Athalon Xp 2200 or P4 2.2 ghz? [Archive]

sushi128

March 7th, 2003, 07:03 PM

lol, the P4 does NOT suck. P4 and AXP just achieve the same level of performance differently, and they excel in different areas. the only argument against the P4 is the price, but it seems that isn't a factor for you....

in any case, get the 2200+. i suspect you're into gaming, and the AXP is quite a beast when it comes to 3D and such.

btw, the 2200 rating compares the AXP to a T-Bird. we all know a 2200+ can hold it's own against even a 2.4ghz P4(which, again, cost more than a 2200+ anyway).

JerraMaya

March 8th, 2003, 01:49 PM

kua i will say and say it again go for p4 2.4ghz 533mhz speed Athlon is less costly but it doesnt have the upper edge the 533mhz processor in pentium 4 series have (which start from 2.4 to 3.06ghz) so 2.4ghz is the best one in performance , in cost athlon takes the upper hand , now its all up to u , if u go for 2.2 then please have athlon coz any of two u buy that does make any difference

Hobbes874

March 8th, 2003, 03:27 PM

AMD is cheaper and better overall for gaming but the P4 is a better word processor.

ReDeeMeR

March 8th, 2003, 04:28 PM

XP2200 is faster in Unreal Tournament 2003 engine powered games then P4 2,4Ghz by a good margin and this engine will be used for years now in various games, so I suggest you get Athlon and save some money.

Quake3 engine is dead and it was the only engine Pentium4 was better then Athlons, AMD 0wnz j00!

Athlon + Nforce2 mother = ownage.

sushi128

March 9th, 2003, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by Hobbes874
AMD is cheaper and better overall for gaming but the P4 is a better word processor.

huh? so it starts up MS word in .3 secs as opposed to .6s for amd?

cjsneek

March 9th, 2003, 06:14 AM

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00302/

RAY16

March 9th, 2003, 09:30 AM

Athlon + Nforce2 mother = ownage.

Mother? Its Mobo foo!.......O_o......

P.S. Sorry for being a smart ass....o_O

ReDeeMeR

March 9th, 2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by RAY16
Mother? Its Mobo foo!.......O_o......

P.S. Sorry for being a smart ass....o_O

sTfU looza!

Yian

March 9th, 2003, 12:24 PM

Look! It's ReDeeMeR!

|)U(|(0F|)3@TH

March 9th, 2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by cjsneek
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00302/

That's the best non-technical explanation I've seen yet. Very good currency analogy.

Yian

March 9th, 2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by sushi128
huh? so it starts up MS word in .3 secs as opposed to .6s for amd?

lol

Yian

March 9th, 2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by |)U(|(0F|)3@TH
That's the best non-technical explanation I've seen yet. Very good currency analogy.

Thank you so much my friend! Now we will all know that we have been right for a very long time for choosing AMD. Intel sucks my cock!

ReDeeMeR

March 10th, 2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Yian
Thank you so much my friend! Now we will all know that we have been right for a very long time for choosing AMD. Intel sucks my cock!

Actualy...................they suck my cock muwhahahahaha

sushi128

March 10th, 2003, 06:00 PM

whoa! hate it when THAT happens :-\

that article is pretty objective, but it still leans toward amd. the fact is, intel has WAY higher mhz than amd. the athlon XP will NEVER touch 3.06ghz, just as the P4 will NEVER touch an IPC of....uh, 9? whatever. point being, they achieve the same results differently. both chips are losing life, as evident in barton's price and the fact that intel is slowing down. the ONLY argument has always been price. what makes some of you generalize amd as being faster is beyond me. the 3.06 will kill any amd below a 2800+. remind me........what sucks about that?

and, on the price issue....
the barton 3000+ is $565 on pricewatch. the 3.06ghz P4 is $555(with some nice HT to boot). keep in mind i use an amd myself, and it is FAR more cost effective, but any-non willamette P4 and AXP is far from sucking (or blowing, or swallowing).

also, yes, i've seen the benches (even had the pleasure of playing around with a Barton) and it seems that AXP is better for games by far and P4 is better for video and content creation (and some lightwave).

WhoGivesARatsAss

March 11th, 2003, 06:40 AM

Never Ask This Question On Any Forum Ever.. (/kidding)

but really AMD w/ nforce2 is awesome shit.. if u are looking for an amd processor w/ fucked up Via chipset.. then forget abt the whole deal and get a p4.. Via sucks my dick.. with all the testing that i was able to conduct in my short time with AMD.. only 40% of the games worked.. now i don't know the exact reasons but here was the pc

via kt400 crap mobo w/ athlon xp 1800+.. all set to default fsb and clock speeds etc etc..

and it wasnt even fast enuff compared to a 1.6 gig p4..

both used ddr266 ram and all.. so ram wasnt an issue..

fresh installs of XP on both of them and no shitty s/w loading in startup trays or background etc..

My suggestion would be to get an amd processor (whichever ghz) w/ asus A7N8X mobo and ur life will be at peace for a long long while.. :)

Yian

March 11th, 2003, 10:27 AM

No techinal data required! Just look it into the real life! My friend has a P4 1.8 Ghz, and his computer is obviously slower than mine rig. Not the games (unfair, since I have 9700 pro), but othe applications such as photoshop, 3ds max, Word, and even IE...

...and I'm not even using Athlon XP. I have a THUNDERBIRD 1.2 Ghz! Read this! No matter what the papers tell you, even thunderbird at 1.2 beats P4 at 1.8 in practice! AMD rules...

... and it overheats, too. It was a 1.4 Ghz Thunderbird. Hangs way too often so I toned it down... Maybe P4 beats AMD on this one...?

Method1

March 13th, 2003, 06:28 AM

gaad! now i'm also stumped, should i get a p4 2.0+ ghz or an athlon xp.

sushi128

March 13th, 2003, 06:11 PM

P4 2.0ghz or AXP at what??? it's a fairly simple question of how much money you have.

ReDeeMeR

March 14th, 2003, 09:53 PM

Well I'm not sure maybe if you live somewhere in a hot countr ythen heat can be a oain, BUT AMD DOES NOT OVERHEAT IF YOU DO NOT OVERCLOCK IT!!!!

But if you want to o/c you better have some load of fans sucking and blowing air in and out of your case, otherwise you wont go far.... myself I got nice humble OC of 1930mhz necause I have normal ATX high tower cheap case so I just leave it open.... (and I'm still pretty happy) with it and yes it does out preform any P4 machine with 2,4Ghz sometimes I get better results then P4 2,5Ghz - I use 3DMark result pages for that ;)

Yian

March 14th, 2003, 11:17 PM

AMD chips gets hot easily but they do that ALL THE TIME... which means it feels hot but it does no harm to the performance. A lot of people felt the chip gets hot QUICKLY then they think AMD chips overheat. It isn't quite true. I know that thunderbird series sometimes hangs but Athlon XP shouldn't overheat at all if you don't overclock them...(ReDeeMer got them all...!:D)

About leaving the case open... emmm.... that's actually how you gather all the dust. I never care about the dust untill one day it killed my graphcs card...

sushi128

March 14th, 2003, 11:47 PM

the problem is, when amd's overheat because of say, too much voltage, they keep goin til they fry themselves to death. intel's have the thermal diode, which turns the cpu off when it gets too hot. now, modest o/c's won't fry either cpu's, but an intel has a generally higher chance of surviving a stupidly high overclocked speed.

Yian

March 14th, 2003, 11:50 PM

I think you just answered one of the biggest mysteries in my life... my friend's mobo fried three chips in a row (they are rich so don't worry abou it) but none of us could figure out why...

WhoGivesARatsAss

March 17th, 2003, 05:00 AM

I fried my gf2 mx 400.. i wish they had the anti fry mechanisms like FX so that my first experience ever with a gf2 didnt become a disaster.. oh well.. bring on the radeon 9700

as for AMD processors.. from what i have read and even seen.. an Athlox XP does need an extra fan in the casing or better if u can get a better copper fin type thingie for these puppies.. and they wont hurt u ever..

lastly, intels stock cooling rocks.. whereas AMD stock cooling is plain stupid.. i remember my p 2 having such cooling.. damn cant they put a better fan.. i am talking about 1800+ XP.. dunno about the new processors though..

ReDeeMeR

March 17th, 2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Yian
AMD chips gets hot easily but they do that ALL THE TIME... which means it feels hot but it does no harm to the performance. A lot of people felt the chip gets hot QUICKLY then they think AMD chips overheat. It isn't quite true. I know that thunderbird series sometimes hangs but Athlon XP shouldn't overheat at all if you don't overclock them...(ReDeeMer got them all...!:D)

About leaving the case open... emmm.... that's actually how you gather all the dust. I never care about the dust untill one day it killed my graphcs card...

No actualy if you leave the case open you will have less dust!

The dust comes in via ventilators usualy when they are sucking air in, but it doesnt come out even if you have ventilators sucking air out, but if you have the case doors open the dust usualy goes out. I checked tht myself!

ReDeeMeR

March 17th, 2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by sushi128
the problem is, when amd's overheat because of say, too much voltage, they keep goin til they fry themselves to death. intel's have the thermal diode, which turns the cpu off when it gets too hot. now, modest o/c's won't fry either cpu's, but an intel has a generally higher chance of surviving a stupidly high overclocked speed.

Well if you overlock yeah, if you dont overclock then no, but Intel chips die alot more then AMD from overclocking, it's called "Intel's sudden death" there is no way to protect urself from it, some chips just die, no heat no anything, just wont boot one day.

Plus with newest motherboards there are "Thermal auto shutdown" so if say your cpu reaches 70C motherboard shut's down.

ReDeeMeR

March 17th, 2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
I fried my gf2 mx 400.. i wish they had the anti fry mechanisms like FX so that my first experience ever with a gf2 didnt become a disaster.. oh well.. bring on the radeon 9700

as for AMD processors.. from what i have read and even seen.. an Athlox XP does need an extra fan in the casing or better if u can get a better copper fin type thingie for these puppies.. and they wont hurt u ever..

lastly, intels stock cooling rocks.. whereas AMD stock cooling is plain stupid.. i remember my p 2 having such cooling.. damn cant they put a better fan.. i am talking about 1800+ XP.. dunno about the new processors though..

ALL stocl cooling sux, intel and AMD's both suck, just buy cpu's without the cooling and then buy real good cooling.

sushi128

March 17th, 2003, 05:50 PM

wow, you haven't worked with intel cpu's much, have you? rather, i suspect you haven't tried to overclock a P4(for on a P3, i'd say indeed you are correct). you know about the 1.6a northy's, right? most everybody i know have gotten them 2.2ghz+ on stock cooling. but that's hearsay, so here:
http://www.cpudatabase.com/CPUdb/

look it up. read the descriptions, and i was surprised that one of them even got to 2.8ghz. stability? don't think i need to argue that intels are more stable than amds.

and yes, intel's do suddenly die, but not from heat, which was what the post i was responding to was talking about.

Method1

March 17th, 2003, 08:43 PM

and yes, intel's do suddenly die,

what do u mean?

WhoGivesARatsAss

March 17th, 2003, 10:52 PM

Sushi... can u help me with overclocking my p4 1.8A and my mobo? if yes then all i need to know is which bios to use etc.. and which cooling should i buy and all.. and basically every fucking thing i need to get this puppy rockin'

sushi128

March 18th, 2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Method1
what do u mean?

"Intel's sudden death"

it's called "Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome" (and has been carried over to the new amd's, coincidentally named "Sudden Tbred Death Syndrome")

like redeemer described, this has the symptoms of SIDS. that is, no symptoms at all. it's rare (i've never experienced it; but i can't speak for the whole community). if u care at all to read, here's an entire thread devoted to people who have fallen prey to this:
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115166

seems like it's only if you overclock it, and even then uncommon. alas, the risk u take in voiding warranty :)