Directx9

[Bluu]

my friend and i have the same tv tuner card...he installed dx9 and now his tv tuner doesn't work properly...he has a geforce4 4400 128 and i have a geforce2mx400 32... should i install dx9 or is it really not required?

[Magical Fruit]

You don't need it. Your card doesnt even support dx9. I dont know why your friend's card got all screwy though.

[Yian]

Even if you have some cards that do support DX9, they are the first generation cards such as 9700 or GFX. They usually suck with the thing. In 3DMark03, DX9 sometimes gives you missing or corrupt textures! (see full report in firingsquad's website.) MS introduced some new stuff in DX9 and I think that's causing some problem. They will probably fix it soon.

[ZANDAMORPHIS]

MAN IT SUCKED

i installed dx9...and after that all my games would crash...fuck i was pissed... i didnt know how to uniinstall it and go back so i eventually was fed up with it and went back to dx8 by reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling winxp...fuckin sucked man

[Freakonaleash89]

I have DX9 and the only game that crashes now is Battefield 1942. And then only occasionally. I know if I wiped my hard drive and reinstalled everything it would probably fix it but... too lazy. DX9 is fine I think. Besides don't some games require it now?

[ReDeeMeR]

I installed it without any probs or changes.

[sushi128]

look, u should all install Dx9. games will use it. doesn't matter if your card isn't %100 compatible, apps that use it will still need to know what Dx8 or Dx7 functions to use in place of it. you've seen geforce MX's play Dx8 games, right? don't think they'll work that way unless u have Dx8 installed :)

[ReDeeMeR]

^ What he said :D

[RAY16]

I installed it, and i'm having no problems at all. In fact, new games will be requiring it soon. Freelancer requires DX9 to be installed.

[sushi128]

i didn't know that, since i installled Dx9 before i installed freelancer...

anyway, Dx9 won't be used for a while. the shaders are the same really, just different in the way they're called up by the app, i believe. but hey, 3Dmark jumped 30pts with it, so i'm happy.

besides, Dx8.1 wasn't mainstream until several months ago, and can u remember how long it's been since Dx8 supported hardware first came out??? ages.......

[Freakonaleash89]

I always get the newest for some reason I dont even think abou it.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

DX9 here also running w/o any probems.. also why do ppl even fucking care abt 3dmarks.. (no offense) but 500 more 3marks dont even give u 2 fps increase.. damn!..

[sushi128]

3Dmarks is a game in itself. tweak and tweak and tweak. like playing tetris. the high score, right?

now let ME gripe about how i don't understand why people gripe about MADonions. we treat 3Dmark like a game! it's not ABOUT IQ, it's not ABOUT stability(well, it kinda is); it's ABOUT FPS. that's %90 of the GAME. game companies have bashed and praised 3Dmark many times over; and we've all come to realize it definitely does NOT represent real world performance. but u know what? gettin a 15fps gain in UT2k3 doesn't mean you'll be that much faster in Unreal 2, now does it? :)

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Exactly.. in Hardforum.com people are crying that i dont have 500 more 3dmarks.. wtf man.. u dont get shit for 500 more 3dmarks in games..

[Bluu]

thanks a lot guys...now i'm totally confused!

but i guess i won't be going for it just yet...especially since u cannot unistall it

[sushi128]

well, because at [H]ardforum, the "game" of choice is 3Dmark. now i don't know if they would be crying; but you certainly sholdn't be bashing them for taking it seriously (just as you might take.....say unreal or quake seriously).

i'm not attacking u, just the notion that 3Dmark is still a benchmark is kinda dated.

[ReDeeMeR]

[H] is extremely biased towards Intel..

[sushi128]

because intel's overclock better. i remember 2-3 years ago when the there the was the surge in anti-willamette mentallity (and with merit; those willy's were pretty damn horrible). it's no news that [H]ard is extremely biased, but their slant favors the better side generally (they haven't said one good word about nvidia lately).

[Rhenna]

DirectX 9.0a is available now. Apparently there WERE some people having issues with the first DX9 release, according to Microsoft. As for MadOnion benchmarking: while it DOES provide a way to compare platform A with platform B, and it DOES use a real game engine, it most certainly DOES NOT resemble real game performance as everything is just a series of scripted events; the engine isn't doing any prediction or collision detection, nor any AI activity, or anything else that could be described as 'dynamic'. I think it's a valid benchmarking tool, but not a way to determine if your PC will rock with "Max Payne", as one example. (Where is Max these days, anyway?)

[sushi128]

hmmmm....that avatar........

anyway, it DID determine (sorta) how well your computer would run max payne cause it specifically used the Max FX engine :)

heh, i get your point, but the scripted events were dynamic (again, sorta) because the scripts didn't detail the physics. the physics were calculated in real time, therefore "kinda" dynamic. there was a real big dispute when somebody caught an eye on a barrel in 3Dmark 2k1 that sometimes would be knocked over and sometimes wouldn't. somehow, people thought that barrel would effect the score tremendously.....

[IkYiolul]

bring it back to the old times when T&L was developing. You had to wait till the Radeon series to get a damn decent card that supported it and functioned nearly flawlessly!