Protest This.... F@&KERS

[NiteWing74]

Check this shit out.

I went to the store earlier tonight.

There were about 40-50 people protesting outside the store because the store had a sign in the window that said "Proud Sponsor of the US Armed Forces"!

I got out of my truck, walked towards the store and got stopped by the ugliest bitch I've EVER seen in my life. She says;

"Your not going in this store are you?"

I said, yeah... I got things to buy and they got shit to sell.

She says, "Do you see that sign in the window?!"

I said Yeah. So? I support the Military too. I trained some of them.

She looks at me for a minute. Then she turns around and yells out to everybody, "This guy LIKES war... He says he TRAINED our people to kill innocents!!"

I couldn't help but laugh. She tried to smack me with her fucking sign. I broke it in two. Her husband or boyfriend or whatever ran over and tried to hit me. He, uh... fell on his ass.

I continued walking into the store.

After I was done, I started to leave the store and the asshole protesters blocked my way. The were chanting some bullshit about Bush and War and Peace. It was disgusting.

Then this other moron asks me why I suport the military and the governments decision to attack a country that hasn't done anything to us.

I asked him a question in response;

Where were you when Islamic Fundamentalist Extremists attacked the USA on 9-11?

He said, "I was a t work.. what does that have to do with anything?"

I said, "Nothing, but did you leave work to protest against Osama when that happened?"

He said "Of course not"

I said, "Why not? His group killed over 3000 INNOCENT people and continues to make plans to kill more."

He said, "That's not fair!! I felt bad for those people!! They didn't deserve that and Osama should be executed for his crimes!!"

I said, "Why?"

He said, "Because he's EVIL and he wants all Americans dead! Nobodys safe until he's gone!"

By now everybody had shut up and was listening to our arguement.

I said, "OK... Osama is Evil, because he wants all Americans dead. Osama should be dead because our people didn't deserve to die the way they did. If Osama was killed tomorrow you would be happy about that, right?"

He says, "yeah! That would be great news!"

So I said, "Then think about this. Osama wants us all dead. Sadam has said ALL Americans are infidels and should be dead. Osama is a monster because he killed 3000 innocents. Sadam has killed over 15000 innocents in his OWN country in the last 12 years. Osama is a terrorist. Sadam is a barbarian, a torturer, a sadist, AND a dictator. You know what a dictator is, right? Ever heard of Hitler? OK. Tell me how Sadam is deserving of life and how he poses no threat to anyone..."

He just stares at me. Silently.

So I say, "Would you live in Iraq?"

He says "No"

I say, "Why?"

His answer....... "No Freedom"

I said Thank You. and walked away.

My personal messege to all protesters everywhere....

Go home. Find the dullest butterknife in the drawer. Take it in the bathroom. Hold it up to the mirror. Now look at it.

IF IT'S SHARPER THAN YOU, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING RIGHT PROTESTING ANYTHING.

Goddamn ungrateful misinformed chickenshit motherfuckers. Don't all you protester motherfuckers remember school????? This country was founded on the blood of people who were willing to lay down their lives to preserve freedom. Just because you have it, doesn't mean we stop striving for it and leave the rest of the world to bastards like Sadam.

I have kids. I want them to remember that freedom isn't something your given on a silver platter. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT WHEREEVER AND WHENEVER YOU CAN.

[Smapdey]

I'm going to argue with you, saying that, while this country was founded by men and women who gave up there lives it was for the freedom, the freedom you protect(ed), to say stupid shit like that. Funny huh?

I think that warprotesting is worthless. You need to actually do something, not walk around with a bunch of fucking signs.

[Freakonaleash89]

I just hope we kill alot of bad Iraquis and everyone gets to come home soon. And fuck the protestors! Those fuckers, im not even getting into why you know why they are fuckers Nitewing.

[Yian]

I don't think these war protesters had seen anything themselves. War must be fought when it is necessary! Saddam supports terrorist all aroung the world to go against America, and if we want to even just secure our nation from any further big attacks from the fuckers, Saddam is the first that has to be picked on!

[wangstramedeous]

HAHA. Did that guy really fall on his ass?

But you are right in many ways. A lot of people are ignorant of what EXACTLY is happening and are just complaining because they can. I love the way you silenced the crowd.

[Marc]

I am against the war. I think we dont have enough reasons to go into there. I mean, why now ? Why not 10 years ago during Desert Storm ? I hate Bush.

[Rhenna]

12 years ago we had a mandate from the friggin' allmighty and infallible UNITED stinkin' NATIONS to toss the Iraquis' out of Kuwait, NOT to invade Iraq. People don't seem to remember that. So, we did what the UN permitted, and, in a way, this is the result. I'm all for people having the right to assemble and express themselves, but from what I've experienced personally these last 2 days, about 90% of these people are clueless, and worse; they're insincere. A great deal of this doesn't have anything to do with abhorrence of war or any regard for innocents, it has to do with American politics. 90% of these cretins want to count those Florida votes just once more; maybe they'll get lucky.

[Odm]

If you don't like the sheperd, why kill the flock? I think it's pointless to protest against the war, but I don't like it. If there were definitely weapons of mass destruction, I might agree with the war, but there is no proof. It's just America exercising its military might upon the innocent (though admittedly not just the innocent)

[NiteWing74]

I respect your opinions and because of that I respect your right to disagree;

However, as I pointed out before... I know we have no documented evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What we do have is a dictator that has repeatedly blocked attempts to prove this. I maintain that if Sadam did NOT have anything to hide, WHY would he block the UN Inspectors (remember, his country is SUPPOSEDLY a contributing member of the UN) efforts to vindicate him? The only COMMON SENSE reason that he would deter the UN from inspecting weapons and manufacturing facilities is because he HAS some to hide.

I would also ask you this simple question:

If you were walking down the street and saw a crowd surrounding a man that is brutally beating another man. The crowd would like to help the injured man, but they are afraid of retribution. Now, YOU have the strength to help the weaker man and in the process you can prevent the stronger man from hurting anyone else.

Do you;

A) Stand and watch, the whole time complaining about how inhumane and terrible the "bad" guy is.

B) Ask the "bad" guy to stop hurting the weaker people and treat them in a more humane and fair manner.

C) Knock the "bad" guy on his ass and let him know in no uncertain terms that you will NOT allow him to continue hurting and killing people just because he's the same nationality as them and you are not.

D) Get rid of the bad guy completely, letting the crowd and especially the weaker man know that you may not be the same skin color or religion as them, but you STILL will not allow the needless suffering they are constantly enduring.


Before you answer;

A- is the answer that those who just need something to bitch about would give. These are the same people that turn a BLIND eye to the thousands upon thousands of deaths this monster has caused since coming to power.

B- is the answer most protesters would probably give because it would mean they tried and they can sleep at night knowing they gave it their "best shot"...

C- is the answer the UN and those that agree with them are likely to give. WE DID THIS ALREADY... 12 YEARS AGO... AND THE SONOFABITCH CONTINUES HIS LONG TRADITION OF IGNORING THAT SAME UN.

D- This is where we are now. I don't like it. I think war is difficult to justify in most circumstances, but there is a time for asking. There is a time for telling. There is a time for warning. And there is a time to finally say, enough is enough.

I say enough is enough. I'm sorry that so many people feel that we should allow the attrocities to continue. Maybe if some of them had been there and seen the living conditions of the average Iraqi citizen, they would change their mind. I have seen it. I've talked to Iraqi people, in the desert and in the small villages that are constantly raided and used as testing grounds for Sadams troops and weapons. They WANT freedom. They NEED freedom, for their sons and daughters. I say, if we can help give it to them, then why shouldn't we?

Peace

[Yian]

NiteWing, nice analysis. By anychance you can say something about North Korea?

[Odm]

Yes, but you should you save that man while your sons are starving, while another person is being even more brutally tortured? And I'm sorry, but that metaphor isn't realistic. Is it better to beat the crap out of this person, or imprison them? What I dislike is that many Americans think that violence is the answer to the world's problems.

[NiteWing74]

And I dislike that too many people think that standing by and watching the world go to hell is the answer to the Worlds problems...

go figure.

and yes, I think we should be taking care of our own too, but that doesn't mean we should forsake all others... that is the most selfish thing I've heard in a long time.

[NiteWing74]

North Korea, eh?

OK, I'll try.

North Korea hasn't been in the news as much as Iraq lately, but I do have a few opinions on the situation there.

NORTH Korea says the situation on the Korean Peninsula was deteriorating to the "brink of a nuclear war" because of US-South Korean war games.

And in its first official response to the war on Baghdad, North Korea called the military action in Iraq "a grave encroachment upon sovereignty".
It also accused the US of planning to attack North Korea after Iraq.

Tensions have run high since October, when the United States said North Korea admitted having a secret nuclear program.

I think Kim Jong needs to relax. We have been allies with South Korea for some time now and our participating in "war games" with them doesn't mean we are going to invade.

I am hesitant to say we SHOULD go after North Korea right now. Only because, since they do have nuclear wepons (and that has been confirmed), they pose a much greater risk to the world if an all-out war were to occur.

I do think that Kim Jong wuld be wise to take the advice of the MANY nations that have attempted to smooth the road for diplomacy (as I thought Sadam SHOULD have worked through diplomatic channels to avoid the ass kicking he is now receiving).

Diplomacy, in the case of North Korea, has a much better chance to succeed than it did with Iraq. First, because they have much more to lose in an all out battle than Iraq does (the threat of a nuclear response is of course there). Second, while they have been developing nuclear weapons secretly, against the UN charter for their country, North Korea has let this information slip out most likely in an attempt to intimidate South Korea, thus stabilizing the region and keeping them in check.

Coming to the aid of South Korea, IF we are asked, is something I think we should do... It would be hypocritical of us to wage war on a tyrant like Sadam and NOT help out South Korea if they needed it. Brinkmanship is a dangerous game and ultimately no one can win, because even if the bombs fly, both sides are utterly devastated.

Should we have addressed the North Korea problem first? I don't know. I feel that Sadam, Osama, NK are all important world problems that need to be dealt with.

I can't say much more than this on the subject of North Korea because I won't pretend to understand all the angles involved.

But the time to act will come.

Peace

[Yian]

Any one who says that violence is not an answer hold great hope and expectation in humanity, and be honest with you, humanity sucks in most cases. America has done some shit to these countries before, and there is no freaking way Americans can set peace with them without putting down its "BIG BOSS" attitude. But that is not possible, because America needs this attitude to strip away other small countries resource so people can waste them on paper towels, movies, PC games...

US is stronger, and the way to ensure the survival in this world is to get as much resource out of it as possible, and make damn sure we have to power to secure it. I know it sounds mean but this is the real world, we have a military-wise strong nation so we can do whatever we want, but for the best interest on sharing the things we do not have with the others, we don't piss everyone off. The diplomacy betweens the nations are all about business. If you co-operate like Europeans, then we are allies and we share resource and techs, so other countries can't pick on us by taking our resource away.

... and if you decide to mess with our nation by funding the terrorist or try to have a better weapon, you son of bitch mother fuccker get rerady for some serious war.

Back in the days when China was playing with US by pretending to invade Taiwan, Taiwanese tried to arm thmeselves by building some nukes. CIA founded out and screwed all the equipment with cement (a Splinter Cell, it was...) Taiwanese needs nuke to protect themselves, but what if Taiwanese refuse to listen to America anymore? They might strike US with those warheads! That was the reason Taiwanese was not allowed to have nukes.

By the time when Saddam has all the weapons ready, you think they are gonna listen to UN and disarm them? You think this war will still be an easy war when there is enough nukes and UN agrees the attack. That is basically saying "You are not allowed to miss today's class and attend your grandma's funeral unless I see the body of your grandma..." US is doing what they have been doing for years. Getting rid of the problem before it gets too big! Why start thinking about defragmenting your drive when 90% of your drive is fragmented and the drive has less than 15% space, instead of monitoring it every weekend?

When you see a gun pointed at you, you fucking dodge, or shoot him first, instead of saying "maybe it is not loaded... I should not strike without enough evidence suggesting the gun is actually loaded." US can't wait for that! If there are secret nuclear weapons, US will probably find it in Washington D.C. in a state of explosion, instead of Iraq if US doesn't act quickly!

[Yian]

About North Koreans, it is a very tough situation... so much tougher than Iraq, in my opinion.

Fortunately I think North Koreans don't really have the guts to do anything stupid. I'm an Asian so I know what comes first on the priority list. If they can make such a big news out of this thing, 90% they are just trying to scare US so they get some fuel.

But let's assume they actually mean business...

Even without nukes, North Koreans have the forth largest army in the world, despite the fucked up economy they have. US can pick on small dip-shit like Iraq easily, but really should think twice to deploy troops to North Korea if US is no determined to do it no matter what, even at the expense of the loss of many , many, many soldiers...

There are actually some US troops in South Korea, right now, and in my opinion, North Koreans will pick on them first if it really goes to war. The American troops in South Korea will probably be wiped out completely if they don't surrender in three days if North Koreans actually attack.

But US still can win. After all, US has the most advanced military tech and so much more resource to pull it off. If this war is only between North Korean and US, it is then about how to reduce the casualty, but to bad US has to worry about China, too...

If North Korea is a small country in the middle of nowhere, without any big ally or anything, US probably will just send in the troops. But China is right next to North Korea. If US didn't allow Russians to build a little base in Cuba, why would China allow US to deploy soldiers in North Korea?

This is exactly, I think, why Chinese representative in UN expressed strong disagreement on the matter of US attacking Iraq. They know damn well we might go to North Korea next! Chinese ain't stupid and I bet they are all getting ready to do what they must do, it is only up to how North Koreans and Americans want to solve this matter. I sincerely hope Bush is not a stupid and decide to go attack North Korea disregarding the reaction of China. If a war between China and US breaks out, China won't invade US because it is too expensive to do so, but there is absolutely no fucking way US can win either. Us can easily occupy Iraq, but no one has ever occupied China successfully as far as I know in the last 5000 years.

And hey, if both countries got pissed off and start to nuke each other, this is the end of the damn world. :D

[Odm]

I'm NOT saying we should sit back and watch Saddam wreak havoc, I'm just saying Bush should try solve his country's problems before spending billions on a war. Also, my point is not that people should be pascifist, but that people should use violence only as a last resort. Do you really want MORE Arab fundamentalists and MORE anti-Americans? 9/11 proved to many people that the US is not invincible, so do you think that it won't happen again? Finally, many more innocent people have been killed since 9/11 than on 9/11. I think there should have been more evidence, less forgery, and more time before going to war.

[Odm]

Anyways, I don't think anyone can actually win this argument. I think we can safely say that those protestors are complete idiots, though.

[NiteWing74]

True ODM, very true.

This is an unwinnable argument because it appeals to everyones very different sense of right/wrong.

I appreciate your opinion and as a soldier I Thank You for taking the time to present your point in an intelligent manner instead of flaming and name-calling like so many protesters would.

I find myself PROUD to associate myself with most of the people on ActionTrip because they not only bring fun to gaming, but they are typically well spoken and have something worthwhile to say.


You guys rock.

Let's just hope we can get past the problems that our countries are experiencing and take a few more baby steps toward real world peace.

[NiteWing74]

A quick thought:


If pot were legal and readily available to ANYONE that wanted it worldwide;


Iraqi people: Dude, Sadam needs to chill man...

Sadam: Yeah... **toke**... ok... chill...

Bush: **toke** ... Hey Sadam, how about destroying those weapons, man?...

Sadam: **toke**... well... man I'm hungry.... you send me 1000 bags of Doritos and some Code Red Mountain Dew... ** toke** and I'll destroy a bomb..man...

Bush: **toke** coool.... uh... how bout we build a dorito plant next ot one of your palaces **toke** and uh.... we'll put in a pipeline that brings the Dew right to ya...

Sadam: **toke** you got a deal man! Hey... dudes... go get the keys to the bunkers, man... give em to the prez.... he's bring the Munchables!....

Iraqi people: **toke** Toke**.... whoooohoooooo!!

World Peace..... finally?

[Hobbes874]

Yeah screaming and yelling on the street holding sign's will not stop the war you idiots!!! protestors can drive me crazy, I think it's great that we have freedom of speech and all but sometimes it's just more useful to use that right than other times. some people just need to open their eyes gee.

[Yian]

These people protest before they think! Some people sensed a flaw of diplomacy or holds great ambition to help the innocents by asking peace instead of war... but most of them just got bored and thought "hey protesting is fun!" then jump into it. We need to listen to those intellectuals who would like to share their thoughts on why war is not good, and a statement that is based on facts and practicalness instead of passion! Protesters need a new resolution!

And I got one right here.... the best resolution for everyone... hehehe it solves everythinggggggggggggg............:D

[NiteWing74]

NO FAIR....

I already said pot could work!!

you stole my idea....

lol

[Yian]

Originally posted by NiteWing74
NO FAIR....

I already said pot could work!!

you stole my idea....

lol
Sorry sorry I forgot to mention that... many, many, many credits to NiteWing!

[Shadow]

That guy should be wearing a hoodie.

[future man]

I got my ass beat at school the other day because a whole bunch of dumass kids were having a little protest so i printed up a sign in the computer lab and went and stood by them....it read "We love nazis!" and a big as arrow pointing to them.

[wangstramedeous]

Rofl.

[Yian]

Originally posted by future man
I got my ass beat at school the other day because a whole bunch of dumass kids were having a little protest so i printed up a sign in the computer lab and went and stood by them....it read "We love nazis!" and a big as arrow pointing to them.
That is really smart... it was kind of true though. I bet if they know what Saddam is capable of doing as soon as he gets hold of mass destruction weapons, or bio-shit, he will be even more of a threat than Hitler...

[Odm]

Do you honestly think Saddam could conquer all of Europe? Of course, if this happens after Bush America might sit back and watch again. I think Hitler was genius, but also the most fucked up mind on the planet.

[blind_mad_cow]

hmmmm, this is a very strange thread indeed.

I dont wanna get it fired back up (so to speak), but i do support the war.

as you can see, i am not very capable of writing good replys or letters, but i do try to voice my opinion(which i have the right to(other than some countrys)).

P.S. Protesters SUCK D!CKi

[future man]

Man, when i get my own place, im gonna send all of you tickets to my house, we can play games and get stoned.

[Shadow]

Same thing... different house :D

[SaintDL]

sun tsu once say: by using violence to end another violence, by using war to stop another war; why not?

the thing is politics involved many inplicating measures, and most of them dirty. the fact is many countries have those weapons, china europe US north korea. can we not say US have no intention of installing a US friendly government in iraq getting better oil prices in the future? maybe not now. but the dirty part will come right after victory.

north korea as a matter of fact, throughout history is bloody and ambitious and even now they are. the fact they have been researching mass destruction weapons for decades and bravely admit it means something. why invent the aeroplane when no one on earth wants to fly? they are a better clearer threat to the whole world. whereas Iraq holds a terroist leader and some weapons. not that the weapons are merely little use but that in comparison we should know the bigger threat.

US planes were rumoured to have been tracked by north korean jets scouting. they were attempting to gun down the US bird then. i believe this is recent and most people knows of it. they are aggressive and they're not afraid to show. again why fear the short skinny nerd if ur big strong and know how to take care of urself. this proves they may have researched something better then we have.

not that i'm against all iraqi war. but the measures taken by the US army to take down iraq before north korea is kind of unclear. why give them time and treat them nicely by continuing the food aid to north korea? they want vengence? vengence is taken long ago. now the problem is? oil? scientist reports earth resouces will run out 50 years later. the take on this is high. but politicians have always ignored the thing on SAVE THE EARTH OUR ONLY HOME thing. so getting a low price oil by a US friendly government is likel;y what the government of US will do. SO after that will they take on north korea? now that bush has risen so many dislikes among people all over the world, i say chances are pretty slim. they will try more on diplomatic solutions. and when i say more it means MORE. nuclear, agression not afriad to show. they're one big threat. and US will not likely to take on them recklessly. lets say US will and succeed. americans can find themselves in bigger problems. so you taken down more then 3 nations, u going for us? that is the question UN will ask. and will likely to force US to surrender to a diplomal like: no agressions in 50 years or sumthing like that. which means if anymore of such crazy people araise, US cant take actions. and if the next US president elected is some what warmongaring, then the rest of the world is in deep shit.

again this brings us to the prophecy. so many problems that lead to the inevitbale word-doom. is it fake? is it a bunch of crap. it is sumthing that hit the hearts of peoiple worldwide for centuries, it must hold some truth and truth it does hold. we Are walking towards our doom.

me? i think that this war should be gotten over with and a commonwealth should bne established. concentrating on how to survive in the new world without resoucres. for that day is bound to come and so far we're not with sufficient technology to replace what we do now. maybe we do have but they are expensive and needs NATURAL RESOUCES to construct.

anyways north korea is our next threat, and hiding under the bed or bomb shelther aint gonna hide us from the nuclear weaponry they hold

[AVataRR]

sorry to brush you off SaintDL, but I'd like to pick up on this point:

Originally posted by Yian

..........

This is exactly, I think, why Chinese representative in UN expressed strong disagreement on the matter of US attacking Iraq. They know damn well we might go to North Korea next! Chinese ain't stupid and I bet they are all getting ready to do what they must do, it is only up to how North Koreans and Americans want to solve this matter. I sincerely hope Bush is not a stupid and decide to go attack North Korea disregarding the reaction of China. If a war between China and US breaks out, China won't invade US because it is too expensive to do so, but there is absolutely no fucking way US can win either. Us can easily occupy Iraq, but no one has ever occupied China successfully as far as I know in the last 5000 years.

And hey, if both countries got pissed off and start to nuke each other, this is the end of the damn world. :D

Whell, even if Bush was stupid enough to decide to do it - there's absolutley no way your Congress will approve it. I should point out though that Bush really doesn't want to get down and dirty with North Korea. So the only real catalyst for war is North Korean aggression, though unlikely. Even so, if North Korea were the agressor, I imagine China would work against them, instead of taking their side.

I mean - they can't politically justify taking their side. And if they just sit there doing nothing, the US will surely put military bases in North Korea when they've won. That's the last thing China wants. If they were part of a UN sanctioned coalition force, they'd be able to have a say about what happens in post War North Korea.

[SaintDL]

dat what im saying dude. i didnt know bout the chinese government. and yes the history of china, europe have taken hongkong and taiwan is made up of rebels. so u see, taking china is easy, just that by then US and China will probly have less then 3000 citizens left on each side LOL

and china has lots of mountains lots of trees and lots of fucking holes(did i mention whores)

you can get an orgy party with only 200US dollars, with over 30 fucking horny bitches from mainland. they do anythign for prada!!! and other branded stuffs.

but japan can even eat scat for a meal!!!
oh yeah!!!
....but where am i getting to....dammit....

[Odm]

SaintDL, believe it or not you're supposed to have a reason to fight a war. "We're in the area anyways" is not a reason, and even George Bush thinks so (or at least his advisers).

[SaintDL]

you have to?
oh dear i think i just play CS too much, with the friendly fire on...

[AVataRR]

Originally posted by SaintDL


and china has lots of mountains lots of trees and lots of fucking holes(did i mention whores)

you can get an orgy party with only 200US dollars, with over 30 fucking horny bitches from mainland. they do anythign for prada!!! and other branded stuffs.

but japan can even eat scat for a meal!!!
oh yeah!!!
....but where am i getting to....dammit....

shit dood! if this is true, I'm going there as soon as the semester ends!

[future man]

I hope you like chankers.

[Yian]

I will try not get into this conversation about Chinese... maybe resume posting when someone steer the wheel back to the right direction...? Isn't this thread about protesters...?

[SaintDL]

yeah so... protesters... i heard some women got raped by US marines cos she went up to them saying you shouldnt fight this damn war fuckers.
so threy do her. issat true or a myth?

[SaintDL]

ok so dat was lame.
but i dun watch news on iraq anymore. its a win for US. and bets aint open anymore.

so i bullshit cos u wanna get back at it.

i'm busty, i mean busy watching news on SARS the virus. and yeah i'm going to go to america to spread the virus...

[Hitman]

I totally support the war, being an Ex-Marine myself I would go over there if they called me tomorrow... with that said I don't see anything wrong with the idiots who want to protest as this is a free country, it's their time that they decide to waste not mine or anyone elses, me personally if I go into any area or store and a protestor gets in my face or touches me well i'm going to drop them and hard.. this isn't the 60's or the 70's, after the war is over they will realise that protesting doesn't work anymore, that the government doesn't give a rats ass about what some protestors are chanting, in my view they are all lunatics.
I think they should stop wasting their time and do something positive with it like supporting the troops or the families of the troops over there... I say they make the jail bond so HIGH ass that once these protestor are arrested they will think twice again about leaving their house for such rubbish.

[SaintDL]

Originally posted by Hitman
with that said I don't see anything wrong with the idiots who want to protest as this is a free country, it's their time that they decide to waste not mine or anyone elses, me personally if I go into any area or store and a protestor gets in my face or touches me well i'm going to drop them and hard.. this isn't the 60's or the 70's, after the war is over they will realise that protesting doesn't work anymore, that the government doesn't give a rats ass about what some protestors are chanting, in my view they are all lunatics.
I think they should stop wasting their time and do something positive with it like supporting the troops or the families of the troops over there... I say they make the jail bond so HIGH ass that once these protestor are arrested they will think twice again about leaving their house for such rubbish.


erm but arent u supposed to "dun see anythign wrong with them" like u said?

[Hitman]

lol read it again man.. I don't see anything wrong with what they are doing as long as they don't bring it to me.

[Rhenna]

I've never been in the military, but my dad and oldest brother made a career of that, so I agree very much with Hitman. From what I've seen on the news (TV), and what I saw personally while in New York City for a day visiting someone, I still believe you have two kinds of protesters: Those that have a true, heartfelt aversion to the violence and destruction that war brings, and those that just want to use any opportunity and any excuse to engage in disruption, property damage and civil disobedience. They don't have any real convictions beyond that, save possibly an intense dislike for democracy in general and the U.S. in particular. I respect the rights and beliefs of the first group, I wish I could wade into the second group with the UT bio-rifle. I feel I could provide that group with a new sense of purpose, a new direction, if you know what I mean.

[Downfall]

beautifully stated

[Odm]

Originally posted by Hitman
I say they make the jail bond so HIGH ass that once these protestor are arrested they will think twice again about leaving their house for such rubbish.

I think your government already pays enough for keeping people in jail, and it is taking away their freedom... but whatever

[Hitman]

lol that's your opinion, you're not on the inside so your views are obviously misguided.

[JerraMaya]

ok have u people seen civilian people in hospitals , hospitals are losing there people coz of no supply of medicines , no water ,no food , iraqi people are suffering the most , and this so called Liberation army bullshit invading a couuntry is invading not liberating , they can say v are visiting ,today if someone says i hate my opposition should america come and liberate us thats a stupid reason in democratic goverment and that doesnt mean i like saddam that basterd should taken care off , if those 750 missiles were only aimed for him he would be dead for sure then they can make changes in irag this is not the right way to solve a problem . and about peace activities well they are worried about iraqi people as a human being should be so they protest which is there right my question where are the Weapons of mass distruction which all began this bullshit , saddam is a person who would have used them first of all , now they have reached the capital still nothing used , now US can plant some weapons there and show c v were right which is now everyone thinking , if saddam have used them which was the mosy threatning thing about him he would have used them to buy time for himself but he didnt had any so that was the main proof of weapons of mass distruction not being used means there arent any , the bottom line is there is a proper way and there is teh hard way america have choosen the hard way which is right sometimes but sometimes it brings more destrution with it in the end and effect the relations and cause unstability in the region which is not good in long term

[Yian]

Jerramaya, calm down. Dont you see that Iraqis are finally cheering our troops? They used to fear Saddam so when Saddam urged them to fight, they had to.... but now he is sure gone forever, and Iraqis can now express their true feelings, and obviously we are welcome because they now finally have the taste of freedom... right?

[JerraMaya]

Yian my friend , freedom ok time will tell about freedom that will go along way coz real freedom is when americans leave iraq within 6 to 12 months at most , if they stay there its occupation u agree there just like israel is doing , saddam gone doesnt consern anyone he is gone people are happy coz he was bad i said that b4 but time ahead will decide about there freedom or they are ruled by and in the hands of a super power , my country is in the east of afghanistan and since after the war u know whats going on what was happening when people were stealing things from official buildings still in afghanistan people except kabul are doing these things and no one cares , american troops still there where is the law by them or by the new goverment , anyone can kill u infront of many and they wont say a thing thats not the freedom anyone wanted for afghanistan , nothing is left there except looters and theives and no one go there , and where is osama which started it all maybe dead any evidence nope , so its the past actions and results of american govermant in past war's results show what makes us think of this question , afghanistan is still a poor country with limited food , medicines and speacially LAW and order , so what change america did except feeding its own people there and just staying there , one more thing b4 afghan war people were not growing poppy source of drugs coz they were jailed for life or hanged now this is there main trading and money making source what is going on in there right now CNN and FOX dont show that, people living there know some real facts , all i think that saddam could have been removed throw other ways too like ur own president clinton in this time ordered the assasination of both Saddam and Osama which would have happen if not in weeks than in months coz of lot of prize money offered and countries do had over terrorist our country handed over three main terrorist within two years to US and still FBI and ISI (our secret service) working togather to catch more and for which US is thankful so there many ways to handle a problem fight and war isnt the only, thanks for listening ,anyone dont take this as a negative idea for US it is what people think and ask in a normal argument and i am very calm Yian :D

[Odm]

Jerramaya, please use paragraphs. And Hitman, I'm just saying your government already spends a ridiculous amount on the jail system... You'd violate the protestor's freedom to speak freely if you locked them up. And you're right, I'm not on the "inside", but I don't think I'm deluded because of it...

[Yian]

emmmm...... there is a lot of thing going on outside of US and most American don't know that. What you told me is a good example how our media conceal some news because they thought it is not something positive for the US. Most Americans still think that what they see on the news is everything and there is nothing else going, and so ignorant people could go as far as saying "war is good we kick Iraqi's ass..."

War is bad my friend, but the my generation of people is forgetting the horror of war. US lost 58000 men in Viet Nam... now we have better equipment, better training, and US government think as long as it is good for the US they can wage war everywhere.

We all know that as an American, the collapse of Saddam's regime is onlgy a good news, but we also know that Bush is a crazy ass motherfucker, and he raise this war for his personal reasons: he wants to promote his reputation, wants to be one of the remembered president of US history. He didn't even try to solve the conflict in a peaceful way, all he wanted is war...

In a real world where one string nation pick on the other, where people has little to say over the authority, we are all small people who try to make our way... but when the time is right, I will do something. It might not be, but time will show the impact of our efforts...

[Yian]

Originally posted by Odm
...You'd violate the protestor's freedom to speak freely if you locked them up. And you're right, I'm not on the "inside", but I don't think I'm deluded because of it...
If I think that certain policies must be enforced and if the prrotestors were bugging me during my lunch time, I might as well just locked them all up... :D

[JerraMaya]

Yian that was a very positive thinking from u i really liked it and agree with u, many people from US and People opposite US dont think Positive at all , so lets wait and c what happens in the long term if americans go after over throwing this horror on iraq and changing its goverment into a better one, it would change the think of many who are opposite to US , and US soldiers want that too , so lets hope .

[JerraMaya]

Now about north Korea , i think america should take caution b4 going after N Korean with South korea , coz right now N Korea has very good missile technology and they are backed by China , the goverments and lifestyle of N Korea is just like China and S Korea govermant have US behind them , so if this was starts anytime it will have 75% of chance to turn into a big war might be world war 3

(Paragraph Odm :D ) about missile technology its as good as US except anti missile tech which Patriot is some what porving it , china have made the prototypes of Cruise missiles they are now testing it too , china has also made exact copy of f_16 and F-15 fighters so they are grabing US tech and making there own and when they make anything they make it alot hehe its true china made some fighter aircarfts with no ejection seat coz they say v can produce as much as aircrafts as our pilots need still it was stupid so now they are making and putting ejection seats :D

if this war starts both these country will back there allies and the battle ground will be korea , it may spread afterwards ,US has the advantage of its technology but china has the advantage of its homeground near and its massive military might in land , air and sea so its a very very important for US not to jump in into a another war without any reason , coz right now N korea is a threat to south korea but S korea has US backing them so both , N Korea will have to think twice b4 attacking and US dont need to jump in without any reason ,
In otehr words any false move from any side will turn it into a worse war humanity have ever seen

[Odm]

Yay Jerramaya! Oh and Yian, I'm not against getting stupid protestors to shut up, but the freedom of speech is a keystone of America's culture. One other thing, I don't think ALL protestors should shut up, but they should act sensibly and try not to piss people off or be violent.

[aphremen]

Well this is a whole new issue. Obviously, it would be Stupid with a capital S for Bush to go off and attack N Korea. If anything, I think he should try to hunt down Osama Bin Laden, he does not strike me as a nice man at all, in fact, he seems downright mean!

I also think it would be prudent to try and do something about terrorists operating out of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, etc rather than going after another dictator.

[Odm]

You can't find Osama, at least it would be hella hard. The entire region has pro-fundamentalist people that would take him in... I think after the war the US should focus on rebuilding (both themselves and Iraq)

[aphremen]

My God, how much I would I would like to think Bush would start giving a damn about this country and think about rebuilding it. It ain't gonna happen. We'll just have to wait for regime change. Luckily, this country provides that every four years. As long as the Democrats don't pick Al sharpton as a canidate Bush will be outta there.

[Odm]

The world is really screwed up now. If this war continues the economy will be in the shitter...

[aphremen]

You mean it isn't already?! I work for t-mobile and as far as quota fullfillment goes, most reqions have done about 15%-20% of thier quota. By this time last year, it would have been about 25%-50% of thier quota. According to the trade papers, it's about the same for other mobile phone service providers. The stock market is good but how does that affect things IRL? Things aren't going so well.

[Odm]

I don't know too much about economics... Where do live, aphremen?

[aphremen]

Maui, HI. We usually see things pretty simply here. The economy is driven by tourism, so when the economy is down, noone comes, hard times follow. After 9/11 things really sucked here, Americans didn't want to leave home, and Foreigners didn't want to come here. After about a week into the war, advance bookings in hotels dropped signifigantly (for some reason they tell the papers about that...I don't know why) although people are still showing up, it means less people in the future.

As far as activations for my company goes, it tells me that if activations are down, there aren't as many people who are willing to bet that they'll have enough money for a cell phone for a year. IE: afraid of losing job, getting pay cut, etc.

Given that this is tax refund season, it should be pretty darned good but it seems people are afraid of the future and that's hurting the economy overall. The trend might be changing though, seeing as the stock market is recovering, that means people are buying up stocks, and investors have at least some faith that things will pick up. I dunno, I don't understand much either, I probably have some stuff wrong.

[Rhenna]

I'm not typing this with, you know, smoke coming out of my ears or anything, but who is it, EXACTLY, that say's were NOT busy hunting down bin Laden? I mean, you don't get play-by-play coverage on stuff like that, right? I feel we all need to chill, and let the people on that particular op go about their business.

[aphremen]

[edit: sounded like jackass] Sorry, I didn't realize that I was sounding like typical mr. stupid american with no attention span. I suppose I'll have to wait and see what'll happen in the future. They did arrest that Ron Jeremy look alike so there is proof that peeps in the Intel business are doing thier job. I'm still bitter that Bush created the Office Of Homeland Secret Police instead of just throwing some more bling bling at the FBI, CIA, ATF, etc.

[jls23]

Hobbes is right if those stupid protestors win and we pull out we'd look weak and all our enemies will probably attack

[Odm]

Oh yeah, and you sure were attacked after vietnam... No one would attack, you're a superpower! Idiot...

[wmgreer]

protesters have nothing to do but sit on their a** all day and twiddle their thumbs and think the greatest thing in the world to do is to mindlessly walk in a circle waving a stick with a piece of posterboard with meaningless scribble attached to it. Their just to scared to admit that they are afraid of what is going on in the world.

[Odm]

It makes them feel like they're doing something, y'know. And it might make an impression. In Vietnam it was a key factor.

[wmgreer]

of course there are two sides to every coin.i suppose they may know something we don't

[Odm]

Umm... I don't think so. I thought of protesting before the war, but I'm in Austria so it would be absolutely pointless. My point is that in Vietnam, coupled with high casualties, the protests, among other things of course, made the US withdraw from Vietnam. But now it's REALLY pointless since the war is almost over. Holy crap that's a lot of commas :D

[wmgreer]

o.k. I get it now

[aphremen]

Right now is the perfect time to protest the war in Syria. Or think farther into the future and protest the war on NK. Or even farther and protest the war on the REST OF THE FREAKING WORLD! Hehe. it's not that bad but really bush, give your peeps a change to rest before sending them out again, don't just send the next spawn wave out there right away.

[wmgreer]

Hey, Odm, didn't mean to step on your toes and upset you in any way, shape, or form. I admit I sometimes get carried away, but I always apologize if I hurt somebodies feelings. So, I'm sorry if I upset you.

[aphremen]

Hey, this is the rant box, people are supposed to get hurt.

[Odm]

'tis ok, I didn't get hurt at all. Oh and aphremen, this isn't the flame bin, but you're right.

[aphremen]

Sorry, what with the whole bin and box and cube and whatnot, I got confused. :D

[Odm]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to report this to the content nazi, I mean SixShooter. It is prohibited to be confused about anything. This is a serious breach in your conduct, this might go down in your permanent file...