"User Friendly" software will be our doom... DOOM!!!!

[RAY16]

Thats right, its going to make PC's suck. I've been hearing about the nex M$ OS and how its going to be so "easy" to use. How gaming will be like consoles, so you don't have to install or configure games. The OS or games will config the graphics settings to what is best for your hardware. Ok, best for my hardware, but is it best FOR ME? What if the game decides that my hardware can run at full detail and get a frame rate it says is playable, but i don't consider it playable? And windows, don't get me started on windows. M$ tried to make windows so "user friendly" that in the process of making it simple for n00bs they made it harder for people WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING to set everything the way they want. Having software that is slightly user friendly is good, where experts can get to everything they wan't without having to disable security options or change registry keys or edit ini files. In windows XP there is an inf file that hides some programs from the add/remove windows components menu. It prevents you from removing programs like windows messenger and other crap that you might not need (MSN Messenger is better then Windows Messenger, but trillian ownz them both).


DOWN WITH ULTRA "USER FRIENDLY" SOFTWARE!!!!!!!

[ihateyou]

Originally posted by RAY16
Thats right, its going to make PC's suck. I've been hearing about the nex M$ OS and how its going to be so "easy" to use. How gaming will be like consoles, so you don't have to install or configure games. The OS or games will config the graphics settings to what is best for your hardware. Ok, best for my hardware, but is it best FOR ME? What if the game decides that my hardware can run at full detail and get a frame rate it says is playable, but i don't consider it playable? And windows, don't get me started on windows. M$ tried to make windows so "user friendly" that in the process of making it simple for n00bs they made it harder for people WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING to set everything the way they want. Having software that is slightly user friendly is good, where experts can get to everything they wan't without having to disable security options or change registry keys or edit ini files. In windows XP there is an inf file that hides some programs from the add/remove windows components menu. It prevents you from removing programs like windows messenger and other crap that you might not need (MSN Messenger is better then Windows Messenger, but trillian ownz them both).


DOWN WITH ULTRA "USER FRIENDLY" SOFTWARE!!!!!!! I hate it to! No more file hacking for me L, Ok just change the thingy of windows xp to 98 thingy and it should look better.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RAY16
In windows XP there is an inf file that hides some programs from the add/remove windows components menu. It prevents you from removing programs like windows messenger and other crap that you might not need Where can i find this file? I've been wanting to get rid of messenger forever.

[RAY16]

Its in C:\Windows\inf, its a hidden folder so make sure you have it showing hidden and system files. Look for an inf file called "sysoc.inf", open that and delete the word "hide" (or HIDE), but don't selet anything else. Now you can remove Windows Messenger.

If you're talking about those messenger pop-ups then you disable that in services under adminstrative tools. Its just called Messenger (its not releated to MSN messenger, but make sure you don't need it before you disable it).


*Edit*

I know its pretty obvious, but yous hould probably make a back-up before you do this just in case something happens.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RAY16
Its in C:\Windows\inf, its a hidden folder so make sure you have it showing hidden and system files. Look for an inf file called "sysoc.inf", open that and delete the word "hide" (or HIDE), but don't selet anything else. Now you can remove Windows Messenger. I saw a bunch of "hide"s, should I delete them all?

[Rhenna]

Years ago, an employer gave me several legal Win98SE discs, so between those and what I've purchased on my own, my home systems are 100% legit. All my Win98 machines are stable. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw a blue screen. I don't know why I spent the money for WinXP Pro. It ran only one (1) piece of software that wouldn't run on my Win98 rigs, and that issue has since been fixed by that manufacturer. For me, WinXP brings nothing to the table I really need, and no compelling reason for me to spring for another license. My Win2000 machines are as "advanced" as I care to be, for now.

As it has done with Win95, MS can obsolete Win98 anytime it chooses to; actually, I guess that process is already underway. Not releasing DX10 for Win98 would root out the gaming stragglers and force them to open their wallets, or take "other measures."

I'm not especially well-informed regarding Longhorn. But, I think RAY16's reservations about it may well be justified. More "nuts & bolts" settings hermetically sealed to prevent the common folk from bending something. More opportunity for PC-related magazines to sell their "100 Windows Secrets Revealed!" issues. (I've seen these six times a year since the Windows286/386 days.) More tech-support types jumping off of bridges seeking release. Didn't I hear something about GameSpy, or a GameSpy knock-off, being embedded in DX10. If that's true, can DX10.6.02c(V2.01a) be far behind? Excuse me, but who needs this?

WinXP had major issues within weeks of release, ditto for 2003 Server. So it goes. Perhaps it's time for people to collectively say, "No thanks" when MS decides to trot out it's next work-in-progress OS. Sure, that has a chance...

[RAD]

Originally posted by Rhenna
Perhaps it's time for people to collectively say, "No thanks" when MS decides to trot out it's next work-in-progress OS. Sure, that has a chance... Oh I seriously doubt that. After they will flash some screens of a new "improved" interface and blaber some nonsense about how much better the new OS will be and blah, blah, blah. People will mindlessly go and purchase it. And if they won’t I’m sure by one way or another "the big brother" will make them regret their decision. So we are left with only one option here, kick back, relax and watch the inevitable come knocking on our door.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Rhenna
Years ago, an employer gave me several legal Win98SE discs, so between those and what I've purchased on my own, my home systems are 100% legit. All my Win98 machines are stable. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw a blue screen. I don't know why I spent the money for WinXP Pro. It ran only one (1) piece of software that wouldn't run on my Win98 rigs, and that issue has since been fixed by that manufacturer. For me, WinXP brings nothing to the table I really need, and no compelling reason for me to spring for another license. My Win2000 machines are as "advanced" as I care to be, for now. Both my Win98SE and Win2000 installs ended in registries the size of Jay Leno's chin, Windows slowing down to the speed of my mom's 133 MHz, Half Life crashing more than an 80 year old woman, and my graphics drivers getting screwed more than a Main Street ho. So far XP Pro is lasting me longer than any other windows install. I hated the look of it so much, but once I got used to it I was fine with it. No complaints.

[RAY16]

Originally posted by cr3am
I saw a bunch of "hide"s, should I delete them all?


I deleted all the "hide"'s, so delete them if you want. Just make sure you only delete the word "hide".

[Rhenna]

Originally posted by cr3am
Both my Win98SE and Win2000 installs ended in registries the size of Jay Leno's chin, Windows slowing down to the speed of my mom's 133 MHz, Half Life crashing more than an 80 year old woman, and my graphics drivers getting screwed more than a Main Street ho. So far XP Pro is lasting me longer than any other windows install. I hated the look of it so much, but once I got used to it I was fine with it. No complaints.

I have no doubt that WinXP can be a perfectly satisfactory OS for most people; I haven't had any major issues with it myself. But, please don't think what happened to your earlier Op Systems can't take place on XP. (I'm pretty sure you don't.)

I don't want to stray too far from what I think is RAY's point; that in an attempt to put a friendly facade on an OS, MORE and MORE layers of crud are added to an already huge amount of code. This makes reaching the "controls" that more challenging for those who rather have things their way, instead of Microsoft's way. Setting up, tweaking and adjusting your settings becomes an almost mystical "black art." And, for the non-geeks of the world... Well, regarding their OS configuration, they're being taken out of the decision-making loop altogether.

[mR-D]

I like XP opposed to 98, because it is more user friendly. But I think that making something more user friendly than XP is just a bit over the top. How much more friendlynes can there be in an OS? If you don't know how to basically navigate through a computer, then go and learn how to...

That's what I think. :)

[Kain]

Originally posted by RAY16
Thats right, its going to make PC's suck. I've been hearing about the nex M$ OS and how its going to be so "easy" to use. How gaming will be like consoles, so you don't have to install or configure games. The OS or games will config the graphics settings to what is best for your hardware. Ok, best for my hardware, but is it best FOR ME? What if the game decides that my hardware can run at full detail and get a frame rate it says is playable, but i don't consider it playable? And windows, don't get me started on windows. M$ tried to make windows so "user friendly" that in the process of making it simple for n00bs they made it harder for people WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING to set everything the way they want. Having software that is slightly user friendly is good, where experts can get to everything they wan't without having to disable security options or change registry keys or edit ini files. In windows XP there is an inf file that hides some programs from the add/remove windows components menu. It prevents you from removing programs like windows messenger and other crap that you might not need (MSN Messenger is better then Windows Messenger, but trillian ownz them both).


DOWN WITH ULTRA "USER FRIENDLY" SOFTWARE!!!!!!!


WOW, your Pychotic..... :D

[mR-D]

Originally posted by Kain
WOW, your Pychotic..... :D

No... I agree with his point.

[Kain]

oh i agree with his point, that was just an off the side comment.

[mR-D]

Fair enough...

[ReDeeMeR]

When I red the title "friendly softwarE" I kinda remember the fucking bohdi or whatever that shit is, I went to look for some cracks and popup appeared and wouldnt go away because it was java and without the "x" and alt+f4 didnt seem to work either(I had Win98) so I had to press "yes" and it installed, the purple lil beer-like fucker appeared on my desktop and wouldnt go away no matter what, took like 80 of my resources.

Back on topic, WinXP is really good as it is but for one thing, it still doesnt manage recourses good enough to compare to say consoles.

I would like a simple install without any kinds of useless bs resource suckin services and registers, so I'm really hoping they will make longhorn "targeted for gaming" not "it all does for you and you cant change shit" ....if it's the latter then fuck it.

[Odm]

lol, you had Bonzi too?