutions? If yes do they have an european service or something?

[sushi128]

Dell doesn't do AMD. they were gonna, then they didn't. then they were gonna again, and then they didn't again.

[RADiator]

No no no. I mean AMD as a stand-alone company, do they sell desktop solutions?

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

nope.. not that i know of

but they do sell nice processors

[Yian]

If RAD isn't going to do anything with his computer, a DELL should be good enough. Just make sure they build the entire thing for you so you don't have to do anything to it.

[sushi128]

You don't want AMD doin computers anyway. Quality control isn't exactly their forté.

[ReDeeMeR]

RaD just compare the prices, in some countries AMD's are way cheaper and only idiot would buy Intel, dont be affraid, they dont blow up or anything and are good o even better overclockers then P4's :D

[RADiator]

Ughh...I really don’t know. I’m still thinking about this whole issue. All I want from my new computer is to be able to run Photoshop, 3dsmax, Maya etc. I’m really not going to overclock it (I need it only for about a year and a half or so). After that those big changes I was talking about earlier in the thread will take place and this computer will be left behind.

[sushi128]

well, photoshop is optimized for P4's. with HT and SSE2, you'll have much better performance than an AMD.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

hey just get a fuckin celeron it will run ur photoshop!