First Official "Issue" God Thread.

[AVataRR]

Whell this has been done to death in the earlier days of ATrip, but not so much as a beep in this new board. So... God.... is he/she real? Do you belive in him/her? If so why? If not why not? Is "God" merely a creation of humanity in a bid to explain the unexplainable? Is "God" still relevant in today's scientific society. Is "God" the ultimate human delusion?

[cr3am]

God is just a way for people who can't handle the realities of life to have something to blame. People can't stand not knowing why things are the way they are, and they can't stand not knowing why bad things happen.


I don't feel like explaining it in depth, but basically: religion is all bullshit. Every time some part of any religion gets disproven, someone just says "oh, you can't take it literally" but then they still take the whole god part literally. Religion is bullshit, and god is just as much bullshit as religion.

[Docta Beeeer]

You're bullshit. You strange little man.

[Chimera[NL]]

Ok, let's not make ANOTHER thread about this. Seriously man, close it. Religion/god/gaymarriage threads always turn into flamewars.

[Smapdey]

How about this? Let's examine God from the angle that it's the hope bringer, that rewards the good and just, punishes the wicked, and is working to back everything A-Okay. God even has a day in which he passes his Judgement on if you have been good and pure, or if you've been evil.

If this sounds like a good God to you, you believe in Santa Claus. Don't worry, it's a good God to worship. The only God that makes stuff appear under a tree and gifts appear in socks. Provided you have faith.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by cr3am
God is just a way for people who can't handle the realities of life to have something to blame. People can't stand not knowing why things are the way they are, and they can't stand not knowing why bad things happen.


I don't feel like explaining it in depth, but basically: religion is all bullshit. Every time some part of any religion gets disproven, someone just says "oh, you can't take it literally" but then they still take the whole god part literally. Religion is bullshit, and god is just as much bullshit as religion.

I agree with what you say completely except I believe there is one and only one religion that ISN'T bullshit.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
I agree with what you say completely except I believe there is one and only one religion that ISN'T bullshit.

Ok, and which one may that be?

[Downfall]

scientology:D

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
I agree with what you say completely except I believe there is one and only one religion that ISN'T bullshit.

I have a strong feeling it's the early babtist relgion that follows directly the King James Bible, but I'll never know if it's right until I die, so I don't really worry about following any type of religion.

I make up my own relgion as it suites me.

[Smapdey]

You're stupid.

[TopSecretBoy]

Here's how I look at it:

Did anyone see the movie "Finding Forrester"? There's a scene in the movie where Sean Connery and *Looks up name* Rob Brown are sitting down and Sean Connery starts talking about his socks. He's wearing them inside out and makes a comment about it. Sean Connery says that in some cultures, it's good luck to wear things inside out, or do them backwards, etc etc. Rob Brown asks him if he actually believes in all that, in which Sean Connery say's "It's like praying, it couldn't hurt."

Assuming everyone keeps to themselves. :)

[future man]

Originally posted by Smapdey
You're stupid.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I fucking hate Baptist churches.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by future man
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I fucking hate Baptist churches.

I do too.

[r3n.d4n73]

Why?

Personally, I am a fundamental baptist. I believe that Jesus died (for all man's sins), was burried, and that he rose again.

[Downfall]

whats that have to d owiht baptist..thats roman catholic beleife too....(me druk)

[r3n.d4n73]

No it's not. Catholics believe that to go to heaven, you have to confess your sins to a priest, and that to go to heaven, it's about works. Aslo, you have to be baptized, according to the Catholic doctirne

Christianity is about faith. If you have faith in what I said I believe, thats all you have ot do to go to heaven. Simple as that.

[jesuskingofpeace]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
I have a strong feeling it's the early babtist relgion that follows directly the King James Bible, but I'll never know if it's right until I die, so I don't really worry about following any type of religion.



You never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. A religion that follows the bible directly? The earth was made in 7 days and all that jazz? My god you're dumb.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by jesuskingofpeace
My god you're dumb.

Yup, that's freak, our 'special' little boy.

[Smapdey]

Yeah, see, Freak, growing up, when he did something bad, like "catch the gay", instead of a simple time out, his parents would stick a burlap sack over his head and then lock him in a batting cage with the machine on fast ball. Once the machine stopped or he stopped breathing they would let him out. So, you have to understand, he's got some serious tead hrauma, you can't blame it all on him.

Oh, and his house uses lead pased paints, so he's got pead loisoning as well.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by r3n.d4n73
Personally, I am a fundamental baptist. I believe that Jesus died (for all man's sins), was burried, and that he rose again.
Originally posted by Downfall
whats that have to d owiht baptist..thats roman catholic beleife too....(me druk) Originally posted by r3n.d4n73
No it's not. Yeah it is, every christian sect believes jesus died, was burried, and rose again. You were saying it as if that's what made you a baptist. (sorry to be all nit picky)

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by cr3am
Yeah it is, every christian sect believes jesus died, was burried, and rose again. You were saying it as if that's what made you a baptist. (sorry to be all nit picky)


YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SORRY! JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SORRYNESS!!!


:D

[jesuskingofpeace]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Yeah, see, Freak, growing up, when he did something bad, like "catch the gay", instead of a simple time out, his parents would stick a burlap sack over his head and then lock him in a batting cage with the machine on fast ball. Once the machine stopped or he stopped breathing they would let him out. So, you have to understand, he's got some serious tead hrauma, you can't blame it all on him.

Oh, and his house uses lead pased paints, so he's got pead loisoning as well.

did you read about lead poisoning from lead paints in Diary by Chuck Palahuniuk?

[TopSecretBoy]

Lead is the reason Rome fell, damnit.

[AVataRR]

hehe, retarded generals in the feild.

OOOOO. I PULL MY PANTS DOWN AND RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES. AHHHH. AAGGHHH A STICK CAME OUT OF MY CHEST!!!!! IT FEELS LIKE HURTY.

[Smapdey]

TSB, Lead is not the reason Rome fell.

I didn't actually read Diary. I read Lullaby and Choke, and a few of his other works, never read Diary though, good?

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

There is a God.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
I didn't actually read Diary. I read Lullaby and Choke, and a few of his other works, never read Diary though, good? According to my [credible] source, Diary is more of a chick book.

[karny]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
There is a God.

and its name is trymethilxanthine

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by karny
and its name is trymethilxanthine

No! His name is Garthuk, He lives in my left nostril and whispers things through the magic canyon in my face known only as Sinuses! It is a crime for me to blow my nose to upset him.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Smapdey
No! His name is Garthuk, He lives in my left nostril and whispers things through the magic canyon in my face known only as Sinuses! It is a crime for me to blow my nose to upset him.
so u gently , use your finger and eat the dirt in your nose

[TheKua]

God is a mere imaginary figment of the obtuse. Nothing more. In truth you can see that God and Religion were used as a tool's of fear and terror to ensure society abided to the law and morality. Take the spanish inquisition for instance.

You cant see God, You cant feel God, you cant hear God and in no way has been proven to exist so therefore he/it isnt a tangible, existant entity.

God is nothing but a refuge for those who cant handle the realities of life to have something to blame or go back to when they're scared.

[StormyPeak]

I'm very new to this forum, so I don't know what was all discussed in previous threads about this issue...but here are some of my own thoughts about God.

I'm an athiest...and have been since I was about 18 or 19years old, I'm 40 now...so I've had a good 20 years to reflect upon my belief....or 'non-belief'.

One comment I get from Christians who find out about me being an athiest is that: "I must feel a loneliness or loss not having some higher power to pray too in times of trouble"

Which I have to respond with a "No that's not true."

I have my own personal strength to get me through those times -- and believe me, I've had some pretty rough times in my life. Besides...perhaps IF I had felt that loss they speak of...perhaps I would have regained my faith years ago. ???

I do however believe that a good man, named Jesus did walk this earth and taught a positive message. I don't believe he was the son of God...but I believe he existed....and he has my respect in the same way that I respect Ghandi or Buddah or any other man of peace and compassion.

I also believe the King's James Bible is hogwash...it's been gutted of many of the known scriptures that were around during the time it was created. Many of the books removed from the Kings James version were removed because of political wrangling....that enforced ideals of kings and aristrocisy (sp) as humble servants of God...and not what they wanted to be...and that was in an unquestioned position of power.

How can a sect believe in a book that isn't complete? Many Christians are not even aware there have been many versions of the bilble that were widely used before the King James version came out....they just didn't exist during a time when printing presses could distribute them as quickly -- as what happened with the King's James version.

Anyway those are just a few of the things that cross my mind when thinking about Gods and religions. I too, think that religion is a crutch for those who believe themselves too weak in spirit to make it through this cruel world on their own. But I don't disrepect them as long as they respect my own beliefs....and just leave me alone. I'm still trying to convience the Mormans and the Johovah Witnesses to quit thumping on my door. :mad: They say this is a good thing they are doing and they don't understand why I object. To me they are trying to sell me something I don't want. I and other athiests don't go knocking on Their doors trying to make them Not- Believe -- nor do I think they would appreciate that in the slightest.

Oh, one last thing...

I love god games, any of those strategy games with building civilizations, and manipulating villagers and armies around.

I think I would make a great Goddess. :D

I wonder how one can apply for that position....lol.

Thanks for reading my rant. ;)

Stormy

[Chimera[NL]]

Good post Stormy! I'm totally on your side on this subject.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Yeah, see, Freak, growing up, when he did something bad, like "catch the gay", instead of a simple time out, his parents would stick a burlap sack over his head and then lock him in a batting cage with the machine on fast ball. Once the machine stopped or he stopped breathing they would let him out. So, you have to understand, he's got some serious tead hrauma, you can't blame it all on him.

Oh, and his house uses lead pased paints, so he's got pead loisoning as well.

LOL, that's some good stuff. That's where I got those abbs of steel.

[r3n.d4n73]

I am a Christian, as I have pointed out many times before.

Stormy, do you say "Oh my god.", or "god-damnit.", or "Jesus Christ." (as an excplective)? If so, who are you saying it about if you don't believe in a God?

And just because you are a Christian, doesn't make those "god games" evil.

[karny]

Originally posted by r3n.d4n73
Stormy, do you say "Oh my god.", or "god-damnit.", or "Jesus Christ." (as an excplective)? If so, who are you saying it about if you don't believe in a God?

it's because they have lost their orginal meaning, they now mean something compleatly differn't, fuck is another good example of this happeneing.

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by r3n.d4n73
I am a Christian, as I have pointed out many times before.

Stormy, do you say "Oh my god.", or "god-damnit.", or "Jesus Christ." (as an excplective)? If so, who are you saying it about if you don't believe in a God?

And just because you are a Christian, doesn't make those "god games" evil.

No,

I rarely curse....and it's only very very rarely that I 'slip up' and use the word God in any kind of fashion as far as saying something "Oh, God" or "Thank God" other than talking about it like here, for instance.

I never use phrases like "God damn, or God damn it" I was raised in a Christian enviroment and those expressions sometimes surface, but it wasn't a part of the speech patterns of those around me.

I Never use the word Jesus in any way except for when I'm talking about him as a person.

I guess that too falls back upon my family up-bringing. In my home, we never heard anyone start out a sentence like I've heard people do: for example:
" Jesus, that was close! " or "For Christ's Sake!" or even a using his full title as a curse "JESUS CHRIST!" which I hear a lot of people do....strangely...people who if asked would probably say they considered theirselves Christians. :confused:

I also very rarely ever call people names. I gave up that childish custom in grade school, but I do cuss when I feel the need.
My favorite cuss words are probably "shit" and "son of a bitch" I will occassionaly use the "F" word too.

Oh -- I don't believe in Satan either. :rolleyes:
I have been accused of that a few Christians though-out my life, who think that if one doesn't believe in God, then one just has to be a minion of Satan and under his direction. :mad:

My very best friend, that I've known since the 3rd grade is a very devote Christian. I don't think she's missed a Sunday in church in over 15 years. She leads her life through her church, she teaches Sunday school, and helps out with church events....her whole life is based upon her belief in God, and she does nothing that would tarnish that.

She knows I'm an atheist and sometimes we talk about our differences...but it's never in the form of debate. It's more in the spirit of just trying to understand the other's thoughts about it all.

I have another friend who is also religious...not as devote the first friend I talked about but still is the type to says prayer at each meal and who has a deep faith in God.

I think the one of the reasons we get along so well is because we don't try to convince each other to change our beliefs. I respect them and their beliefs, and I don't say or do things around them that would make them uncomfortable.

I also don't have a problem with peole who say things like
"God bless you" or "I'll pray for you" as these are gestures of good will. I've heard some atheist act like they just got spit upon when someone has said something like that to them.

I think a lot of Christians have a misunderstanding about most athiests. I know there are extremists on both sides of the line...but I think that we share a lot of middle ground too when it comes to basic moral issues and the way we lead our lives.

I don't feel the need to have the hope for a heaven or the fear of hell, to make me be a good person. I'm a good, honest, caring person, because I like the feeling I get from being that way. I also have a deep sense of self-worth -- this is what makes me honor myself, my family name, my own reputation.

I don't know if there is a heaven or a hell, or an afterlife. I can't make myself believe in them either...I'm just no hardwired that way. I don't have faith...and that is what being religious is all about...having faith in a higher power.

Sorry to have such lengthy posts here, but I think this subject can be an interesting one if kept at a conversational tone rather than a confrontational one.

Stormy

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

You people have no clue do you?

[karny]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
You people have no clue do you?

Explain yourself dick face if you think you know better than us.

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
You people have no clue do you?

In a prior post you said "There is a God"

So, I assume that in saying "You People don't have a clue" you are referring to athiests. ? ? ?

Well, if so, I can tell right now - I'm not about to accept any clues from someone who claims to be a Christian, yet has an avatar of a ditzy blond playing with her titties -- it's just not what I would call Christian behavior by any stretch of the imagination....lol.

Stormy

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

I am a Muslim and I have done my fair share of explanation and don't want to waste time with spoiled brats (not directed to stormy) who don't respect other person's beliefs. Rather than having you people make fun of my beliefs and provide with inane arguments I would rather spend my time on other places on this forum.

If you really want to read up about my views on this issue there are countless threads in which I have already spoken. If you have a valid argument then come here and start an intellectual discussion. With remarks like God lives in my nostrils (which are by far a disgrace to any believer, and wrong on the simpler level of humanly courtesy even) is simply retarded. Hence, my point of not wasting my time here.

As for the blond in the avatar. Seriously do I care? I even have avatar's off. Behaving like Christain or Muslim is not what all humans are able to do 100% in this world where morals and values are decaying faster than toxic eats up iron. There is but a shred of hope left for any of us (including me) but somehow the athiests, or non-believers have a liberty to remind us about how we behave according to our religion (which is indeed not their fault) as we are the wrong doers ourselves. On the contrary we have nothing to say to them because they believe in nothing. (If you get my drift)

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
I am a Muslim and I have done my fair share of explanation and don't want to waste time with spoiled brats (not directed to stormy) who don't respect other person's beliefs. Rather than having you people make fun of my beliefs and provide with inane arguments I would rather spend my time on other places on this forum.

If you really want to read up about my views on this issue there are countless threads in which I have already spoken. If you have a valid argument then come here and start an intellectual discussion. With remarks like God lives in my nostrils (which are by far a disgrace to any believer, and wrong on the simpler level of humanly courtesy even) is simply retarded. Hence, my point of not wasting my time here.

As for the blond in the avatar. Seriously do I care? I even have avatar's off. Behaving like Christain or Muslim is not what all humans are able to do 100% in this world where morals and values are decaying faster than toxic eats up iron. There is but a shred of hope left for any of us (including me) but somehow the athiests, or non-believers have a liberty to remind us about how we behave according to our religion (which is indeed not their fault) as we are the wrong doers ourselves. On the contrary we have nothing to say to them because they believe in nothing. (If you get my drift)

My mistake for assuming you were a Christian...perhaps I should have said a Believer.

I do believe that one has to take responsibilty in their own Beliefs...and that goes right down to the way one behaves.
This behavior should be in the manner that their faith dictates....otherwise one is just using faith as 'window dressing' with nothing behind that which is of any substance.

My friend, who is very devote, she has a plaque on her wall that says God's laws are not "Pick and Chose" they all must be followed.

I'm not just talking about the 10 Commandments either, but the whole set of values that is put forth in the Old Testament...through the various laws of Moses, and examples set by biblical charactors such was Ester, Job, Jacob, and Jesus. The latter -- he is considered a prophet by Muslims if I remember correctly?

These 'values', laws, or ways to behave, are in many ways shared by Christians and Muslims yet as mentioned, I rarely see people live by them...and each always has the excuse that because they don't....it's ok. Because it's not how one behaves that is important...it's one's faith.

Well, from every thing I've read in Holy Scriptures....of many sorts .... Behaving IS important...and thus my belief that one should behave in a certain manner if one is going to strongly proclaim their faith.

According to various beliefs, God set up a Holy Day...a day of worship, or in some faiths, several times during the day to worship. I have to use Christians in my following example because I don't know any Muslims...but this is what I see.

I see self proclaimed Christians, not in church on Sundays, but staying home and watching football, or going golfing, or camping and not even giving a thought to God on that day....that is unless it is to use his name in a curse because their team lost, or their ball was caught in a sand trap, or the fish they hooked got away.
I'm sure there are others in other faiths that behave in similar ways and ignore the codes of behavior or ideals of their holy scriptures.

Also I would like to clarify a few things.

I'm not "Anti-religious"....I'm Non-Religious....and there is a huge difference - I'm not 'against' religions -- I just don't believe in religion.

Also there is a misconception that athiests believe in "nothing".
That's not quite true either - at least for some of us.

While I don't believe in a God, or Gods or Godesses....I do believe that my body, after I die will have it's own 'next life'

After I die, (and hopefully cremated) I believe that then everything that make me, Me...will break down into simpler elements and continue on as trace minerals, water, gas, and carbon to be recycled by nature - but that's just my body.

I have a hope and this is what I hope.
I think that each life form has a special energy that keeps us alive --because otherwise, it would be simple to bring a corpse back to life and no one can do that. I thnk that once that spark of energy leaves us, we die. I guess one could call that energy a type of 'soul'.

I don't know if that energy dies with us, or continues on...but I hope it doesn't die...I hope that it settles into some other life form and continues on.

I think I've read somewhere that pure energy can't be destroyed....it just changes form. So perhaps my hope of a continued existance isn't any more fanciful than that of organized religions. I won't be "me" anymore, but all the stuff that I was made of -- as any molecules and atoms that were a part of me continue to exist then in a way, I will too.

But, even if none of what I hope happens...I'm still ok with the thought of there being 'nothing' after I die -- that I just cease to exist.

There was 'nothing' before I was born and it didn't worry me then...and perhaps death is just the same 'nothing' so I'm comfortable enought with that thought too. BTW, because I don't believe in an afterlife where I'll be around and meeting others who passed on ahead of me...I love life and those in my life all the more for that reason...I feel this is my one and only chance to do so.

Stormy

[AVataRR]

haha Stormy is a Jedi.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by StormyPeak
My mistake for assuming you were a Christian...perhaps I should have said a Believer.

I do believe that one has to take responsibilty in their own Beliefs...and that goes right down to the way one behaves.

I wholeheartedly agree and never claim myself to be a true muslim. The only occassions I do lose myself is here at actiontrip forums and sometimes when I am with friends but that is not to say that I drink, do drugs or any other forbidden acts of my religion. The only forbidden act that I am really responsible for everyday is my abusive behavior here at actiontrip.com.

This behavior should be in the manner that their faith dictates....otherwise one is just using faith as 'window dressing' with nothing behind that which is of any substance.

I have my faith and I use it more than window dressing if this is what you wanted to know?

My friend, who is very devote, she has a plaque on her wall that says God's laws are not "Pick and Chose" they all must be followed.

What your friend states is perfectly true for all religions

I'm not just talking about the 10 Commandments either, but the whole set of values that is put forth in the Old Testament...through the various laws of Moses, and examples set by biblical charactors such was Ester, Job, Jacob, and Jesus. The latter -- he is considered a prophet by Muslims if I remember correctly?

Yes Jesus was a prophet and yes all laws stated by religion should be followed.

These 'values', laws, or ways to behave, are in many ways shared by Christians and Muslims yet as mentioned, I rarely see people live by them...and each always has the excuse that because they don't....it's ok. Because it's not how one behaves that is important...it's one's faith.

No it is not ok and both faith and behavior go hand in hand together and should be followed to the letter

Well, from every thing I've read in Holy Scriptures....of many sorts .... Behaving IS important...and thus my belief that one should behave in a certain manner if one is going to strongly proclaim their faith.

I respect this statement

According to various beliefs, God set up a Holy Day...a day of worship, or in some faiths, several times during the day to worship. I have to use Christians in my following example because I don't know any Muslims...but this is what I see.

What you see in the Christain community is what you will also see with Muslims but overall, from solely the perspective of following religion I still think Muslims are in a better position than Christains. Most of the decadence that is in the society is due to ills caused by both people and hence, the result that you speak of. Muslims have to pray 5 times a day and the special day for us is Friday.

I see self proclaimed Christians, not in church on Sundays, but staying home and watching football, or going golfing, or camping and not even giving a thought to God on that day....that is unless it is to use his name in a curse because their team lost, or their ball was caught in a sand trap, or the fish they hooked got away.
I'm sure there are others in other faiths that behave in similar ways and ignore the codes of behavior or ideals of their holy scriptures.

Ignoring their religion is just sad. A true believer would never do that but what we see around us is that there are no true believers left anymore.

Also I would like to clarify a few things.

I'm not "Anti-religious"....I'm Non-Religious....and there is a huge difference - I'm not 'against' religions -- I just don't believe in religion.

I never said you were!

Also there is a misconception that athiests believe in "nothing".
That's not quite true either - at least for some of us.

While I don't believe in a God, or Gods or Godesses....I do believe that my body, after I die will have it's own 'next life'

After I die, (and hopefully cremated) I believe that then everything that make me, Me...will break down into simpler elements and continue on as trace minerals, water, gas, and carbon to be recycled by nature - but that's just my body.

I have a hope and this is what I hope.
I think that each life form has a special energy that keeps us alive --because otherwise, it would be simple to bring a corpse back to life and no one can do that. I thnk that once that spark of energy leaves us, we die. I guess one could call that energy a type of 'soul'.

I don't know if that energy dies with us, or continues on...but I hope it doesn't die...I hope that it settles into some other life form and continues on.

I think I've read somewhere that pure energy can't be destroyed....it just changes form. So perhaps my hope of a continued existance isn't any more fanciful than that of organized religions. I won't be "me" anymore, but all the stuff that I was made of -- as any molecules and atoms that were a part of me continue to exist then in a way, I will too.

But, even if none of what I hope happens...I'm still ok with the thought of there being 'nothing' after I die -- that I just cease to exist.

There was 'nothing' before I was born and it didn't worry me then...and perhaps death is just the same 'nothing' so I'm comfortable enought with that thought too. BTW, because I don't believe in an afterlife where I'll be around and meeting others who passed on ahead of me...I love life and those in my life all the more for that reason...I feel this is my one and only chance to do so.

If this is any help to you then yes there is an after life and you will be given another chance whether you believe it or not. This life is short and is a test for us from the Creator. I know that you are well versed in this subject so it is not worth my time to repeat all of this for you. Whether you believe in a soul is totally upto you. But if you do then you will know that soul cannot be passed into the forms that you have mentioned. It is something different for which the 'code' has not been broken uptil now by biological scientists even.

I respect what you believe and the way you live your life. But if you read up more in religion you will notice that it is about the same morals and values that most of the non-believing society already follows (albeit losely). It is just a more comprehensive way to live life. You have to learn to appreciate things around you in order to understand what religion has to offer. It is not all believing in God. There is much much more that is overlooked.

Stormy

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
With remarks like God lives in my nostrils (which are by far a disgrace to any believer, and wrong on the simpler level of humanly courtesy even) is simply retarded.

Dude, Garthok is gonna fuckin' kill you.

WGARA, you believing in an invisible man who brought some old dude to heaven on a flying donkey can be considered just as ridiculous as any claim about God living inside my sinuses. The difference being, in a total loss of faith, I can stick my finger up there and feel around for him, and maybe find him, in a total loss of faith for you, you would be a depressed Exxon Valdez of a man. That, and for whatever reason, a large grouping of people think that you're God is the right one, so much so that they gather into a foot ball arena and worship a rock.

You're trying to tell me that any religion is without some sort of miracle work and stretched truths? Yeah, keep dreamin' buddy.

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by AVataRR
haha Stormy is a Jedi.

LMAO.

I wish I could figure out how to harness all those powers that come from being jedi.

I saw a key chain with a saying on it one time that fit my personality exactly: It said:

I want more Power, more Money, and Less shit from you people.

I mentioned I owned a store, and they guys at work brought me in this coffee mug says:
I'm not bossy, I just know what you should be doing. :p

Maybe it's a good thing I'm not Jedi....the dark side of the Force would be too damn tempting, lol.

Stormy :D

[Trustkill]

God is dead and no one cares. If there is a hell I'll see you there. yey.

10th time saying this:

Religion: a primitive form of government that dupps the uneducated people of the time into "believing" that their time here is all preperation for the afterlife, so you better be a good little human and pay your taxes.....and donations are appreciated. Governments can threaten your life but a religion can threaten your very existance and the large lower class communities were easy prey.

Bibles, Texts, whatever: Propaganda. Believing it is the same as saying "I saw it on TV, it has to be true". People say that it's more of a guidline to live your life by. Why, because someone else said so?

Faith: synonymis for "fear". Faith is instilled by fear of not following the way of life that was laid out by the religion. If you really want something from someone then you must scare the shit out of them. Since we know nothing about what truely happens to a person when they die, then that makes an easy target to weaken someone. Obviously, it worked.

[Chimera[NL]]

People like WGARA think they live according to god's will but all they do is live according some guy who wrote a book.

PS, this is not a flame.

[karny]

OH boy i hate religious debates, why is it that every where you go there is the same pointless debate. Nothing will come of this unless someone is open minded enough to accept someone else's point of view. Even if this does happen thats all your doing is enforcing or makeing people aware of your point of view, maybe it's interesting seeing other peoples point of view however making an argument out of it is as stupid as roasting your testicles on lemonade.

I thought i better point out that this hasn't really turned into an argument... yet, so i assume this is just for intrests sake.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by karny
OH boy i hate religious debates, why is it that every where you go there is the same pointless debate. Nothing will come of this unless someone is open minded enough to accept someone else's point of view. Even if this does happen thats all your doing is enforcing or makeing people aware of your point of view, maybe it's interesting seeing other peoples point of view however making an argument out of it is as stupid as roasting your testicles on lemonade.

I thought i better point out that this hasn't really turned into an argument... yet, so i assume this is just for intrests sake.
I agree, that's why this in my first post in this thread. Posting in "religion" threads like this are a waste of my typing energy. I'm not saying that the topic is stupid, I'm saying that even if I type a long essay about the subject, nothing will come of it.

[Kain]

In the beginning their was nothing, then from the nothing, came the spot.
And from that spot, came the earth
And from the erth came the green wizard.....

sorry wrong topic, uh in my opinion i follow the old saying In the begining there was nothing then came the earth and from the earth came man, man being alone and understanding little of his suroundings created god, and so was then able to deal with much he could not explain.

If i where to follow any religion [if forced at gun points and thumb screws] id have to go with Buddaism

But thats my warped 2 cents.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Smapdey
TSB, Lead is not the reason Rome fell.

Rome fell for a number of reasons, the Barbarians, the fact that 90% of the army wasn't even Roman, the financial problems in the early 300's, (Later on the Mongols), and because of the lead pipes. The whole roman leadership was literally retarded from lead poisioning, not just from pipes (Which were replaced) but pots and pans were also made of lead. There's no question about it.

Here's a list of books on the subject. :) http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/history/muhlberger/orb/lead.htm

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Dude, Garthok is gonna fuckin' kill you.

WGARA, you believing in an invisible man who brought some old dude to heaven on a flying donkey can be considered just as ridiculous as any claim about God living inside my sinuses. The difference being, in a total loss of faith, I can stick my finger up there and feel around for him, and maybe find him, in a total loss of faith for you, you would be a depressed Exxon Valdez of a man. That, and for whatever reason, a large grouping of people think that you're God is the right one, so much so that they gather into a foot ball arena and worship a rock.

You're trying to tell me that any religion is without some sort of miracle work and stretched truths? Yeah, keep dreamin' buddy.

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
People like WGARA think they live according to god's will but all they do is live according some guy who wrote a book.

PS, this is not a flame.

I would rather stay quiet on the subject than watch little brats (who have no clue about anything in life or respect for other people's beliefs) make stupid remarks about my religion. I am off from here!

[cr3am]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
I would rather stay quiet on the subject than watch little brats (who have no clue about anything in life or respect for other people's beliefs) make stupid remarks about my religion. I am off from here! Neither of them was insulting you, it's just fuckin' hard to disagree with someone on this topic without sounding insulting. Like you, when you pretty much claim that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a moron.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by cr3am
Neither of them was insulting you, it's just fuckin' hard to disagree with someone on this topic without sounding insulting. Like you, when you pretty much claim that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a moron.

Where did I say that someone who does not believe in what I believe is a moron? Care me to point to such a post made by me in a case where someone has not insulted about what I believe in?

I respect what other people believe. The only reason I even responded in this thread was when I saw random insults thrown to any believer out there. Stormy made a good post and I replied to him. If you believe in God or not is not my concern but atleast have enough decency to other people's beliefs.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
I respect what other people believe. If you believe in God or not is not my concern but atleast have enough decency to other people's beliefs.
*Thumbs up*

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
Where did I say that someone who does not believe in what I believe is a moron? Care me to point to such a post made by me in a case where someone has not insulted about what I believe in?

I respect what other people believe.

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
You people have no clue do you?

Yup, that's respect allright.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Yup, that's respect allright.

[cr3am]

Whoever the fuck made that picture is an idiot, it's spelled Respek.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by cr3am
Whoever the fuck made that picture is an idiot, it's spelled Respek.

That picture owns you.

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by cr3am
Whoever the fuck made that picture is an idiot, it's spelled Respek.

Sorry, I had to laugh at that.

Another case of the dumbing down of American kids. :rolleyes:
And, that comment is not directed towards you...but towards the whole idea of everything having to have a wrong spelling when it comes to marketing something -- be it breakfast cereals, or music personalities.

Respect is spelled correctly under the photo. The guy in the photo, if that is his name or his group's name...yeah, I get the idea that it's suppose to look "cool" spelling Respect phonetically as Respek --- but to me it just looks childish.

If you really want to know about R E S E P E C T.
Look in the dictionary and you will see a photo of
:cool: Aretha Franklin:cool:
Stormy ;) :D

[[CCCP] Commando]

I don't believe in God, or buddah, or Alah. the absolute worst bead rollers are Catholics...their priests are always raping people and if they do something wrong they believe if they ask for "forgiveness" no one can touch them... get a fucking life, if you murder someone you're still in jail. shmucks

[Striker]

Yes, that makes perfect sense. All priests go around raping people all of the time and then asking for forgiveness. How could I have missed that!

[Smapdey]

WGARA is just another Muslim that's ruining this planet by not being christian and damning us to hell with him.

Allah indeed.

It's a good thing we're bombing you fuckers, the only good Muslim is a dead one.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Smapdey
It's a good thing we're bombing you fuckers, the only good Muslim is a dead one.

Or an American one. :D

[Trustkill]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoy

Ali G is the greatest. "Throw the jew down the well!"

[TopSecretBoy]

Hehehe

[NiteX]

Well I use to be Catholic. Now I'm an atheist. Almost all my friends that were Catholic are now also atheist, funny isn't it? I have to say I almost completely agree with Stormy. Except on a few things.

When a person dies I basicly believe they are recycled in a way. Yes you can say I believe in reincarnation. I believe that everyone that dies is born again, but as a new person. I don't know why exactly I think this, maybe it's because I sometimes have dreams of a past life. Many of you would probably think that's extremely silly. But hey can you prove me wrong? I didn't think so.

And no! I dont think in my next life I could be an animal. I think that only humans are born again as humans and animals are born into their same species. But who knows? I'm not the one who made this shit up.:rolleyes:

[cr3am]

Originally posted by StormyPeak
Sorry, I had to laugh at that.

Another case of the dumbing down of American kids. :rolleyes:
And, that comment is not directed towards you...but towards the whole idea of everything having to have a wrong spelling when it comes to marketing something -- be it breakfast cereals, or music personalities.

Respect is spelled correctly under the photo. The guy in the photo, if that is his name or his group's name...yeah, I get the idea that it's suppose to look "cool" spelling Respect phonetically as Respek --- but to me it just looks childish. His TV personality is named Ali G. He has a British accent and is from "da ghetto". He pronounces stuff wrong, and uses grammar completely wrong when interviewing some of the most prominent members of society. It's a joke, dude... don't overanalyze it. Oh, and watch Ali G, it's the funniest show ever.

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by cr3am
His TV personality is named Ali G. He has a British accent and is from "da ghetto". He pronounces stuff wrong, and uses grammar completely wrong when interviewing some of the most prominent members of society. It's a joke, dude... don't overanalyze it. Oh, and watch Ali G, it's the funniest show ever.

It's Dudette ;)

I overanalyze everything....lol. I'm 40 years old and not really in touch with who's who as far as today's personalities. I catch glimpses of them on the news but none of them, at least to me, is memorable. So, I apologize for not getting some of the jokes that occur here.

I might be too old to be hanging out here, and I hope none of ya mind that too much. But, I'm learning a few things about the younger generation here, and in another forum, I got some great advice on what could be making one of my computer games freeze up. :) I feel like I'm taking a peak into a whole new dimension to tell ya the truth....your forum is a tad bit on the wild side for me, and it's very very different than any of the one's I've been on.


And, in keeping with this topic...here's something else I've wondered about.

If God is so great and can do all those wonderful things -- Why does he insist that humans worship him? It's egotistical in my opinion, prideful and self serving.

If he really was 'perfect' then I think he should be generous without all the strings attached. Also, what kind of sicko makes a world like ours where little children get raped, people by the thousands die of starvation, and humans are always at war? We get blamed for it...by "we" I mean humans, and in particular "women" because Eve took that "forbidden fruit"

Another thing that gripes me about that --- Eve QUESTIONED the serpent....asked and pondered about it, then ate.

But, with Adam -- it states in the Bible that Eve offered him the fruit and "He Did Eat" He didn't ask any questions, he didn't wonder if it was right or wrong...he just sucked that fruit down...and then pointed at the woman and said she made him do it. :mad: What a damn liar. :mad:

Also, about "Heaven" or "Paradise" This is suppose to be the perfect place to be as a reward for worshipping God.
But, what if my idea of Paradise is different than someone elses?

My idea of Paradise would be very different from someone elses. I would love to have wonderful scenery, my own home that didn't have a neighbor in visual site, and also be able to attend a few to handicap and bet upon a few great horse races every weekend : D

I doubt most Christian would consider my idea of Paradise someplace they would like to live in for eternity, and I certainly don't want to spend eternity in a Pardise where all one does is hang out on clouds and play harps. :rolleyes:

Stormy

[absolute_deviation]

Originally posted by Smapdey
It's a good thing we're bombing you fuckers, the only good Muslim is a dead one.

you should ban yourself for saying that.

[JerraMaya]

This Shows his mentality for muslims .

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Kill all niggers! Kill all niggers! Kill all niggers! (does this remind you of anything Smap, fucking double standards eh?)

:o :rolleyes:

I always knew that we should not have a retard run these forums!

[cr3am]

Originally posted by StormyPeak
It's Dudette ;)

I overanalyze everything....lol. I'm 40 years old and not really in touch with who's who as far as today's personalities. I catch glimpses of them on the news but none of them, at least to me, is memorable. So, I apologize for not getting some of the jokes that occur here.

I might be too old to be hanging out here, and I hope none of ya mind that too much. But, I'm learning a few things about the younger generation here, and in another forum, I got some great advice on what could be making one of my computer games freeze up. :) I feel like I'm taking a peak into a whole new dimension to tell ya the truth....your forum is a tad bit on the wild side for me, and it's very very different than any of the one's I've been on. My bad on the dudette part ;) He's really funny, though. He interviewed Andy Rooney (sp?) and was like "Does you ever-" and Andy cuts him off: "It's DO you. DO you ever". I could quote Ali G for hours, he's so damn funny. If you have HBO, you should watch once or twice, just to see if you like his stuff.

Originally posted by StormyPeak
Another thing that gripes me about that --- Eve QUESTIONED the serpent....asked and pondered about it, then ate.

But, with Adam -- it states in the Bible that Eve offered him the fruit and "He Did Eat" He didn't ask any questions, he didn't wonder if it was right or wrong...he just sucked that fruit down... Eve walked around naked all the time, and knowing women (no offense) barely gave him any (bitch), plus, she was the only girl on Earth at the time. He must've been soooo whipped *cracks whip*...

[TheKua]

Originally posted by Smapdey
WGARA is just another Muslim that's ruining this planet by not being christian and damning us to hell with him.

Allah indeed.

It's a good thing we're bombing you fuckers, the only good Muslim is a dead one.

Thats a bit harsh man and it goes against alot of things you said before.

lets keep it a bit more civil shall we?

[Chimera[NL]]

I think Smap is only joking/provoking the Pakis. The Pakis being WGARA and J. I know Smap and he isn't a rascist. I think he just dislikes the AT Pakis as much as I do.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
I think Smap is only joking/provoking the Pakis. The Pakis being WGARA and J. I know Smap and he isn't a rascist. I think he just dislikes the AT Pakis as much as I do.
Smap's Little Mouth Piece speaks at last

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by JerraMaya
Smap's Little Mouth Piece speaks at last

You seem to like this "...speaks at last". You do know you can't use it for everything right? Like now for instance where I've posted multiple things in this thread, you can't use it. So just like your little sig, this post has been reduced to total bullshit because of your fucked up choice of words. Good job J.

[TopSecretBoy]

I think it was a pretty stupid idea for Smap to post that.

[cr3am]

I don't think this was meant to become a stupid bickering "oh you don't respect me" or a "shut up Paki" thread. Closed.