bush .vs kerry?

[Downfall]

so whoes it gona be?

and why do you think so

try to keep this flame free guys i usualy dont make serious threads:D

*edit*
(so far Kerry is ahead by 100%..i like those odds:D :D

[Striker]

I'm not voting, quite possibly due to the fact that I'm 16. But even if I could vote, I doubt I would. I don't really like any of those candidates or what they claim they will do or don't do.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Striker
I'm not voting, quite possibly due to the fact that I'm 16. But even if I could vote, I doubt I would. I don't really like any of those candidates or what they claim they will do or don't do.

Ja. Bush managed to piss everyone off. Kerry won't shut the fuck up about his medals, and no one righteous is willing to step up to the plate. Where the fuck is Washington or Lincoln when you need them? I bet they would seriously just slap everyone in the white house and say "What in the FUCK are you doing?"

[future man]

I'm voting for James Madison, but in case I can't find him on the ballot card, Kerry will have to do.

[Digital Pimp]

I'm voting for Bush.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoy
Ja. Bush managed to piss everyone off. Kerry won't shut the fuck up about his medals, and no one righteous is willing to step up to the plate. Where the fuck is Washington or Lincoln when you need them? I bet they would seriously just slap everyone in the white house and say "What in the FUCK are you doing?"

I hate the way Kerry threw away his medals and now he's bragging about having them. If they were so worthless that he threw them away, why the hell would he be bragging about them now?

[karny]

I VOTE ME... cause i can and i have nothing to do with america.

[cr3am]

A vote for Nader is a vote wasted.

Fuck Bush and the free ride he got into the White House, Kerry da man.

[MrBored]

Fuck lol, I accidently clicked bush. How could anyone who has seen Fahrenheit 9/11 vote for Bush ( except by accident :/ ). If even half that shit was true thats nuts. It has been great for South Africa that bush has been around, the dollar has fallen to shit and pc hardware has become super fucking cheap. If I were an american though, I would be uber pissed.

[Silence]

if i could vote ( what i can, but not in america... damn communism )
i wouldnt vote, and yeah i have to agree on that both of them suck ( as much as i have read, and stuff about them doings ) then id say that both of them suuuuckkkkkkkk presidential poonanny.

ps! i really like the hardware price thing, friend ordered something from usa. and well +he had to pay the shipping price, he still got ity about 30% cheaper than he would have bought it from here... thank jebus for mr.dollars downfall...

[Chimera[NL]]

For the love of god get that Bush out of the Whitehouse.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

How exactly do you chose between two turds? Now that is the question America is facing these days!

[Chimera[NL]]

The lesser of two evils, that's always been America's choice.

[MrBored]

At least you have a lesser of two evils. Here in SA we supposidly have democracy, but there is only one party that wins and will ever win for probably the next 20 to 50 years. I really hope we don't turn into Zimbabwe.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by MrBored
At least you have a lesser of two evils. Here in SA we supposidly have democracy, but there is only one party that wins and will ever win for probably the next 20 to 50 years. I really hope we don't turn into Zimbabwe.

What the fuck is Zimbabwe dude?

[Chimera[NL]]

A South African country.

[MrBored]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
A South African country.

Read: A Southern African country. It borders us to our north and has that Bob Mugabe running the place. Basically the whole country is starving cause he decided to evict all the white farmers and give the land to subsistant farmers with no education. How the hell don't you know about Zimbabwe ( I presume you follow cricket at least? )

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Ofcourse I do, and ofcourse I was only kidding! I was just wondering how the fuck can you even remotely compare South Africa to Zimbabwe. Hence, my reference of "What the fuck is Zimbabwe dude?"

[MrBored]

ok :) Well here is the comparison, Before Zimbabwe was Zimbabwe it was Rhodesia and it was a kick ass country, it was run by the brits and about 20 years after they handed over control it was completely fucked. We're 10 years in, so maybe in 10 years we'll be completely fucked, you never know. I do think that the strong companies in this country will help it on the right path though, so my view is ever so slightly optimistic.

[Smapdey]

Nader. They both suck.

[Docta Beeeer]

Sylvester Stallone.

[caregirl]

Bush, all the way.

(enough said)

[Striker]

Oh, I sense a huge flame attack coming..

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by caregirl
Bush, all the way.

(enough said)

Nah, that's not enough, I want to know why you think that. Don't worry I'm not going to flame you I'm for Bush too.

[Docta Beeeer]

Originally posted by caregirl
Bush, all the way.

(enough said)
No. Sylvester Stallone.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Docta Beeeer
No. Sylvester Stallone.

Adriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

My left nut can be a better president than either of these two fucks!

[StormyPeak]

Someone said it was like trying to chose between two turds...and that is exactly right.

While I think Bush is at least (for a politician) basically a honest person... His extremist religious views scare the crap out of me.
I actually believe he in his own way is trying to fullfill his Bilbical belief in Armaggedon and thus make the 'coming of Jesus' happen. He is trying to make it so all abortions are illegal again...even if they are a medical necessity....in order to save the woman's life, and he's already taking PUBLIC money to help finance Private Religious schools -- which I believe to be totally illegal as far as seperation of church and state.

I have an extreme dislike for Bush and his religious politics. This country needs a PRESIDENT and NOT a Preacher to lead us.


Kerry -- When I see his name or photo, the first thing that pops into my mind is that he's a lying dickhead - a puppet for others to manipulate and he's so fucking rich that he has absolutely no clue what the average Amercian has to go through just to survive financially. Nothing about this guy is real, from his botoxed face to his 'war wounds' I had uncles in Vietnam...and one uncle has sent me a lot of stuff about Kerry's 3 months in 'Nam. He walked out of there with a fist full of metels and from what I've read, he caused injury to himself by playing with a granade that he dropped...it exploded....barely hurt him, seriously hurt someone else..and then he had the nerve to Request a medel for that injury. Most medels are NOT by request....they are given. But because he was injured on foreign soil they had to give him one. I read excerpts from the doctor in charge and he was totally disgusted...said that Kerry didn't even require stitches for that self inflicted -- or if being generous -- accidental wound.

I'm not voting btw. I can't chose either of them...and I think I would be wasting my vote on Nader who doesn't have a chance in hell to win.

Stormy

[Bigolli]

If I lived in the states I'd vote for Kerry, just to get bush out of the white house! But either way, the world is doomed!

[caregirl]

Well if you don't live in the U.S. then your opinion doesn't much count then does it?

Reasons I am voting for Bush.

1. I absolutely can NOT stand abortion, or even the thought of it. Expecially partial birth abortion, there is a human being there and they are being put to death when they did absolutely nothing to deserve it.

2. Bush (for the most part) seems to be a reasonably honest guy. And I like that, just straight up like that about him.

3. I hate the idea of welfare. Sorry but some chick getting money just because she has a mixed baby and now that baby is part of the "minority". Nope, she should get off her fucking ass and stop being a whore that takes hand outs.

4. I don't believe in all this bull shit about stem cell research. Wanna know why? Cause they use the DEAD BABIES FROM ABORTION for the research.

5. Yep, I'm a christian with christian ideals. So Bush (for the most part) seems to be right up my alley. And maybe Bush isn't perfect but he isn't Kerry.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by caregirl
Well if you don't live in the U.S. then your opinion doesn't much count then does it?

Reasons I am voting for Bush.

1. I absolutely can NOT stand abortion, or even the thought of it. Expecially partial birth abortion, there is a human being there and they are being put to death when they did absolutely nothing to deserve it.

2. Bush (for the most part) seems to be a reasonably honest guy. And I like that, just straight up like that about him.

3. I hate the idea of welfare. Sorry but some chick getting money just because she has a mixed baby and now that baby is part of the "minority". Nope, she should get off her fucking ass and stop being a whore that takes hand outs.

4. I don't believe in all this bull shit about stem cell research. Wanna know why? Cause they use the DEAD BABIES FROM ABORTION for the research.

5. Yep, I'm a christian with christian ideals. So Bush (for the most part) seems to be right up my alley. And maybe Bush isn't perfect but he isn't Kerry.

O god....tell me you're joking....tell me people like you are nothing but a bad joke.

[Trustkill]

who cares! they both puppets with with one guy's hand stuffed up their asses making them talk! vote quimby

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
O god....tell me you're joking....tell me people like you are nothing but a bad joke.

That's what I thought....

[StormyPeak]

..................4. I don't believe in all this bull shit about stem cell research. Wanna know why? Cause they use the DEAD BABIES FROM ABORTION for the research...................

[/B]

I think you are a wee bit misinformed on that. :rolleyes:

That is one of the biggest myths that the anti-abortionist put forth.

Stem cells can be taken from any birth...the umbicical cords for one. Also here is a link you should read.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/8/7/201806.shtml

Please take note of this paragraph towards the bottom of the article:

Simply put, there are many sources for stem cells, and they are just as effective as those harvested from living human embryos - a fact either ignored by the kill-the-embryos crowd or unknown to them.

Also, many stem cells could be taken from women who have just given birth...the umbical cords is a great source for them.


Stem Cell research could save a lot of people a lot of misery. I watched my grandma die of Alzhiemers and it's an ugly way to go.

Perhaps if it wasn't for this country being full ignoramuses who like people in the dark ages are afraid of science, then we would have been well on our way to finding a fix for that disease 10 years ago.


Stormy

[caregirl]

Sorry but I am such a naturalist. If something is going to happen then it just is. I'm not afraid of science I just don't think that shit is supposed to happen. It's not natural. I know this sounds awful but if I had cancer I would probably not take cemo(sp) or do anything for it. I know maybe I'm weird and I live in an alternate universe, but it's who I am.

My grandmother has dimensia or alzhemers (one of the two) and I don't think I'd want her "fixed" like that anyways. Yes, it is sad you are right, but I'm just not for all that junk.

And maybe they don't always use dead babies but they do use them.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by caregirl
Sorry but I am such a naturalist. If something is going to happen then it just is. I'm not afraid of science I just don't think that shit is supposed to happen. It's not natural. I know this sounds awful but if I had cancer I would probably not take cemo(sp) or do anything for it. I know maybe I'm weird and I live in an alternate universe, but it's who I am.

My grandmother has dimensia or alzhemers (one of the two) and I don't think I'd want her "fixed" like that anyways. Yes, it is sad you are right, but I'm just not for all that junk.

And maybe they don't always use dead babies but they do use them.

Just because you want to die an unnecessary death doesn't mean I want that aswell! I want the lifesaving technique available for me. You can always choose to NOT take the cure and die. Also who are you to decide whether your grandma gets fixed that way or not? Let her make her own decision.

Man with logic like yours no wonder your country is so fucked up!

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by caregirl
Well if you don't live in the U.S. then your opinion doesn't much count then does it?

Reasons I am voting for Bush.

1. I absolutely can NOT stand abortion, or even the thought of it. Expecially partial birth abortion, there is a human being there and they are being put to death when they did absolutely nothing to deserve it.

2. Bush (for the most part) seems to be a reasonably honest guy. And I like that, just straight up like that about him.

3. I hate the idea of welfare. Sorry but some chick getting money just because she has a mixed baby and now that baby is part of the "minority". Nope, she should get off her fucking ass and stop being a whore that takes hand outs.

4. I don't believe in all this bull shit about stem cell research. Wanna know why? Cause they use the DEAD BABIES FROM ABORTION for the research.

5. Yep, I'm a christian with christian ideals. So Bush (for the most part) seems to be right up my alley. And maybe Bush isn't perfect but he isn't Kerry.

I agree with 1, 2, 3 and 5. 2 is questionable though because Kerry and Bush are both in the same secret society club or whatever and I think anyone in clubs like that cannot be completely trusted.

[caregirl]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Just because you want to die an unnecessary death doesn't mean I want that aswell! I want the lifesaving technique available for me. You can always choose to NOT take the cure and die. Also who are you to decide whether your grandma gets fixed that way or not? Let her make her own decision.

Man with logic like yours no wonder your country is so fucked up!


Man you can't even go one post without trying to cut ppl down. Or down others opinions/beliefs, just because they aren't yours doesn't make them wrong. But I'm not gonna retaliate, however, I am gonna say ... let my grandmother who has ALZHEMERS or DIMENSIA make her own decision when she can't remember whether she BATHED or not. Yeah, that sounds like a smart idea. My mom picks out her clothes because she can't, but she should get to make a decision like that. Smart thinking, I'll let my mom know!

[Docta Beeeer]

Originally posted by caregirl
Man you can't even go one post without trying to cut ppl down. Or down others opinions/beliefs, just because they aren't yours doesn't make them wrong. But I'm not gonna retaliate, however, I am gonna say ... let my grandmother who has ALZHEMERS or DIMENSIA make her own decision when she can't remember whether she BATHED or not. Yeah, that sounds like a smart idea. My mom picks out her clothes because she can't, but she should get to make a decision like that. Smart thinking, I'll let my mom know!
My grandfather is the same way.

[r3n.d4n73]

I vote bush.

And Stormy, stop making so many friggin' long posts. It's almost boardering on the edge of a "I'm-too-lazy-to-read-this-long-crap" post.

[TopSecretBoy]

Bush pissed me off.

Top 10 reasons why I don't like bush (The president, dumb fuck)

1. Bush lies.
2. Bush knew about Sept 11th, and he allowed it. (Don't start a discussion)
3. There shouldn't be tax breaks for the rich. I'm not saying you should take all of their fortune, but come on, it's not like they can't afford it.
4. Tax breaks are for pussies.
5. He canceled the fucking comanche program. That's 20 billion down the fucking drain. The choppers were ready for mass production in 2 fucking years after 9 years of advanced research. The things could fly upside for fucks sake.
6. He *Got in* on his fathers name.
7. He fucked up Iraq vs Afghanistan. I don't give a flying fuck about Hussein, I want ladens head on a fucking in my front yard. He took resources away from Afghanistan to put into Oil Land. So much for Bin Laden, he left the country, and now we can't touch him.
8. If the FIRST Bush would have done his job, we wouldn't be in Iraq. I'm not saying I don't currently support the war, nor do I think we should leave. (Look up English history in south vs north Africa)

9. He's Christian. I don't have a problem with Christians in themself, but I don't like knowing that my "God leader" is influenced by something I don't believe in. It also pisses me off that he answers to the pope.

10. See below.

As for Abortion/Stem Cell:

1. Since Bush is president, that means he is the primary influence on Abortions and stem cell research. Now, since he's a CHRISTIAN president, that means he is soley against it. Meaning from all of the millions of people dying out there, they can't get help, because of the religious views of another person.

2. If you don't support abortions, don't use them.

3. If you don't support stem cell operations, don't use them.

4. If you don't support either, don't be a fucking prick about it and fuck over your next door neighbor who has a 15 year old kid that won't ever be able to walk again since the cancer spread to his lower spinal column. Just don't do it yourself.

5. Do I support stem cell or abortions? I don't know. Seriously, haven't made up my mind. All I know is: I'm not going to fuck up someone elses vision because it "Bothers me"

You see? It's like my view of homosexual people. It doesn't exacly float my boat, but who the fuck am I to say "No."? It's just ignorant, childish, and fucking greedy.

Have a great fucking evening A-Trip.

*Edit*

And, oh yeah. Carebeargirly girly, remember how you said you didn't like wellfare? Well, here's a snip-it: A lot of the people who are on wellfare are homeless people. And you know what? Over half of the homeless people in America are mentally retarded. It's true, they're abandonded by their family, and no one can do anything. They can't *Get off their ass* because YOUR GOD fucked them from the beginning. Food for thought, think about it.

[Yian]

Guys, we must vote for Nadar... Please vote for Nadar!

[MrBored]

Er, surely if 50% of what was in Fahrenheit 9/11 was true, Bush is the biggest liar on the planet and he's only in it for sweet Saudia monies? I mean damn, how can anyone vote for him.

Ohh you're against abortion, which is the "murder" of an unborn child ( as you would call it ), but what about the deaths of educated ( mostly ) and well trained troops that cost the state millions of dollars in a completely pointless war?? I like war as much as the next guy, but common.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by caregirl
Man you can't even go one post without trying to cut ppl down. Or down others opinions/beliefs, just because they aren't yours doesn't make them wrong. But I'm not gonna retaliate, however, I am gonna say ... let my grandmother who has ALZHEMERS or DIMENSIA make her own decision when she can't remember whether she BATHED or not. Yeah, that sounds like a smart idea. My mom picks out her clothes because she can't, but she should get to make a decision like that. Smart thinking, I'll let my mom know!

Not all people with DEMENTIA or ALZHEIMERS (gotta love the capslock eh?) are that far off. Some of them have some very good moments on which they can make decisions. So what if they decide to take their own live, or decide to take a form of treatment that will cure them? The "non-christian"-treatment (read: the non-stoneage-treatment)?
And yes I want to put you down. As far as I'm concerned you're just as stupid as our resident Pakis and I fucking hate people with a stupidity level THAT high. I mean you wrote "Bush (for the most part) seems to be a reasonably honest guy. And I like that, just straight up like that about him.", how goddamn retarted can you be? Little hint: if they ever find a cure against DEMENTIA despite the fact that idiots like you try to stop science, please take some of it cause I don't think you're here 100%.

[MrBored]

People with mental illness that prevents them from remembering anything should just be executed ( unless their family are willing to take 100% care of them for their own personal happiness, otherwise... click ), I mean whats the point? The only thing we have in life is our memories. If I ever got something like that I would just ask them to put me down.

Ooh, I just came up with a better idea, fuck this would rock. You take them and put them in the jungle with a whole bunch of other people with the same condition, then you give them guns and other weapons. After a lapse in memory they won't know where the fuck they are, this causes fear. Suddenly they see a person with a gun, so they think, is this person trying to kill me? why am I here, why do I have a gun? Maybe I should try protect myself. You get the picture. We set up video cameras everywhere in hidden locations and on the barrels of the guns and we have the next best reality tv show!

edit: I went off topic, but fuck, it was worth it.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by MrBored
People with mental illness that prevents them from remembering anything should just be executed ( unless their family are willing to take 100% care of them for their own personal happiness, otherwise... click ), I mean whats the point? The only thing we have in life is our memories. If I ever got something like that I would just ask them to put me down.

Ooh, I just came up with a better idea, fuck this would rock. You take them and put them in the jungle with a whole bunch of other people with the same condition, then you give them guns and other weapons. After a lapse in memory they won't know where the fuck they are, this causes fear. Suddenly they see a person with a gun, so they think, is this person trying to kill me? why am I here, why do I have a gun? Maybe I should try protect myself. You get the picture. We set up video cameras everywhere in hidden locations and on the barrels of the guns and we have the next best reality tv show!

edit: I went off topic, but fuck, it was worth it.

I think caregirl allready has a candidate for your little show:D

[greymeister]

Oh boy where do I start....

If Bush is anti-abortion like all these yokels who like him are saying...then why in 4 years with control of ALL THREE BRANCHES OF FUCKING GOVERNMENT didn't they do anything about it? Abortion has and always will be some bullshit ploy the Repubs pull every election year to try and swing rational people into their Kool Aid Camps in Bushtown.

Is it somehow ironic that most people who are against abortion are for the death penalty? Hypocrisy aside, apparently their stance is "let them live long enough for us to kill them later." What a bunch of garbage.

Oh yeah and I'm getting pretty fed up with this "Kerry applied for his metals" bullshit those liars are spreading. Anyone who isn't off his nut and knows anything about the military (not how it is now, how it was 30 or 40 years ago) knows they don't hand out Silver Stars, let alone Purple Hearts. It's already been proven the people behind "Swift Boat Veterans" were all Bush supporters and half the veterans had spoken well of Kerry's service before. But oh, now that it's an election year it's really convieniant to decide it wasn't honor worthy I guess...

[caregirl]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
I think caregirl allready has a candidate for your little show:D

You don't live in America, you aren't gonna get to vote.

Half of you aren't gonna get to vote cause you don't live here.

I'm done. We don't see eye to eye, that's all there is to it.

Edit: And if you notice you aren't making many valid points, you are just cutting me down for not thinking the way you do.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by caregirl
You don't live in America, you aren't gonna get to vote.

Nope it's too bad really, your country needs more people like me. People with some common sense.
Originally posted by caregirl
Half of you aren't gonna get to vote cause you don't live here.

So we can't give our opinion on this subject? Some of us think you're nothing more than a total dumbass on her way to vote for an even bigger dumbass, so naturally we respond.
Originally posted by caregirl
I'm done. We don't see eye to eye, that's all there is to it.

What's your point? Just because you chose to vent you idiotic opinion on the internet instead of saying it, we can't say anything about it?
Originally posted by caregirl
Edit: And if you notice you aren't making many valid points, you are just cutting me down for not thinking the way you do.
Well i'm glad you made some very good points. But somehow, looking back at some of them, I fail to see any intelligence in them. I wonder how that could be.

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by r3n.d4n73
I vote bush.

And Stormy, stop making so many friggin' long posts. It's almost boardering on the edge of a "I'm-too-lazy-to-read-this-long-crap" post.

Well, tough shit. :mad:

I Will Say what I want to say and use as many words as I feel I need to in order to express my thoughts.

As far as the long posts, you should also notice I don't flood the board with a bunch of one liners either. There's chit chat, and there's expressing an opinion...and I've been expressing opinions...not just making one liner comments.

If you don't like it, then don't read them -- Problem solved.

Stormy:

[caregirl]

It's amazing, I wasn't the only one that will vote for Bush. I was asked why, so I told my opinion. And it's also amazing that it's ok for you to voice your opinion (cause apparently your opinion is the "right" opinion), but for some reason my opinion is just venting and "idiotic". I'm not venting anything. I was asked for my opinion. You are right though, you are entitled to your own opinion, but it won't count come election time, and it isn't your country. So why do you care? I don't see why you insist on being so vicious(sp) to me, but I am not a dumbass and I am not inferior to you, no matter what you think. And my country needs more ppl like you? WTF, I'm sorry but my country doesn't need any more druggies.... with "superior thoughts" ... we have enough of those.

EDIT: This is for Chimmy. My very best friend. ;)

[MrBored]

Caregirl, the only reason the debate continued was because you let it. If someone disagrees with you, you can try once or twice to see if they understand your point of view. If they don't, just say fuck it and leave it be.

Originally posted by caregirl
WTF, I'm sorry but my country doesn't need any more druggies.... .

Even though you voted for one ( when he was in college eh? ). Also, there is a good argument towards drugs ( well, weed. ). Imagine Hitler had just decided to stay home and get high, that whole WW2 thing wouldn't have happened ( although I prefer the way the whole thing played out, far more entertaining...).

And StormyPeak, I don't think he was being agro when saying he didn't like the long posts, don't get so defensive.

females... :rolleyes:

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by caregirl
It's amazing, I wasn't the only one that will vote for Bush. I was asked why, so I told my opinion. And it's also amazing that it's ok for you to voice your opinion (cause apparently your opinion is the "right" opinion), but for some reason my opinion is just venting and "idiotic". I'm not venting anything. I was asked for my opinion. You are right though, you are entitled to your own opinion, but it won't count come election time, and it isn't your country. So why do you care? I don't see why you insist on being so vicious(sp) to me, but I am not a dumbass and I am not inferior to you, no matter what you think. And my country needs more ppl like you? WTF, I'm sorry but my country doesn't need any more druggies.... with "superior thoughts" ... we have enough of those.

EDIT: This is for Chimmy. My very best friend. ;)

My opinion isn't always right, but the reasons you gave for voting for Bush are downright idiotic. And what makes you think I'm a druggie?

[StormyPeak]

Originally posted by MrBored

And StormyPeak, I don't think he was being agro when saying he didn't like the long posts, don't get so defensive.

females... :rolleyes:

I wasn't doing anything wrong to warrent that comment.

If he doesn't like reading long posts that's his problem....and he shouldn't put the blame on me and try to tell me how to post.

Stormy

[caregirl]

Originally posted by MrBored
Caregirl, the only reason the debate continued was because you let it. If someone disagrees with you, you can try once or twice to see if they understand your point of view. If they don't, just say fuck it and leave it be.


Leave it be when I am getting verbally bashed for my opinion? Ok. It be leaved.

[MrBored]

Originally posted by StormyPeak
I wasn't doing anything wrong to warrent that comment.

If he doesn't like reading long posts that's his problem....and he shouldn't put the blame on me and try to tell me how to post.

Stormy

I wasn't saying you were doing anything wrong, chill. lol

[MrBored]

Just out of interest, if everyone who chose not to vote, voted for Nader, he'd win over Bush...

[Freakonaleash89]

Instead of all the Bush bashing, I'd like to know why Kerry would be the best choice, without mentioning Bush at all.

[TopSecretBoy]

Wow, that must have been one of my better posts I made since:

1. I prevented a clear and concice arguement.
2. No one flamed me.

[caregirl]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoy
Wow, that must have been one of my better posts I made since:

1. I prevented a clear and concice arguement.
2. No one flamed me.

[sarcasm] That's cause it was so long no one bothered to read it. :D [sarcasm]

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoy
Wow, that must have been one of my better posts I made since:

1. I prevented a clear and concice arguement.
2. No one flamed me.

It was so fucked up I didn't even want to start. Some of those statements are pretty crazy, I'd like to see some real proof for some of that.

[Striker]

First show some evidence of why Bush is so great. Or why anybody is so great, for that matter. Most of the statements in threads like these are just pure biased-bullshit. Very few posts are made with actual evidence.

[DanTheMan]

Gah, I'd love to start in on this thread, put it would probably end up with me and Chim swearing at each other. God knows how crazy those Dutch can be.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
It was so fucked up I didn't even want to start. Some of those statements are pretty crazy, I'd like to see some real proof for some of that.

Right back at ya, bitchface. Maybe my own viewpoints don't make any sense to your religious biasedness, so I'm sorry.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

You people have issues.. literally!

[Hobbes874]

Hobbes874 in 2040!

[Smapdey]

I want to see Caesar duke it out with Bush.

[r3n.d4n73]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
You people have issues.. literally!

We may have some...but does anyone know what Kerry stands for? I mean besides stuff on Iraq? And don't say what he says (he stands for what every American stands for morally).

[Smapdey]

This thread is just a little too stupid.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Originally posted by Smapdey
This thread is just a little too stupid.

No shit Jackson!

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Smapdey
This thread is just a little too stupid.
also about stupid people who are hungrey for power and people are the puppets who they play with

[Smapdey]

Yeah, American politics are disgusting, the sad thing is, I wouldn't vote for either candidate if I was threatened with death, and a lot of these people are willingly jumping on the bandwagon. I guess my gag reflex is just a bit stronger.

[Yian]

Originally posted by caregirl
Well if you don't live in the U.S. then your opinion doesn't much count then does it?

Reasons I am voting for Bush.

1. I absolutely can NOT stand abortion, or even the thought of it. Expecially partial birth abortion, there is a human being there and they are being put to death when they did absolutely nothing to deserve it.

2. Bush (for the most part) seems to be a reasonably honest guy. And I like that, just straight up like that about him.

3. I hate the idea of welfare. Sorry but some chick getting money just because she has a mixed baby and now that baby is part of the "minority". Nope, she should get off her fucking ass and stop being a whore that takes hand outs.

4. I don't believe in all this bull shit about stem cell research. Wanna know why? Cause they use the DEAD BABIES FROM ABORTION for the research.

5. Yep, I'm a christian with christian ideals. So Bush (for the most part) seems to be right up my alley. And maybe Bush isn't perfect but he isn't Kerry.

caregirl my friend:

It is good to see some one here still believes in the existence of God. But Bush might not be as an easy option as it seems. Here are my reasons.

I am not against the idea of abortion. I believe that the majority of American, however, will disagree with me, including you, obviously. It is, then irrelevant if the nature of abortion is acceptable or not, because in a democratic society like ours, if the majority agrees that abortion is unacceptable, it is unacceptable. What the minority could, and should, is to voice their opinion and try to convince the rest, and as a member of the same society, the majority should at least listen to what those points are before making their judgment. Democracy should be founded on the principle of "helping each other", instead of a race that is decided by number.

It is important that the will of the majority to be exercised, but it is also important that everyone is treated equal. Equality is what we have been fighting for over the centuries, and it is also what I believed I would stand for when I decided to come here.

If what you said is true, that you are a true Christian and hold your ideals and belief dearly, then you should agree that retaliation is not what Jesus had taught us when our enemy has put suffering upon us. 9/11 is a scar on every American's heart, and many have decided that we should strike at our enemy with vengeance and revenge the dead of our loved ones. It should be, however, also important that we gather our strength together and group our allies in this most desperate time.

But what has Bush done? Under his administration, America's list of ally grew thin. Nations rallied to Iraq for the peace of the world, to destroy Saddam's brutal regime that will one day threaten the world, to seek out WMD that is in the wrong hand. But no one found anything. There was no WMD.

It is under Bush's administration that American soldiers invaded Iraq despite the lack of UN's approval. True, UN is now corruptive and literally defunct, but by throwing away all the treaties and international laws, just exactly what has US demonstrated to the world? That US is the king of the world, and other people's opinion does not count? How can we expect that this administration would care for the mass, when it has already ignored the mass around the world in the most brutal way? The world is no longer safe not only because terrorists are running wild, but also American soldiers are free to invade whatever soil they see fit, in the name of "national security."

And it is to my greatest curiosity that just why you would think Bush is an honest man. His entire administration is based upon nothing but lies and deception. I wouldn't want to go into a lengthy discussion of the authentic of 9/11, nor will I discuss how he stolen the office despite of the well-know fact that he did not win popular vote, but the war against Iraq... this is one thing I will always hold against Bush.

The world is now safer without Saddam, but is it really why we attacked that place? US now controls 75% of the oil export, thanks to Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Oil in middies east is such a giant profit that most people do not grasp the scale it is involved. If it is true that Bush want to make Iraqi people's life better, why is he not sending troops to North Korea? Why not Cuba? Why not Tibet? Why not Indonesia? Why not send troops to protect Taiwan against China?

Why US troops, for the past decades, always go to the "familiar" spots, while the rest of the world suffer? Aren't they human beings that deserve the same attention and respect? Aren't they not equal, not worthy, like everyone else? Where was US when Kurds were gassed? Where was US when Tibetans were being oppressed? Where was US when "228 event" took place in Taiwan? Where was US when college students were being massacred in Tiananmen Square, and later being pursuit and executed? Where was US when Chechnya people's towns are bombed to the ground...?

Now all of the sudden, Bush think it is now right to get actively involved in other nations' business? Why stop there? Iraq is not the nation that's still suffering... right? Keep up, marines; we got more work to do?

You said that you do not believe the idea of welfare. Bush is a big supporter of welfare, however, if what you said before that is true: "he is an honest man!" US is now spending billions after billions of dollars in Iraq, helping them to build schools, training their troops, rebuilding houses that they bombed to the ground in the first place, and even give them free food. Has these Iraqi paid single US dollars for taxes? Have their fingers even touched the tax return form for even once in their life? Why do they get these money, under Bush's administration, and you seem to agree with Bush, thinking about voting him again, "all the way", while your fellow American "chick" needs money, but shall have none?

Will this "chick" fellow upgrade her status a bit by moving to Iraq, and become an Iraqi citizen? Will that, and then help her to get more respect from you, as a human being... in Iraq?

And do I need to mention how fat Halliburton has grown after the war?

Do I need to mention how our education is now in shamble? Education system needs no more acts or bills. It needs budgets, which are being converted into bombs and oil drills. There was a time that people raise their thumb when you say "American schools are the best!", now that statement only make people laugh.

Do I need to mention the PATRIOT act?

Do I need to mention Bush's attack on gay marriage? Homosexuality disturbs me greatly, for this is not only unnatural, but also sinful in Bible's teaching. But is this a nation of Christianity, or a democracy? Why they can't live the way they want, if they are not hurting the others? Where is freedom?

Do I need to mention how Bush's administration assaulted 1st Amendment in the past?

Do I need to mention that Bush is the only president that refused to meet with NAACP?

Do I need to mention how America exactly is recovering from the bad economy? So far the only sign of recovery is in the vice-president's mouth "we are doing better", while everything suggest otherwise. The poor rate has grown another 13%; the inflation is now on the rise. We have all the money to build bombs and train soldiers and give them away to Iraqi, but not enough to pay the wages?

Will Bush start paying attention to the manufacturing business. The backbone of the economy is slipping fast because of the unfriendly policies, while large companies monopolizing markets till there is no competition left. They are also our friends, for they all funded Bush's campaign or we will never have a president as lovely as Bush.

With all things said, let's not forget that as a true Christian, instead of worrying about some fetus or stem cells, how about start worrying the real people in the real world?

You might think that people that lives outside of America are not qualified to express their ideas... you might think they are druggies and all, but in my opinion, they might look at what our nation is becoming better then we do.

[caregirl]

Ok, So I'm not even sure where to start with that one. You have some good points, but (in my opinion) some not so good points. Well I will start at the bottom and work my way up. I never said they weren't qualified to express their opinions, but he wasn't expressing his opinion, he was bashing mine. And saying what an idiot I am, fuck you can read.

Then, you say why worry about the stem cell research and the dead babies they are using for it. Because those babies are death just like the ppl dieing in Iraqi. They are the future, and you got a point the future doesn't look to promising. But they are unborn children that aren't even being given the chance to see the light of day, colors, smell roses, play in finger paint for God's sake. And that thought makes me want to cry. Call me a girl, but it's not right. And TSB had a point they have found so many other ways to retrieve the cells, which FURTHER proved my point, why are they still using the dead babies? Why if it's more productive to use grown ppl's cells are we still using dead babies for the research?

And for some reason you think that being a Christian means we all believe in the same thing and that we are all perfect. Nope, that isn't the way it is. Some things bother me more than others, and innocent babies dieing , that bothers me a lot. Cause I adore little kids.

And I never said I believed in everything that Bush does, because a bunch of companies are leaving and taking their business to Mexico to get cheap labor and then selling the products over here. Which leaves less jobs for Americans. But if I'm not mistaken Clinton started that shit. Bush is just letting it continue. Which is a BIatch.

And if you have ever taken ELPS (Economic Legal and Political systems) in high school, you would know that our economy goes through a cycle, and there is nothing we can do about it. It is a 20 year cycle, and we have already been through the good part so guess what we are going through now? Gotta have ups to have downs. I'm not saying it's not completely Bush's fault, but most of it is not Bush's fault. It's is just the way our economy works.

Ok now about Gay marriage, plz don't take anything I am going to say as in "I hate gays". Nope, I don't hate them. My uncle is gay, but this country was founded on PRUDES.... not only prudes ... but CHRISTIAN prudes. And Christianity totally goes against it. Gay marriage, well, it isn't the same as marriage that is why we tack the "gay" infront of it. So I don't blame Bush for not giving them marital status, no matter what the fuck Rosie O'Donnell tries to do. This is what our country was founded on, its our ROOTS. And that is why ppl that move over here are gonna be like this isn't Freedom, because you don't understand. Sweetie it's never really gonna be Freedom, because there are rules and laws.... just the way that goes.

And you know what? Those ppl in Iraqi can't help that they need assistance, because they live in an almost non-existant country. So I don't blame Bush for freeing them, and righting a couple of wrongs. Yes, maybe in some ways he is fighting his father's battle. But in America we have it so good, and we don't realize how good we have it. So don't even talk to me about how the school system is awful. Every school I have attended has computers ... new technology ... grants from the government ... they go on field trips ... you name it .... brand new calculators. And I'm not saying that means the schools everywhere are like that, but they aren't as bad as the ones in Iraqi.

And we are helping Iraqi, and it's a good cause. Not welfare. And I'm sorry but America is so spoiled, that is why we have the women that do nothing but sit around and have "minority" babies so the government will give them money. Sorry, but they don't pay taxes to deserve it either.

And you want me to say just because I am a Christian I don't believe in this war? Nope, that's not the way it works. Everyone is different, and everyone is going to view the war differently. My views are .... we are the most powerful country and why are we going to sit here and let ppl attack us? We are just supposed doing nothing and become sitting ducks? An open target for terrorism? "Ok, you attacked us.... so we aren't going to do anything .... just do it any time you want". I have an "us or them" feeling on the war. And I'd rather it be them than us. Not that I agree with innocent ppl dieing, but some of them over there AREN'T innocent.

Ok well I am tired of typing, and I need a shower. Hurricane is coming soon and I gotta get packed and get out of here. You want to see America at it's finest .... come to Florida after the hurricane hits and see the unity produced here. That is what America stands for. And whether you believe it or not ... look around at all the ppl united because of this war. The ppl that are proud.... To be An American.

[Docta Beeeer]

I'm surprising myself when I say that I agree with Caregirl.

[Yian]

Yeah, some good points. Much better than flaming.

[MrBored]

Originally posted by caregirl
Then, you say why worry about the stem cell research and the dead babies they are using for it. Because those babies are death just like the ppl dieing in Iraqi. They are the future, and you got a point the future doesn't look to promising. But they are unborn children that aren't even being given the chance to see the light of day, colors, smell roses, play in finger paint for God's sake. And that thought makes me want to cry. Call me a girl, but it's not right. And TSB had a point they have found so many other ways to retrieve the cells, which FURTHER proved my point, why are they still using the dead babies? Why if it's more productive to use grown ppl's cells are we still using dead babies for the research?

And for some reason you think that being a Christian means we all believe in the same thing and that we are all perfect. Nope, that isn't the way it is. Some things bother me more than others, and innocent babies dieing , that bothers me a lot. Cause I adore little kids.


Where do you draw the line with calling something a kid or not. I don't know if you've seen an unborn fetus, but they're pretty disgusting and totally undeveloped, its less human than a chimp (98% dna match fyi). Next you will be getting all catholic and saying each sperm is sacred, cause its an unborn child and I shouldn't have dreams about naked chicks doing funky shit to me cause I will be killing little babies. Babies are usually aborted because they won't grow up to play with finger paints and shit like that. They will grow up with a parent that is addicted to smack, will live in a gutter and beg for food on the side of the street shortly before going into prostitution. Fun eh?

If you adore little kids so much, go adopt one from africa that is starving to death cause their parents don't know when to stop fucking. If I see one more kid on tv with flies on its face I might die laughing at their stupidity.

You also talk about those babies dieing like the people in Iraq... So you're gonna vote for the person who sent those people into iraq? Sounds like a contradiction to me. I'd choose marines over unborn kids anyday. Incase you hadn't heard, God has a hard-on for marines because they keep heaven full of fresh souls (its in the bible).

[Docta Beeeer]

In Africa, they have many children so that the children can tend for their parents.

[absolute_deviation]

if i could, i would vote for kerry.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by absolute_deviation
if i could, i would vote for kerry.
in the end , they all are alike :)

[MrBored]

Originally posted by Docta Beeeer
In Africa, they have many children so that the children can tend for their parents.

Thats what they'd like you to believe, but in actual fact its cause they can't stop fucking. How they gonna tend for their parents while lieing in on the ground covered in flies slowing rotting away?

[Yian]

MrBored, calm down, I don't think you are thinking straight right now.

[Striker]

I partially agree with Mr. Bored in the fact that the majority of abortions are done by people that under normal circumstances would not be able to care for the child and help it grow up and live a normal life. I personally think that abortion is the woman's choice, but that's just me, and I don't want to start a huge flame war about it. I just woke up, after getting very little sleep, so I didn't bother to read Yian or Caregirl's huge ass posts ;). Sorry, but I'll get to those when I'm more awake and can actually understand them, seeing as how they should both have some good points in there.

[MrBored]

Originally posted by Yian
MrBored, calm down, I don't think you are thinking straight right now.

Hehe, I think my tone came across a little differently than how I intended. I don't mind if they rot and die or have 5000 kids a week, doesn't bother me a single bit. More fertilizer for the arid soil eh? ;)

[caregirl]

I did want to make one last comment. Most of you talk about ppl in the armed forces like they are forced to be over there. They aren't. It was a choice they made when they enlisted. They choose to be over there fighting for our country. Like they are dieing and they don't want to, or like they never knew when they joined that it might be a possibility. I have a bunch of friends who just turned 18 and are dieing to join just to get to go over there and "blow shit up" . So don't give me this crap between innocent babies dieing and marines. plz. Also, they have programs to adopt kids in Africa, and one day I just might do that. But for right now it's a little out of my reach when I don't even have a degree, or a home that I would call "my own".

[Smapdey]

Woah woah woah there, anyone willing to stick you in place where you can be shot at is your enemy, the longer you remember that, the longer you live!

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by MrBored
Where do you draw the line with calling something a kid or not. I don't know if you've seen an unborn fetus, but they're pretty disgusting and totally undeveloped, its less human than a chimp (98% dna match fyi). Next you will be getting all catholic and saying each sperm is sacred, cause its an unborn child and I shouldn't have dreams about naked chicks doing funky shit to me cause I will be killing little babies. Babies are usually aborted because they won't grow up to play with finger paints and shit like that. They will grow up with a parent that is addicted to smack, will live in a gutter and beg for food on the side of the street shortly before going into prostitution. Fun eh?

When do you think a fetus becomes an actual human being? Are you saying that some children should be aborted so they don't grow up to live a horrible life?

I happend to be born into a pretty good family, and one that wanted me, but no matter what kind of situation I was going to be born into I would have wanted a shot at life. I think at the very least a woman in the US should have the child and just put it up for adoption. It's better than killing it.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
When do you think a fetus becomes an actual human being? Are you saying that some children should be aborted so they don't grow up to live a horrible life?

I happend to be born into a pretty good family, and one that wanted me, but no matter what kind of situation I was going to be born into I would have wanted a shot at life. I think at the very least a woman in the US should have the child and just put it up for adoption. It's better than killing it.

Yeah, until we have over population out the ass, a plague hits the orphanages that are over crowded and under funded and we have the second coming of the black death.

Great idea! I'm sure to be voting republican when I'm burning bodies in the streets.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Yeah, until we have over population out the ass, a plague hits the orphanages that are over crowded and under funded and we have the second coming of the black death.

Great idea! I'm sure to be voting republican when I'm burning bodies in the streets.
Somehow i agree with Smap here .

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by JerraMaya
Somehow i agree with Smap here .

What's the Muslim take on Abortion?

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Yeah, until we have over population out the ass, a plague hits the orphanages that are over crowded and under funded and we have the second coming of the black death.

Great idea! I'm sure to be voting republican when I'm burning bodies in the streets.

So you think murder for the common good is acceptable? How would you like it if you were the product of an illegitimate accident and your to-be mom would be a drugged up bitch. Wouldn't you rather just be alive than dead never having a chance?

I know that's not the best piece of writing right there but its pretty late and I'm tired.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Smapdey
What's the Muslim take on Abortion?
Abortion is not allowed in muslims , but some girls still do it when they come to know they are pregnant :mad: as its forbidden to get pregnant before marriage or without a proper bond between two people .

[MrBored]

Fuck yeah, forgot about that shit. You don't want to abort the babies, but they are bastard children from premarital sex, so burn them all, even the mothers. Surely leviticus ( think thats right ) has something to say about this. Probably involves FIRE FOR THE HEATHANS. BURRNNN HHEEERRRR ( said in a monty python, quest for the holy grail, witch scene, john cleese, voice ).

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
So you think murder for the common good is acceptable? How would you like it if you were the product of an illegitimate accident and your to-be mom would be a drugged up bitch. Wouldn't you rather just be alive than dead never having a chance?

I know that's not the best piece of writing right there but its pretty late and I'm tired.

How would you like to die of the Plague?

And if murder is so completely unacceptable, how come you fully support the unjust wars your favorite tyrant has been waging overseas?

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Its fucking hilarious to read y'all talk about politics and shit! Awesome.

[DanTheMan]

Hey, at least it actually stayed on topic for 4 pages.

[Downfall]

i was happy..this thread has stayed fairly on topic..a lot of politic threads to to crap. this one just had a little diharea.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Smapdey
How would you like to die of the Plague?

And if murder is so completely unacceptable, how come you fully support the unjust wars your favorite tyrant has been waging overseas?

I haven't heard about many cases of "the Plague" lately. Where the hell did that one come from.

Murdering isn't really unacceptable if they really have it coming (like Saddam Hussein for example) but unborn children are truely helpless and don't "have it coming". The war in Iraq helps prevent people from being murdered, by the removal of Hussein and his entire regime, and if that means a few people have to die for it then its completely acceptable.

[Striker]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
Murdering isn't really unacceptable if they really have it coming

So, say I get married later on, and then after ten years of supposedly happy marriage, I discover that she has been cheating on me with another man, and stealing my money. Therefor, she "has it coming," and if I take a knife to her stomach, it will be perfectly justifiable?

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
I haven't heard about many cases of "the Plague" lately. Where the hell did that one come from.

Murdering isn't really unacceptable if they really have it coming (like Saddam Hussein for example) but unborn children are truely helpless and don't "have it coming". The war in Iraq helps prevent people from being murdered, by the removal of Hussein and his entire regime, and if that means a few people have to die for it then its completely acceptable.

The plague is still very much around and alive. There are cases of it here in New Mexico, given the right conditions, yeah, it could wipe us out.

So murder is okay? It's negotiable?

More people are going to die removing Saddam than he ever managed to kill.

What about our good friend Osama? What ever happened to him? A man with a record of attacking the United States?

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Striker
So, say I get married later on, and then after ten years of supposedly happy marriage, I discover that she has been cheating on me with another man, and stealing my money. Therefor, she "has it coming," and if I take a knife to her stomach, it will be perfectly justifiable?

No, that should be handled in a different way.

The plague is still very much around and alive. There are cases of it here in New Mexico, given the right conditions, yeah, it could wipe us out.

Where did you hear about this I'd like to find outmore about it.

What about our good friend Osama? What ever happened to him? A man with a record of attacking the United States?

He deserves to die.

[Smapdey]

That's just it though, why are we bothering with Saddam when we can't get Osama?

And how is murder suddently a matter of circumstance? Thou shalt not kill should be pretty much bulletproof.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=512611&dopt=Abstract

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Northeast/11/06/ny.plague/
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_110602_nycplague.html

(I know those people)

http://www.health.state.nm.us/plague.html

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Smapdey
More people are going to die removing Saddam than he ever managed to kill.


Wow, that gave me a good laugh. Considering he had about a 30 year start on us, I don't forsee that happening.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by DanTheMan
Wow, that gave me a good laugh. Considering he had about a 30 year start on us, I don't forsee that happening.

Well your president is doing a damn fine job so far.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Smapdey
More people are going to die removing Saddam than he ever managed to kill.

I agree on your point
Operation Iraqi Freedom Slaughter

[Smapdey]

It is easily in the thousands now, how many did he kill?

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Smapdey
It is easily in the thousands now, how many did he kill?

I'm not sure but releasing that gas on that little village sure as hell boost his score. Not to worry though. Dubaya is cunning and sure as hell will get back on par.

[Striker]

I always found it idiotic how Bush managed to forget about Osama, the person who actually attacked our nation, and decided (as a dumbfuck would) to go after another nation on the supposed circumstance that he *might* have weapons of mass destruction, which haven't been found after over a year now. Go back to the enemy that actually did something to you, fucktard!

[Yian]

Originally posted by Smapdey
It is easily in the thousands now, how many did he kill?
Sorry Smap, I must disagree. Sadam's removal was one of the best side effects Bush's little operation has brought us. If the war was just about removing Sadam, I'm totally for it.

But we all know too well that Bush was there for the good of others, such as Halliburton & Friends. Also, US troops went in without a proper plan and Bush promised the soldier none of the outcome the war has delivered.

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
I'm not sure but releasing that gas on that little village sure as hell boost his score. Not to worry though. Dubaya is cunning and sure as hell will get back on par.

Haha yep, W is already setting up the Gas chambers and secret police forces as we speak. God forbid we might be, oh I dunno, rebuilding the damn country.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Striker
I always found it idiotic how Bush managed to forget about Osama, the person who actually attacked our nation, and decided (as a dumbfuck would) to go after another nation on the supposed circumstance that he *might* have weapons of mass destruction, which haven't been found after over a year now. Go back to the enemy that actually did something to you, fucktard!

They haven't totally forgotten about Osama, but it would be nice to see that they are still working on catching him, if they haven't already.

More people are going to die removing Saddam than he ever managed to kill.

Counting only americans, the number probably won't come anywhere close.

And smap: how do you draw the conclusion that since there are cases of the Plague found in new mexico that it is alright to abort babies to avoid a spread of this disease? A quote from one of the articles: "This is one of the few places in the nation where the plague occurs with some regularity." They are speaking of New Mexico. How can a few isolated cases of the Plague be grounds for the support of aborting babies?

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
They haven't totally forgotten about Osama, but it would be nice to see that they are still working on catching him, if they haven't already.



Counting only americans, the number probably won't come anywhere close.

And smap: how do you draw the conclusion that since there are cases of the Plague found in new mexico that it is alright to abort babies to avoid a spread of this disease? A quote from one of the articles: "This is one of the few places in the nation where the plague occurs with some regularity." They are speaking of New Mexico. How can a few isolated cases of the Plague be grounds for the support of aborting babies?

So only americans count? What are you? Fucking retarded? How many Americans has Saddam killed? How many have died trying to kill him?

I'm saying, adoption isn't the answer here, you want overcrowded and underfunded orphanages (because your party of choice isn't known for giving to the disadvantaged), you want the sickness that they will spread? What happens when you get a bunch of people together in poor living conditions?

So do we just ruin people's lives because the condom breaks? Is that it? And then we'll give the child a death sentence in an disease filled orphange? Instead of having a clean "death" as they aren't even alive (or at least awake) yet, we'll give them a slow painful and lonely death, even watching their few friends die alongside them? Yeah, mass adoption has worked well for China, it seems like a picnic.

And it isn't like other states can't catch it, it isn't like anyone is prepared for it, you're just aiding it along.

You say that aportion is wrong because it is murder, then you say that murder is debatable, where do your morals stand on a common ground? When do you not break your "principles"?

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Smap you rock! Exactly my thoughts, eventhough I don't think too much about politics!

[Yian]

I believe that if everyone thinks abortion is bad, then it should be discouraged and even outlawed. After all, this is a democracy. Be careful, though, because there was a time everyone thought weird ladies are all witches and we should BBQ them.

What I'm saying is that supporting, or disapproving, abortion is fine, but be sure it is your own thought, and be sure you are educated about th info you have at hands when you choose the side. You hardly see me make commencts on this matter because I'm really not sure about this thing... just can't make up my mind.

Also, I hope we can keep an open to a possiblity to a solution that can work out for both, It might be hard but if there is an oppertunity to do so, we should. Today's politics in US does not encourage "common solution" because conflicts is what gave them the advantage to wage wars on opinions, so they can use these opinions to achieve their own agenda. Try not to be influnce by this "choosing side" concept. It has done mankind no good sicne day one.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by DanTheMan
Haha yep, W is already setting up the Gas chambers and secret police forces as we speak. God forbid we might be, oh I dunno, rebuilding the damn country.

Good job on totally not getting my post, idiot. Releasing gas on a village was the handy-work of Saddam dumb fuck.

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Good job on totally not getting my post, idiot. Releasing gas on a village was the handy-work of Saddam dumb fuck.

No, you missed my sarcasm when I said that W is slaughtering innocent Iraqi's as so many people like to claim.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by DanTheMan
No, you missed my sarcasm when I said that W is slaughtering innocent Iraqi's as so many people like to claim.

Over 3000 civilians dead and counting...

[DanTheMan]

Really, and are those deaths from troop related killings or suicide bombers?

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Smapdey

You say that aportion is wrong because it is murder, then you say that murder is debatable, where do your morals stand on a common ground? When do you not break your "principles"?

I don't think abortion is wrong because it is murder, I think it is wrong because it prevents someone from ever having a chance at life. My decision on abortion has nothing to do with morals.

If the living conditions of these children start getting bad and disease becomes a problem, something will be done to correct it. I don't think it's necessary to plan ahead that far.

[Smapdey]

Well, certainly plenty of our troops have killed them. Imagine how many died in the bombing. The point still stands, why war?

Well Freak, you've backed into a corner. Why plan ahead at all in that case? Wait, our plan for the war in Iraq is a pretty good plan as it is.

Bush is a douchebag, most republican conservatives have no idea what they are talking about (apart from good reasons to jump on the stupid train) and strike me as when a group is struck by avarice in the purest form.

Good work guys, you're lead by a braindead moron.

[caregirl]

Saddam gassed over 200,000 of his own ppl after the first Gulf war. And that is just ONE instance. Wow ...... 3,000 seems a little pale in comparison.

[Striker]

3,000 civilians killed is still 3,000 civilians killed, no matter how you look at it.

[Docta Beeeer]

Originally posted by Striker
3,000 civilians killed is still 3,000 civilians killed, no matter how you look at it.
Well, if you ignore it...

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Well, certainly plenty of our troops have killed them. Imagine how many died in the bombing. The point still stands, why war?

Well Freak, you've backed into a corner. Why plan ahead at all in that case? Wait, our plan for the war in Iraq is a pretty good plan as it is.

Bush is a douchebag, most republican conservatives have no idea what they are talking about (apart from good reasons to jump on the stupid train) and strike me as when a group is struck by avarice in the purest form.

Good work guys, you're lead by a braindead moron.

We are the number one country in the world, if disease becomes a problem I am sure we are capable of taking care of it. Not doing the right thing just out of fear of a disease and crowded living conditions doesn't relaly make good sense considering the resources that we have here in the US. The US isn't some third world country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5933988/?GT1=5100

That's how many military personell that have died in the war so far, and I think it was probably just unavoidable that some innocent people were killed in the takeover process. Like caregirl said, Hussein killed thousands of his own people, the number we killed to acheive peace isn't much in comparison, and if he was still in power, he would probably have already exceeded that number in his own massacres by now.

[Smapdey]

Here's a better format: http://cryptome.org/mil-dead-iqw.htm

And dead is dead, it doesn't matter who you are, dead is fucking dead. Put your own life on the line first.

Freak, you do know that if Smallpox hit we would be completely unprepared, and many, many, many people would die. We are completely unprepared for plague, you really think that we could take care of ourselves? You're niave as can be.

I'm sorry, I was a little off, better numbers over here: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

And I'd like to see a source for that information.

[karny]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Freak, you do know that if Smallpox hit we would be completely unprepared, and many, many, many people would die. We are completely unprepared for plague, you really think that we could take care of ourselves? You're niave as can be.

Did you know that the US is stock piling the small pox vaccine for just that purpose many will die but it's not unprepared, neither is it as prepared as it could be.

EDIT: most of the naivity (is that a word) is from uneducation of the public, because the government is aware of the situations and their comities have organised plans etc.

[JerraMaya]

Planet of Apes white ape

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
We are the number one country in the world, i..

Number one in what?

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
Like caregirl said, Hussein killed thousands of his own people, the number we killed to acheive peace isn't much in comparison....

What peace?

[greymeister]

Good point. I'm glad that there we've achieved so much in Iraq at such a high price...and yet still all I hear about is violence in Iraq and dead US Soldiers and inummerable dead Iraqis. Good Job George, you're my hero. I guess I could achieve good grades in my class too by causing civil war and having everyone kill each other and replacing the teacher with a puppet. Yay! All A's for me.

[caregirl]

A little more info about our "failure" in Iraq:

Law/Governance:
Since July, the 25-person Iraqi Governing Council has had the authority to: name interim Ministers; exercise government oversight; prepare policy initiatives on Iraq’s national security, including reform of the armed forces, police and courts; lead development of a constitution; and approve Iraq’s national budget. 24 Iraqi Cabinet Members also contribute to the business of the government.


First time in 13 years, an ambassador to the US was appointed to restore diplomatic relations.


90% of Iraq’s districts have municipal/government councils with more than 19 million Iraqis engaging in local political discourse


Ministry of Justice has established a Council of Judges to oversee the judiciary and prosecutors. Also, defendants are now provided lawyers.
Public Health:
240 hospitals and most of Iraq’s 1200 clinics have reopened. 70 private hospitals are operating


800 tons of high protein biscuits have been delivered to 15 Governorates for malnourished children and pregnant/nursing mothers.


1.09 million humanitarian daily rations have been distributed to date.


22 million children and 700,000 women have been inoculated against diseases since the war; 90% of all Iraqi children now receive routine vaccinations


Pharmaceuticals distribution improved from 0 to 12,000 tons today,
more than $210 million approved for the Iraqi Ministry of Heath for pharmaceutical supplies and equipment, basic health care services, medical equipment and power generators for hospitals
Schools:
Nearly all schools are open and 5.1 million students are attending class


25 Fulbright Scholarships awarded for the first time in 14 years; Fulbright Office added 2 new programs for Iraqis


Over 13,500 school buildings in Iraq; $4.4 million spent to complete 2,299 school renovations; UNICEF and other NGOs are rehabilitating 105 schools; 183K desks, 57K chairs, 61K chalkboards and 25K metal cabinets have been distributed


33,000 teachers and 3,000 supervisors trained in instructional practices and classroom management strategies
Commerce and Trade:
Iraqis use a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years; 4.6 trillion new Iraqi dinars in circulation


Iraq Stock Exchange will open in April; Iraq Central Bank is fully independent and has been opened since Sept 03;


83% of all pre-war bank branches are open


Umm Qasr Port turned over to Iraqi control in Jan 04


393,950 jobs have been generated


Estimated crude oil export revenues exceed $3.3 billion for Iraqi reconstruction.


Telephone service continues to expand with 95% of service outside Baghdad.


More than 170 newspaper are published in Iraq
Power:
4400 megawatts per day is the current seven-day average, this is up from 300 megawatts per day in 2003.


USAID will spend more than $250 million infrastructure repair funds on power rehabilitation and an additional $75 million allocated to power reconstruction.
Water:
Coalition programs have cleared over 16,500 km of irrigation canals, helping over 10,000 farms


Water storage in most Iraqi reservoirs is approaching historic averages


Rehabilitated water treatment plants will treat nearly 800 million liters/day, benefiting 3.5 million people


90% of Iraqis will have potable water by Apr 05
Quality of Life:
Religious rites are being re-established for all sects.


New Ministry of Housing and Construction has started 1,008 new homes and is working with the UN to start 7 housing projects with 3,528 units


O.... and just to add this little bit. Bush is the only U.S. president to graduate with a masters, and had good grades.

[karny]

That certainly put it in a new light for me, i liked america before but now i have a reason to like it GO BUSH!!!

[Smapdey]

All to the tune of a few thousand dead and trillians of dollars of debt for us to pay off.

Let's take a look at a few of the fine gentlemen that were murdered on our noble mission (announced today), these are just the Americans:

The Department of Defense announced today the death of seven Marines who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Lance Cpl. Michael J. Allred, 22, of Hyde Park, Utah. Pfc. David P. Burridge, 19, of Lafayette, La. Lance Cpl. Derek L. Gardner, 20, of San Juan Capistrano, Calif. Lance Cpl. Quinn A. Keith, 21, of Page, Ariz. Lance Cpl. Joseph C. McCarthy, 21, of Concho, Calif. Cpl. Mick R. Nygardbekowsky, 21, of Concord, Calif. Lance Cpl. Lamont N. Wilson, 20, of Lawton, Okla. The Marines died Sept. 6 due to enemy action in Al Anbar Province, Iraq. Lance Cpl. Gardner was assigned to Headquarters Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, Calif. The other Marines were assigned to 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, Calif.

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Spc. Tomas Garces, 19, of Weslaco, Texas, died September 6 in Baghdad, Iraq, when his convoy was attacked by enemy forces using an improvised explosive device. Garces was assigned to the Army National Guard’s 1836th Transportation Company from Fort Bliss, Texas.

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Pfc. Devin J. Grella, 21, of Medina, Ohio, died September 6 in Iraq, after an improvised explosive device exploded near his convoy vehicle. Grella was assigned to the Army Reserve’s 706th Transportation Company from Mansfield, Ohio.

The Department of Defense announced today the death of an airman who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Capt. John J. Boria, 29, of Broken Arrow, Okla., died Sept. 6 from injuries he received in an all terrain vehicle accident in Doha, Qatar. Boria was assigned to the 911th Air Refueling Squadron, Grand Forks Air Force Base, N.D.

Well, look, a few people with wives, children, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends but I'm sure that the Iraqi's are thankful. Maybe that's why so many of them keep shooting at us!

Bush ties Hoover in terms of worst president in the past hundred years for the economy, and only slightly worse in terms of military activity. As well as being the dumbest president (really, he has the lowest IQ at somewhere around 80 [I have a 140 something], 2nd place is his father), and the only president to successfully buy an education. What, may I ask, is this masters in?

You know, the Nazi doctors got good grades too!

Bush has managed to kill more people this year than homosexual marriages, I'd like to see an amendment banning him.

[caregirl]

What is this "US" you speak of in your first sentence? YOU don't live in America. So the debt won't be yours to pay off.


**Bush ties Hoover in terms of worst president in the past hundred years for the economy, and only slightly worse in terms of military activity. As well as being the dumbest president (really, he has the lowest IQ at somewhere around 80 [I have a 140 something], 2nd place is his father), and the only president to successfully buy an education. What, may I ask, is this masters in?**

Where exactly is your proof for this? Sorry but a guy with an IQ of 80 wouldn't have made it to college. Not in this day and age, and not for any amount of money. And who gives a shit about what your IQ is? What does that have to do with this thread entirely?

And what don't you get about the fact that Sadam Hussein killed 30 times more ppl than this war has? What do you not understand about that?

And what don't you understand that those ppl are payed for their jobs, and they ELECTED to be in the US Forces .... they are PROUD to die for their country. No one made them join the military. Ask ANY military personnel from US, they are damn proud to do what they do. And who are you to deprive them of that? And imply that the fact that they are over there is horrible, and all of them don't want to be over there.

[Smapdey]

Before we go any farther, where do I live?

[caregirl]

Oh shit. My bad. Got you and Chimmy mixed up. Easy to do that with you two.

[karny]

Originally posted by caregirl
Oh shit. My bad. Got you and Chimmy mixed up. Easy to do that with you two.

Yea i know those dutch people are like camelions they blend in, so they can rip your spine from you when you least expect it.... come to think of it my secretary has been looking very disjointed.... i think she might be dutch, better kill her just in case.

[caregirl]

Originally posted by karny
Yea i know those dutch people are like camelions they blend in, so they can rip your spine from you when you least expect it.... come to think of it my secretary has been looking very disjointed.... i think she might be dutch, better kill her just in case.

I thought about saying they are both assholes ... but Dutch works.

[Striker]

They are both assholes because their views aren't the same as yours?

[Smapdey]

Well, I'd venture to say that her views are so incredibly fucked up, that I would be proud if she called me an asshole. It means I'm doing something right.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Well, I'd venture to say that her views are so incredibly fucked up, that I would be proud if she called me an asshole. It means I'm doing something right.

CANDLE PARTY!

[DanTheMan]

Sigh, this is why I try to stay away from politics here. Everything just ends up in one damn flamefest. One day, maybe one day, we can discuss differences without resorting to calling people fucktards and assholes.

[caregirl]

Originally posted by Striker
They are both assholes because their views aren't the same as yours?


Damn ya'll it was a joke. Sorry ... I should have done the [Sarcasm] tabs. You guys really don't know how to take jokes. Lighten up.

[karny]

Originally posted by caregirl
Damn ya'll it was a joke. Sorry ... I should have done the [Sarcasm] tabs. You guys really don't know how to take jokes. Lighten up.

It's not that it's just that when people say normal insults like asshole we think they mean it. If you had said something creative like the dutch thing then everyone knows.

[Downfall]

if your gona be sarcastic you at least have to be creative about it. like your a muckracking whore who loves getting double stuffed like an oreo.

see sarcasim

and back to politics

[Smapdey]

Well, I'd suggest that you sign up to die for your country before Bush starts conscripting.

You seem to think that murder is acceptable, you'd go far in the military.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by DanTheMan
Sigh, this is why I try to stay away from politics here. Everything just ends up in one damn flamefest. One day, maybe one day, we can discuss differences without resorting to calling people fucktards and assholes.

When the mods do it the most, it's not likely to ever happen.

Well, I'd suggest that you sign up to die for your country before Bush starts conscripting. You seem to think that murder is acceptable, you'd go far in the military.

Who is you? Personally, I don't have a problem with getting out there, but they don't pay enough money to be away from home like that. Pay me upwards of $250,000 a year and I might consider doing it, but for no less.

[Bhazard]

I say we all vote for Arny.

[caregirl]

I vote for Yoda.

End of story.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
Who is you? Personally, I don't have a problem with getting out there, but they don't pay enough money to be away from home like that. Pay me upwards of $250,000 a year and I might consider doing it, but for no less.

Well it was her, and it should be you. You're everything that is wrong with this country.

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Well, I'd suggest that you sign up to die for your country before Bush starts conscripting.

You seem to think that murder is acceptable, you'd go far in the military.

I'm sorry, but I find that hard to believe, seeing as our military is an all volunteer military. With the new reorginization of our divisions, we won't need a draft.

As far as your second statement, I'm not even going to go into that. Suffice to say that I find it surprising to hear an ignorant statement like that coming from you Smap.

[TopSecretBoy]

Does you think theres some way we can work wif the terrorists?

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by DanTheMan
I'm sorry, but I find that hard to believe, seeing as our military is an all volunteer military. With the new reorginization of our divisions, we won't need a draft.

As far as your second statement, I'm not even going to go into that. Suffice to say that I find it surprising to hear an ignorant statement like that coming from you Smap.

I know I shouldn't blame the soldiers so much, it should read that you'd go far in politics.

[TopSecretBoy]

I'd never blame our soldiers for this shit.

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Smapdey
I know I shouldn't blame the soldiers so much, it should read that you'd go far in politics.

It's cool, I'm just very protective of our boys in Iraq. I personally know about 6 guys over there, 3 of em are on their 3rd tours. They didn't get asked to go to those countries, but hey, when the President calls, you gotta go. You can debate the reasons for the war all you want, but we still got our guys fighting for us in Afghanistan and Iraq. Blame the politicians, not the troops.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

I cant delete this post.. damn you!

[Chimera[NL]]

I can't delete this thread damn you!

[bxx]

watch bush win by a landslide morons.

[Phobo]

I'd vote for Kerry if I were an american.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by bxx
watch bush win by a landslide morons.

He most definately will beacuse Kerry is a flipflopping shit for brains.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Phobo
I'd vote for Kerry if I were an american.

[Hobbes874]

The debate is on right now, I only watched a bit of it because Bush's stupidity could be felt through the TV. It sucked. He just keeps repeating the same dumb point over and over again, it's retarted.

[greymeister]

You know, that's exactly what I noticed. What were there 3 different sentences he said during the entire debate? I think they started "I wouldn't tell troops that they were fighting in a mistake," "We're working hard to fix are fuck-ups" and "He has been inconsistent" as if Bush's "We're going to get rid of WMD's...I mean to remove Saddam Hussein...I mean to free the people of Iraq from...themselves or something" isn't inconsistent at all.

[bxx]

fact of the matter is bush has been a great president for the last 4 years. he rose up to the 9/11 situation, the iraq situation and the economic situation. most important of all, hes never kept his real motives secret from the american people. would kerry have done better? would a man who is constantly doubting himself and coming back on his words be a great leader? most likely not. if you wanna vote for kerry, then you might aswell vote for transexual. is she a man or a woman? who knows!

[Phobo]

Originally posted by bxx
if you wanna vote for kerry, then you might aswell vote for transexual. is she a man or a woman? who knows!

No, he is a horse

[greymeister]

Originally posted by bxx
if you wanna vote for kerry, then you might aswell vote for transexual. is she a man or a woman? who knows!

Fact of the matter is....you are an idiot.

[bxx]

so im an idiot just because i take pride in being a republican? get bent newb.

[Striker]

This is why I don't like politics. Almost everybody's opinions on politics that I have ever met are entirely based upon pure biasedness, beit towards a particular political part or a specific candidate. I don't think that I've ever met a person who actually like a candidate for their plans of action or their accomplishments, and were able to see through lies they tell, as well as not backing up claims made by them with things like, "Well, [insert opposing candidate's name here] is a moron who got his daddy to pay his way through school." or, "[Insert opposing candidate's name here] tells nothing but lies."

Damnit, is it possible to have a good discussion without calling everybody that disagrees with you a fucktard or a moron simple because they have differing views?

[future man]

Originally posted by bxx
so im an idiot just because i take pride in being a republican? get bent newb.

No, you're an idiot because you're stupid, not because of your political views.

[dante.hk]

For those of you who chose "I'm not going to vote." why are you not voting?

[Striker]

I'm not voting for the whole "lack of age" thing. ;)

[karny]

I'm not going to vote because i'm an anarckist... cause 'an' 'arc' 'kist' me and said don't vote!

[greymeister]

Heh, people voted that they weren't voting.

[TheBob]

Originally posted by bxx
fact of the matter is bush has been a great president for the last 4 years. he rose up to the 9/11 situation, the iraq situation and the economic situation. most important of all, hes never kept his real motives secret from the american people. would kerry have done better? would a man who is constantly doubting himself and coming back on his words be a great leader? most likely not. if you wanna vote for kerry, then you might aswell vote for transexual. is she a man or a woman? who knows!

1) He was lucky to get the 911 sitution during his term. If it wasn't for the 911 day, he wouldn't have lasted this long. People are too busy trying to be patriotic to realise "He's a retard."

2) He caused the iraq situation. Personally I think it had to happen for democracy sake, but I think he went about it the wrong way (Not to start another flame war).

3) The economy got sooo weak because of the war and the rest of the worlds lack of confidence in bush. Why? Because he's a moron.

my point is this. To claim that bush was a great president because of an attack on american soil, and a war to free some oil, um...I mean people, from a "tyrant" is wrong. As for knowing his true motives. Only Bush knows his true motives.
I think that a man who can't even give a speach properly should not be president of any country IMO.

[MrBored]

Originally posted by future man
No, you're an idiot because you're stupid, not because of your political views.