Opinions about 9/11.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by cr3am
...Did it start any wars?


Allthough you allready apologized for it, I still think your reasoning is a bit off. 9/11 didn't start a war. America and the rest wanted a war on terrorism for a long time. This more an excuse. Now we know it turned out to be an excuse to fight almost every potential "enemy" of the American power greed.
But that's not what THIS thread is about so, done.


Originally posted by Docta Beeeer
The United States deserved the atttacks and they deserve more of them. I have no sympathy. The US can burn in hell.

OMG dude, how the FUCK can you say that? I know the US government has done some really fucked up shit but you think it is justified to take your revenge out on the innocent citizens of that country? You can't be serious right?

Originally posted by ghiop
A wakeup call. Well geez. We sure have learned the error of our ways now, haven't we? No better way to stop intervention in foreign affairs then to spur the "War on Terrorism."

I'll confess that I'm slightly curious about something--at what point is it OK to intervene?
Just give me a rundown on some of these--
World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Nicaragua, Iraq, Somalia, Liberia, Afghanistan. There's a lot more, yeah.
Here's the thing--no one deserved to die on 9/11/01. No one. And I think there is something seriously wrong with your humanity if you think they did. Especially if you're hoping for more.

There's a certain amount of ideology I can accept. I believe that the US helped create the feelings in Al Qaeda that led to them attacking. I'll accept that. I will not, however, accept the notion that the firefighters who went into those towers to save people deserved to die because of America's foreign policy. I will not accept that the people who climbed onto planes that morning deserved to die because America has superpower mentality. That idea is, quite frankly, sick.
It's interesting how it's alright to accept US innocent deaths, but you're apparently mad about other nations' innocents' deaths.
If you espouse an eye for an eye like that, everyone would go blind. Better blind, though, than hoping, as you are, for more innocent people to die.

The families and loved ones are in my thoughts.

BRAVO!

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Hitman
Well you think by now that people would learn.. America was attacked at Pearl Harbor and look what happened, the "sleeping giant" was awakened and the tides of the war were turned.. Japan surrendered because of 2 nukes and that was that... we were at peace until once again we were attacked and so once again we struck outward with undeniable force.. me personally I would have learned from the first lesson, if the Taliban hadn't bothered us we wouldn't have bothered them.. as for Iraq, well the people of Iraq will be better off once their country is rebuilt, I don't see how people say we are wrong for attacking them when they violated so many policies, their own people were being tortured by the very people who ruled the land and yet we're wrong for trying to give them freedom. I say maybe if people would do some homework and find out what was really going on over there they would appreciate what the US and it's allies are doing in Iraq.. the same very people who say we are wrong are enjoying their freedom, their freedom of speech, religion or whatever it may be but yet we are wrong for wanting to give the people of Iraq freedom, I think not.. just because things over there are not in the best of conditions at the moment it doesn't mean they aren't going to be that way.. give us and the UN time and everything will be good to go.

Sorry for the long post but I couldn't find a break... sorry for changing the topic here also, i'm through with this post now.

Allthough a bit off topic here, I must say there are some parts you left out. The "sleeping Giant" wasn't awoken in the sixties but still it decided that it should "protect" the world from Communism and attacked North-Vietnam. During the cold war, the giant was also left alone but still it chose to covertly attack any form of Communism by for instance supplying the oppsoing force with arms, training and funding. (Note that these things are NOW being used against the Giant)

As for Irak, you are right when you say that these people need to be liberated. And offcourse it's very noble of the US to do that, were it not that Bush doesn't wage this war because of that reason.

[Hobbes874]

Fact: John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial planes 3 months before the attacks.
Makes you wonder what our goverment is really doing and how much their not telling us.

[ghiop]

Originally posted by Hobbes874
Fact: John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial planes 3 months before the attacks.
Makes you wonder what our goverment is really doing and how much their not telling us.

I don't really see that as convincing proof of anything. Quite frankly, I'd be surprised to see him flying on commercial planes at all. In fact, if you trace it back three months, that's early June. He didn't take his position until late January. So, for a little over 4 months, the man still thought he was an ex-Senator, or Senator, or whatever.

[Shadow]

LOL

cr3am was talking about me saying "WTF America, why do you expet everyone to mourn for you, and don't even notice how Canada lost a greater number of people [in precentage] in the Flight 182 bombing" and cr3am answered with the
"did it start any wars".

The answer, obviously, is No, and I'm for that - it shows that Canadians aren't willing to blaim and hunt down others.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by ghiop
I don't really see that as convincing proof of anything. Quite frankly, I'd be surprised to see him flying on commercial planes at all. In fact, if you trace it back three months, that's early June. He didn't take his position until late January. So, for a little over 4 months, the man still thought he was an ex-Senator, or Senator, or whatever.
So that automatically means that he doesn't go anywhere?

[ghiop]

No, he flies private, I imagine. DOJ has private planes. All the agencies do.

[ihateyou]

It makes me happy cause America can be defeated, and it makes me sad cause thousands of worthless people died

[ghiop]

Originally posted by ihateyou
thousands of worthless people died

Worthless? That's an interesting choice of words.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by ihateyou
It makes me happy cause America can be defeated, and it makes me sad cause thousands of worthless people died we lost? worthless people?

You can type now, but I'm not sure it's better this way... at least we couldn't understand you before... :p:p

[SaintDL]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Allthough a bit off topic here, I must say there are some parts you left out. The "sleeping Giant" wasn't awoken in the sixties but still it decided that it should "protect" the world from Communism and attacked North-Vietnam. During the cold war, the giant was also left alone but still it chose to covertly attack any form of Communism by for instance supplying the oppsoing force with arms, training and funding. (Note that these things are NOW being used against the Giant)

As for Irak, you are right when you say that these people need to be liberated. And offcourse it's very noble of the US to do that, were it not that Bush doesn't wage this war because of that reason.


but its wrong. they don't try to get something out of a war and do something in the meantime and also to make themselve look noble whereas they do it dirty.

those americans do NOT deserve to die on 9/11.
but look at vietnam does it really need help. after so many lives fighting a war that DOES NOT belong to US, vietnam is still nowhere near democratic.

and before the 9/11 incident, US officials went to North Korea to encourage the president to launch a war and unify korea. US promised to send troops for assistance. when reporters questioned the commanders they said that the boys were trained for highly skilled operations but the world doesn't need them. they need action, they want to have smething to stretch their hands on.

well then i guess those soldiers have something to start a war for, something to throw bombs on innocent people for. it isn't right for al qeada to kill americans but is it right to kill off innocents just because you hate terrorist and they are the same race as terrorist?

you don't do dirty acts like that and start another war without good reasons, and justify what you did with "we liberate iRaq and they will be living better lives once this blows over". no you cannot just say something which sounds right but doesnt apply to the situation to make yourself look better. its not going to help. you do not go into other people's house, you do not go into the house of a man who had cancer kill him because you think he wants to kill you, and once you know its a mistake you said well i rid him of the suffering he doesnt need to be suffering from cancer anymore. i'm a hero.

you don't fucking say things like that.

yes, good americans are plenty. and i realise its true that its easy for evil to succed, all it takes is for good people toi do nothing.

this applies not on US to Iraqm
but the americans to US government.

this war with Iraq happens because the people allow it to. because the people agree with going with thw war even though they cannot find the chemical weapons they believed to exist in Iraq.

[SaintDL]

pardon the typo

and what US psychological teams does to US citizens.

when people are protesting they say things like where were you people when 911 happen? where were you when thousands of our people died?

in Iraq many people died everyday because of Saddam. now we were doing a right thing. do you know what can happen if those weapons are used against us?

now i was citing an example of what mainly those stuffs are.
by doing these the government make use of the people's sympathy of human lifes. they make use of the citizens' feelings. they want them to feel like: what the hell when they kill our people we weren't protesting, when we're gonna start a war with them we protest? are american lives that cheap?"

so that's one point to the government. the people now agrees this is better to start the war against iraq. now what will become of iraqi lives? in a war people dies.
and i need no one to remind me of what happen in iraq those people pretend to surrender and killing Us marines.

in a war this is how thigns goes. US have the planes, the people, the tanks, what have iraq got? they're trying everything they can to win the war and defend their country. why be loyal to Saddam? so if everyone of you have a conscience that US government is dirty in someways how do you remain loyal and stern in YOUR beliefs in the war. imagine what US will do if all the rest of the world wanna invade it. it will do things like that too.

its not "they're plain evil and just wanna kill as much of us as possible those sonuvabitch". no its not that. its not "they arent even loyal to Saddam they just wanna kill us they're fuckers"

NO! fucking not that. its the feeling of not wanting a foreigner bust into your country order you to surrender and telling how your government should be set up, how you should live.

if the rest of the world were to invade Us this is what US will do. why am i citing the example of the rest of the wrold? some might ask. its not off topic. conpare, will you guys. america fighting a war with iraq is like having a overwhelming odds in military might. its like the world against US.

noble or not, its true its noble. but the nobility is fake and just a cover story for the government with its dirty acts. you cn accept SUCH nobility? you can close a eye to what US did to other people's country just because afghan killed your people? and speaking so boldly of God when fighting a war with two muslim countries just doesnt cut it. he obviously wanna put the pressure on every muslim countries. it isn't fair to treat all muslims as terrorist because a muslim attacked your planes.

and is the government doing anything about their own people having more and more prejudices against muslims? NO.
as far as it goes, nuff said. i will fucking hate the US government for the rest of my life. if the good americans are out there you should stop america from doing anymore endeavors like this. its spoiling the image of america.

why is it not possible that america will go nasty? germany was the war hero in WWI mind you. impact of Muslims goes to America like Jews goes on Germans. were fighter planes not doing that in afghan bombing innocents. oh yeah. with all that top notch technology and skilled pilots itching for war they could miss right, yeah i believe ya... NOT!!!!

[SaintDL]

Originally posted by ihateyou
It makes me happy cause America can be defeated, and it makes me sad cause thousands of worthless people died

worthless? no one is worthless. even a sonuvabitch like you who could say this.
no jews, no germans, no russians, no chinese, no americans or muslims, no indians are fucking worthless.

NO ONE IS FUCKING WORTHLESS YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by ihateyou
It makes me happy cause America can be defeated, and it makes me sad cause thousands of worthless people died
How do you define someone as being useful? and how do you define someone as being worthless?

[Odm]

Originally posted by Hobbes874
Fact: John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial planes 3 months before the attacks.
Makes you wonder what our goverment is really doing and how much their not telling us. Fact: Rich people prefer private planes!

[Odm]

Originally posted by Shadow
LOL

cr3am was talking about me saying "WTF America, why do you expet everyone to mourn for you, and don't even notice how Canada lost a greater number of people [in precentage] in the Flight 182 bombing" and cr3am answered with the
"did it start any wars".

The answer, obviously, is No, and I'm for that - it shows that Canadians aren't willing to blaim and hunt down others. What was the flight 182 bombing? I don't know much about our history

[TopSecretBoy]

This is my opinion:

We were attacked. And now we should kill every fucking person who is against us.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Odm
What was the flight 182 bombing? I don't know much about our history

If you're an American, this is proof of what I'm talking about.

[future man]

He's not American you stupid fuck, even I'm American and I know what it was.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by Odm
Fact: Rich people prefer private planes!
Fact: Not all rich people fly private planes!

[Odm]

Shadow, I'm Canadian, but the only period I know is the fur trading period. I'm sorry that I live outside of Canada for long periods of time and don't know that much about Canadian History.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by future man
He's not American you stupid fuck, even I'm American and I know what it was.

Meh.

[Odm]

Well sorry but a third of my life was spent outside of North America... What happened and when? (please answer, I feel like an idiot)

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by future man
He's not American you stupid fuck, even I'm American and I know what it was.
Same here

[Odm]

Am I the only one who doesn't know about it???

[Docta Beeeer]

I apologize for my harsh words. It's just that I hate all the coverage on it when similar incidents that happen in other countries don't receive as much.

[blind_mad_cow]

ok, i just found this out...i am not taking sides nor am i wanting to change an oppion. but i did find this out and you might look into it to make sure for yourself.

3 months before we went to war w/iraq, there were 3 ships sitting just off the coast...they were reported to have docked and then they just disappeared off of the face of the earth when they went back out to sea. I was also told that it was confirmed that Sadam's police escorted what (ever it was) onto the ships and then left. could it have been womd?

i surely dont know, but i am just guessing yes.

i wont be replying to whatever you write about this so dont ask a question to me...it is something a guy in tied to politics told me.

[Digital Pimp]

I heard the same thing Cow. Makes you really think. I wonder if its true? If so, than where are the ships. They would have had to refuel and get ammenities by now. If they docked to do these said things than where did they dock, who let them dock, and many other questions rise from this. Where did they go after? Where are they now? Many questions that may never be answered.

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by ihateyou
It makes me happy cause America can be defeated, and it makes me sad cause thousands of worthless people died

LOL, you're way of "seeing world" is god damn funny "worthless people" sheesh

Plus how does that prove that america can be defeated?

[Dying_Corpse]

fact: I read like 4 posts and then i said to myself ''HAHA, they're talking about that again''