Islamic Terrorism!!!!!

[AQUATIC KING]

what do u people say about it

[Phobo]

Well all kinds of terrorism is bad, because civilian people is the target.

[DanTheMan]

All terrorism is just abhorrent, it's just a shame that there has been more islamic terrorism lately.

[Chimera[NL]]

Terrorism is very subjective. What is terrorism to some is freedomfighting to others. That's what I say about it.

[AQUATIC KING]

yeah i agree with u

so here is another DOES RESISTANCE AGAINST US FORCES IN IRAQ IS TERRORISM OR FREEDOM MOVEMENT

[DanTheMan]

Blowing up your own people is not a very good way to achieve freedom.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Terrorism is very subjective. What is terrorism to some is freedomfighting to others. That's what I say about it. Uhhuh, mowing down 300+ children with an AK sure is some fucking freedom fighting…

[Smapdey]

Isn't the war in Iraq just Terrorism?

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Isn't the war in Iraq just Terrorism?

Terrorism as in indescriminately killing civilians, and repressing a people? Sure buddy, your right. Let's pull out and let Sadr do his "freedom fighting." I'm sure conditions will improve 100%!

I swear to God I get so pissed off when people compare our troops to terrorists.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by RADiator
Uhhuh, mowing down 300+ children with an AK sure is some fucking freedom fighting…

Well you didn't hear me say that.

[RADiator]

Ughh I think I better shut up about terrorism. With all the latest "events" I don’t think I am the best person to talk to about that subject.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by RADiator
Ughh I think I better shut up about terrorism. With all the latest "events" I don’t think I am the best person to talk to about that subject.
RAD it is really sad , Innocent Childrens target of Terrorism is very Pathetic and bad , Islam doesnt Support or Encourage anything like this . In Islam killing a unarmed man , women and children is strictly forbidden , reason of such acts is beacause those people who did this must have lost someone dear or many love ones by the hands of russian soldiers and by provoking them in such a way is very easy and result is this .
However in Iraq they are fighting for there freedom rights , yes Beheading people is not Correct , Suicide Bombers attack civilians is not right , but people fightng agaisnt armed US Soldiers is 100% right (thats what word freedom fighters stand for actually) , dont forget US Soldiers are also killing alot of Iraqi Women and Children, accidently or intentionally thats not important , what is important they are being killed . and US Soldiers themselves are fed up defending Oil Reserves and Important Buildings nothing else , they were sent into a War by a an Idiot with a very Pathetic reason, which is also called as cheating with your own people
Palestinians are also fighting for there rights , and i dont support there Suicide bombings on Civilians also .
Same is the case in Kashmir , i think and hope Kashmir problem will be solved soon , as both parties (pakistan and india) are on table talks and are also fed up ,so wanna end it.
and Same is the case in Chechnya , what chechens did was very wrong but they are also facing the same problem as the rest i mentioned above .
Samethiing is going on in Afghanistan , Fuck Osama Bin Ladin , Pakistan's ISI is tracking him down with help of FBI and CIA , but people of Afghanistan are suffering and dieing , they want there homeland back
All this is happening too Muslims
United Nations has Failed its perpose and stands no where now .
Whats the Future now ? if nothing is done , no one thinks about it .
Here are the possibilities ,
1 .There will be a Another World War between Nations
2. More Suicide and Lethal Assaults on Civilians
3. Mankind now owns so much lethal weapons that this world can be destroyed 64 times
4. Religious Wars are very very hard too stop , Until its a complete wiped out of one religion

So Bottom Line is something should be Done about whats happening in this world , before something Big starts and its unstopable and will bring distruction to both sides.

and Again i am very Sad for all the russian Children and Innocent Civilians killed .

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by JerraMaya
Here are the possibilities ,
1 .There will be a Another World War between Nations
2. More Suicide and Lethal Assaults on Civilians
3. Mankind now owns so much lethal weapons that this world can be destroyed 64 times
4. Religious Wars are very very hard too stop , Until its a complete wiped out of one religion

This is not a flame so here goes.

1. Will never happen if you ask me. There is no way you start a war these days without either the UN or the US intervening so nation vs nation war is out of the question.

2. True. Civilians are weak and therefore an easy target. They also create the largest outbreaks of anger, chaos and panic which is exactly what the terrorist want.

3. Yup.

4. Yup again. Religious zealots are very VERY hard to stop. They usually have no feeling, no remorse and therefore no barriers. And people with the least barriers always wins in a conflict.


PS. The title of the thread has been changed. My first post was a reaction to: "Terrorism what do you think."

[RADiator]

Originally posted by JerraMaya
...reason of such acts is beacause those people who did this must have lost someone dear or many love ones by the hands of russian soldiers and by provoking them in such a way is very easy and result is this... No actually its much simpler than that. The reason is as always money. These people where paid. Paid for the equipment which were delivered to the spot before the terract erupted. And for what its worth those weren’t just some goons, but a group of professionals. Of which speaks a tactically placed explosives, a well (or at least to the point) thought out plan of actions. Oh and terrorists themselves are of a mixed nationalities (at least they confirmed that).

[JerraMaya]

they are paid too do it or provoked , what they did or doing is going against Muslims and Islam , creating a bad image all over world :mad:
I dont even think they are muslims or human they are just animals and Money makes a person to do anything :mad:

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by RADiator
No actually its much simpler than that. The reason is as always money. These people where paid. Paid for the equipment which were delivered to the spot before the terract erupted. And for what its worth those weren’t just some goons, but a group of professionals. Of which speaks a tactically placed explosives, a well (or at least to the point) thought out plan of actions. Oh and terrorists themselves are of a mixed nationalities (at least they confirmed that).

I'm not really sure what your source is but I don't think the Russian television is really all too reliable. A lot of Chechnian (fucking word!) fighters are indeed motivated by hate due to loss of a relative/friend/etc. Professionals don't get run over by Russian forces that quickly. Besides why the fuck would you create a hostage situation for money? You know you can't escape!

[RADiator]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
I'm not really sure what your source is but I don't think the Russian television is really all too reliable. A lot of Chechnian (fucking word!) fighters are indeed motivated by hate due to loss of a relative/friend/etc. Professionals don't get run over by Russian forces that quickly. Besides why the fuck would you create a hostage situation for money? You know you can't escape! Ok, I'm in a good mood right now. And I really, really don’t feel like continuing this conversation for understandable (hopefully) reasons. Shouldn’t have started it to begin with, my bad.

[future man]

I seriously doubt anything could ever happen that would push me far enough as to killing innocent school children. If you can even see that as an acceptable reaction to any situation, you've got some fucking problems.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by RADiator
Uhhuh, mowing down 300+ children with an AK sure is some fucking freedom fighting…

Seriously, we should just nuke the fuckers who did that.

[Smapdey]

1. Will never happen if you ask me. There is no way you start a war these days without either the UN or the US intervening so nation vs nation war is out of the question.

Well, unless the US starts it, which yeah, we're doing.

As for Dan, where do you draw the line? What becomes terrorism and what becomes just? Where is the distinction? We've killed a lot of civilians in this war, several thousand, and we're certainly repressing people...

[dante.hk]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Well, unless the US starts it, which yeah, we're doing.

As for Dan, where do you draw the line? What becomes terrorism and what becomes just? Where is the distinction? We've killed a lot of civilians in this war, several thousand, and we're certainly repressing people...

Our soul intention of the war wasn't to kill civilians tho...that's just a bad side effect, if you will, of war.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Can anyone summarize about the whole children debacle because I usually do not read the newspaper nor have the time!

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
Can anyone summarize about the whole children debacle because I usually do not read the newspaper nor have the time!
here you go
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/06/russia.school/index.html

[Yian]

How do we define terrorism, in the first place? I guess any act that would strike fear to the society can be considered as Terrorism. But sam thing applies to the laws people make, so I guess, like what is already said, terrorism is subjective. Marriam-Webster Dictionary defines terrorism as "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion". By coercion, it means the act, process, or power to restrain or dominate by force; to bring about by force or threat. Basically, coercion is a synonym of force, so we can say that terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a way to enforce.

By this definition, we can say that the use of force that causes terror, fear, and scare to the civilians are considered as acts of terrorism. If Al Qaeda does exist, and Bin Laden did crash planes into the Towers, it is definitely an act of terrorism, and in defense of this nation we must try to strength our nation with a better security system, and try as much as we could to capture Bin Laden, while gaining allies to fight the world-wide terrorism.

And just exactly does the invasion of Iraq fits into all this, I really don'y know. Iraq has a ruthless, cruel, and unkind dictator as the leader, and it poses danger to the world indeed. What if I recall it correctly, Iraq is also a member of UN, which is why UN sent inspectors to see if it was necessary to sent in forces to shut down their nuclear programs, if they still have any. News report usually neglect to mention this in an effort to aid the overall patrotic atmsphere of Opearation Iraqi Freedom at the time when it was a hot topic, but the fact is that Iraqi did have a nuclear program, also with mobile facilities to produce chemical weapons. These plans were brought to UN's attention, and after the Persian Gulf War most of these stuff were destroyed.

But nevertheless, Sadam poses danger to the world. His funding to Terrorists were never brought onto tables as any specific evidences anywhere, thus no one except the experts at CIA knows for sure if Sadam truly funded the attack on 9/11 or not. And since CIA did no jackshit about the info they received on 9/ww for 5 years, they have no credibility, in my opinion, to say anything. But it remained true that Sadam is a man in obsession of torture and he did gased the entire village, thus it is a very solid assumption that once this man gains the capability of attacking other countries, which at the time he did though lacked the motives, he will if the circumstances requires him to do so.

So, maybe or maybe not this is how Bush and his cabinet thought, but if they are going to wage a war on the terrorists. why not tackle on the Big Boss first? So US attacked an UN member, despite of all the objection from the world. Spanish protested, Frach protested, Italian protested, Pope kind protested, my dad definitely protested... fuck hell, even American protested.

These protestors are obviously pussies when it come to war. But if everyone in the world are pussies, we will definitely live in a better place, for you hardly hear pussies waging war against each other since they are going to go fight the war themselves. But in terms of definitions, yeah this whole Iraqi thing sound like a big terrorism to me. Not that it makes it bad, though, I guess.

[AQUATIC KING]

and what about N.Korea does it too now posses a threat to world
and same for Iran

[MrBored]

I believe the prevention of the war in iraq as well as the removal of Saddam could have been achieved in a completely different way. The solution is relatively simple, but it would have taken longer.

Firstly, the cost of the war is roughly $131 Billion so far. If that money had been taken and placed into research grants for Hydrogen based energy systems, eg Fuel Cells and Nuclear Fusion ( more efficient that fission and without the same radiation problems, ie no uranium ) it would have removed the dependancy that the west has on fossil fuels. With that amount of money placed in R&D I'm pretty sure effective solutions could have been up and running before the end of the decade. In turn the power that Saddam and the Suadi's have would be slowly reduced to nothing. The capacity of Saddam to produce WMD ( even though he didn't :/ ) would have been reduced to nothing and if he was such a terrible dictator and he could no longer fund his military he probably would have been over thrown by the people of Iraq. This will also reduce the funding that the Bin Laden has and other terrorist networks (from the Saudi's, I don't believe for a second that Saddam funded them or even is on talking terms with Bin Laden). Without money these organisations can't function with the efficiency that they do today.

Once the dependacy on the middle east is removed, the US could pull out completelty. Basically isn't this what the terrorists want?

Now on a second note, people have talked about defining terrorism. Basically it comes down to how do you define right or wrong. We all feel that what is right and what is wrong is common sense and that every person knows it, but could it not be cultural? Its hard to understand and I don't full agree with it for the reason that wrong can be associated with pain and everyone definately understands pain, but it can be argued very effectively that it is purely a matter of perception. I will look to Star Wars for some good examples. People who have played KOTOR might see where I'm going. If you take the idea's of the Sith, they seem cruel and evil, but they basically follow natures rules of survival of the fittest. How can this be evil when its what occurs in nature? Sacrificing a few people for the greater good may seem like common sense to most people as well as being the "right" way, but for it to completely right, surely no one must die at all?

I have discussed this all with friends for hours on end before and the only conclusion I could come to is this. Might is right. And thats all you can really rely on. If Hitler had won for example, we would all follow his ways and that would be thought of as the right way. We'd all have adopted that culture at birth and it would take a lot for us to doubt it. He didn't win, so he was wrong and we're right. Therefore, our might made us right. Simple as that.

[Phobo]

I'm with Mr.Bored!

[TheKua]

Originally posted by MrBored
I believe the prevention of the war in iraq as well as the removal of Saddam could have been achieved in a completely different way. The solution is relatively simple, but it would have taken longer.

Firstly, the cost of the war is roughly $131 Billion so far. If that money had been taken and placed into research grants for Hydrogen based energy systems, eg Fuel Cells and Nuclear Fusion ( more efficient that fission and without the same radiation problems, ie no uranium ) it would have removed the dependancy that the west has on fossil fuels. With that amount of money placed in R&D I'm pretty sure effective solutions could have been up and running before the end of the decade. In turn the power that Saddam and the Suadi's have would be slowly reduced to nothing. The capacity of Saddam to produce WMD ( even though he didn't :/ ) would have been reduced to nothing and if he was such a terrible dictator and he could no longer fund his military he probably would have been over thrown by the people of Iraq. This will also reduce the funding that the Bin Laden has and other terrorist networks (from the Saudi's, I don't believe for a second that Saddam funded them or even is on talking terms with Bin Laden). Without money these organisations can't function with the efficiency that they do today.



I concur. Without the dominance of oil the Arabs have close to nothing.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by RADiator
Ok, I'm in a good mood right now. And I really, really don’t feel like continuing this conversation for understandable (hopefully) reasons. Shouldn’t have started it to begin with, my bad.

Sorry about my harsh post. It wasn't meant as such. What I meant to say was that the Russian side of this conflict isn't as clean as some people think. A lot of Russian crimes just don't make it to the international press.

Originally posted by future man
I seriously doubt anything could ever happen that would push me far enough as to killing innocent school children. If you can even see that as an acceptable reaction to any situation, you've got some fucking problems.

I'm not sure if that's directed at me but as I stated before, I did not approve this action.


Originally posted by MrBored
I believe the prevention of the war in iraq as well as the removal of Saddam could have been achieved in a completely different way. The solution is relatively simple, but it would have taken longer.

Firstly, the cost of the war is roughly $131 Billion so far. If that money had been taken and placed into research grants for Hydrogen based energy systems, eg Fuel Cells and Nuclear Fusion ( more efficient that fission and without the same radiation problems, ie no uranium ) it would have removed the dependancy that the west has on fossil fuels. With that amount of money placed in R&D I'm pretty sure effective solutions could have been up and running before the end of the decade. In turn the power that Saddam and the Suadi's have would be slowly reduced to nothing. The capacity of Saddam to produce WMD ( even though he didn't :/ ) would have been reduced to nothing and if he was such a terrible dictator and he could no longer fund his military he probably would have been over thrown by the people of Iraq. This will also reduce the funding that the Bin Laden has and other terrorist networks (from the Saudi's, I don't believe for a second that Saddam funded them or even is on talking terms with Bin Laden). Without money these organisations can't function with the efficiency that they do today.

Once the dependacy on the middle east is removed, the US could pull out completelty. Basically isn't this what the terrorists want?

Now on a second note, people have talked about defining terrorism. Basically it comes down to how do you define right or wrong. We all feel that what is right and what is wrong is common sense and that every person knows it, but could it not be cultural? Its hard to understand and I don't full agree with it for the reason that wrong can be associated with pain and everyone definately understands pain, but it can be argued very effectively that it is purely a matter of perception. I will look to Star Wars for some good examples. People who have played KOTOR might see where I'm going. If you take the idea's of the Sith, they seem cruel and evil, but they basically follow natures rules of survival of the fittest. How can this be evil when its what occurs in nature? Sacrificing a few people for the greater good may seem like common sense to most people as well as being the "right" way, but for it to completely right, surely no one must die at all?

I have discussed this all with friends for hours on end before and the only conclusion I could come to is this. Might is right. And thats all you can really rely on. If Hitler had won for example, we would all follow his ways and that would be thought of as the right way. We'd all have adopted that culture at birth and it would take a lot for us to doubt it. He didn't win, so he was wrong and we're right. Therefore, our might made us right. Simple as that.

Just some small things.
1. The technology for fuel cells and shit like that allready exists. Shell just bought them all up. Did you really think companies like Shell would just wait until the earth is dry? HA, they have bought the rights, prototypes, etc a long time ago.
2.(Osama) Bin Laden is a man, not a terrorist cell. Just so you know.
3.America can't pull out that easily since the whole Israeli situation isn't about power or oil but about "holy" land and who has the "rights" to it. Israel is an ally, you can't just back out when an ally is still in the conflict.

[FATMAN]

Actually The bin laden didnt get the money because of oil, its because his family run a construction company. Infact they are actually the ones that are supposed to make the tallest building in dubai in the coming years :eek:

[MrBored]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]

Just some small things.
1. The technology for fuel cells and shit like that allready exists. Shell just bought them all up. Did you really think companies like Shell would just wait until the earth is dry? HA, they have bought the rights, prototypes, etc a long time ago.
2.(Osama) Bin Laden is a man, not a terrorist cell. Just so you know.
3.America can't pull out that easily since the whole Israeli situation isn't about power or oil but about "holy" land and who has the "rights" to it. Israel is an ally, you can't just back out when an ally is still in the conflict.

1) I know the fuel cell tech exists. They used it on the craft that went to the moon, its old school, I meant more about implementing refueling stations and hydrogen production plants, offering subsidies for car manufacturers etc. The main thing is fussion, no one has got that right yet ( hot let alone cold ).

2) Obviously (Osama) Bin Laden is only a man, not a terror cell, but his whole family, the Bin Laden's hence the reason you may have thought I was using his name to describe a group, have lots of Saudi cash probably coming indirectly from oil. Don't try and tell me they have cut ties with him, I won't believe it for a second.

3) Yeah, I know that situation is a bit more complicated, but Israel can take care of themselves imho. They could be more of a silent ally and assist through back doors ( which they probably already do. ).

Originally posted by FATMAN
Actually The bin laden didnt get the money because of oil, its because his family run a construction company. Infact they are actually the ones that are supposed to make the tallest building in dubai in the coming years :eek:

Construction company that gets contracts from oil companies to probably build pipelines/ refineries etc etc.

[DanTheMan]

Originally posted by Smapdey
As for Dan, where do you draw the line? What becomes terrorism and what becomes just? Where is the distinction? We've killed a lot of civilians in this war, several thousand, and we're certainly repressing people...

I'll make it simple. We did not go to war in Iraq to intentionally kill innocent people. You can debate the reasons for the war all you want, but that is not one of them. Unfortunately, all wars have innocent casualties. There's not much you can do about it. Here is the thing though. When was the last time you heard on the news that our troops busted into building A, and killed X amount of civilians? No, most of the killing has been done by the extremists who are coming in from Syria and Iran to "Kill the Americans." Repressing people? You mean the majority of Iraqi's, or the radical minority? The Iraqi war had a two-fold outcome: We got rid of Saddam (good), but it destabilized the region and terrorist forces have gained a foothold (bad). To make my point clear, US soldiers do not intentionally kill innocents to make a point. Terrorists do.

[karny]

Jebus to much words for such a boring subject, i think i'll give this topic a miss.

do i get a cookie for such a useless post?

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by karny
Jebus to much words for such a boring subject, i think i'll give this topic a miss.

do i get a cookie for such a useless post?
No Cookie , you will be molested by three 60 year old honry men for such a act :p

[AQUATIC KING]

No Cookie , you will be molested by three 60 year old honry men for such a act
:o :p :D

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by AQUATIC KING
:o :p :D

Jesus, what's with you pakis and smilies?

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Jesus, what's with you pakis and smilies?
we know how to use smiles in a sentence , Smiles are there for this perpose :P isnt it ?

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by JerraMaya
we know how to use smiles in a sentence , Smiles are there for this perpose :P isnt it ?

Well congratulations, all you need to learn now is to use words in a senctence.

[future man]

Emoticon:
1. A way for idiots and/or illiterate persons on the internet to convey an emotion.
2. A way for outcast people online to attempt to be funny. Often employed by 'Goths' and Emos.

Dude, the girl I've been going out with for half a day dumped me... ;_;

Normal Person: Hey
Stupid Outcast Whiny Teen: 0_o I like bugs XD

[Docta Beeeer]

You want to know how we can get rid of terrorism? I'll tell you: KFC.

[karny]

Originally posted by Docta Beeeer
You want to know how we can get rid of terrorism? I'll tell you: KFC.

Kill
the
Fucking
Coons
??/?

[Stonex]

Ahhh i just love living in a backwater country - we have the ugliest. leader. ever (period, end of story) but thats the end of our worries.

I dont see the point in terrorism, sure it gets the point across - but for what? Who is left to express the opinions of a nation or group or what ever if they go blowing themselves up.

On the plus side, it has to end sometime, they'll run out of bombers.

Actually i reckon the US UN what ever, should just keep the fuck out. Lift the blood Geneva Convention, use an assassin, go in - find the leaders and blow them away. Who's going to coordinate terrorist groups with the leaders gone? Most people are too thick to act on their own accord anyway. And like hell i would stand up to Black Ops Personel.

War is pointless, and too many civillians get hurt. Out law guns and use swords, set up a battle field (Canada) and fence in all the people who want to fight for their country, and settle battles that way. Then all the die hard patriots get to have their fun, the US would be fucked because their grunts hate the thought of getting hurt, and no civillians get hurt. Understand? Good.

Oh and while we're at it, ban public religion, tear down churches, etc etc etc. If people want to be united under something, unite under the belief in the Human Condition, and the fact that we're fucking this world up. If you want to believe that god exists, or that the world was created by a massive hamster that swims in the ether, so be it, but dont you dare start flapping ur lip in public "spreading the word" we dont want to hear it - let us find our own way.

Im sick of this shit, im sick of individuals getting rich, im sick of seeing people suffer day in day out and for what? Nothing. There is not enough honour in the world these days, and all those who ARE honourable, are far too thin on the ground to do any good on a large scale. Things need to change, end of story - if they dont, well we're in some serious shit.
Im fucking sick of the United States thinking that they can go in and rule with an iron fist, many people have likened the United States to the Roman Empire, well the Roman Empire go too big, too unweildy and too sophisticated to be controlled, so it crumbled. Shoot george bush, blow the white house up and start again, Its called a comittee people, rule as one, not have one rule. There is no way a single man (or woman) can be expected to give the thumbs up to everything.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Stonex
Ahhh i just love living in a backwater country - we have the ugliest. leader. ever (period, end of story) but thats the end of our worries.

I dont see the point in terrorism, sure it gets the point across - but for what? Who is left to express the opinions of a nation or group or what ever if they go blowing themselves up.

On the plus side, it has to end sometime, they'll run out of bombers.

Actually i reckon the US UN what ever, should just keep the fuck out. Lift the blood Geneva Convention, use an assassin, go in - find the leaders and blow them away. Who's going to coordinate terrorist groups with the leaders gone? Most people are too thick to act on their own accord anyway. And like hell i would stand up to Black Ops Personel.

War is pointless, and too many civillians get hurt. Out law guns and use swords, set up a battle field (Canada) and fence in all the people who want to fight for their country, and settle battles that way. Then all the die hard patriots get to have their fun, the US would be fucked because their grunts hate the thought of getting hurt, and no civillians get hurt. Understand? Good.

Oh and while we're at it, ban public religion, tear down churches, etc etc etc. If people want to be united under something, unite under the belief in the Human Condition, and the fact that we're fucking this world up. If you want to believe that god exists, or that the world was created by a massive hamster that swims in the ether, so be it, but dont you dare start flapping ur lip in public "spreading the word" we dont want to hear it - let us find our own way.

Im sick of this shit, im sick of individuals getting rich, im sick of seeing people suffer day in day out and for what? Nothing. There is not enough honour in the world these days, and all those who ARE honourable, are far too thin on the ground to do any good on a large scale. Things need to change, end of story - if they dont, well we're in some serious shit.
Im fucking sick of the United States thinking that they can go in and rule with an iron fist, many people have likened the United States to the Roman Empire, well the Roman Empire go too big, too unweildy and too sophisticated to be controlled, so it crumbled. Shoot george bush, blow the white house up and start again, Its called a comittee people, rule as one, not have one rule. There is no way a single man (or woman) can be expected to give the thumbs up to everything.

Wow, you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about do you?

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Wow, you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about do you?

Second that.

[Yian]

Actually I think he is talking about an idealistic society and how we can get there. Too bad buddy, Communists tried it already.

[karny]

Originally posted by Stonex
some words n stuff

Are you actually from howic.... HAHAHA sucks!

[Docta Beeeer]

I like the sword idea.

[absolute_deviation]

I just hate the notion of nation building. Hey, if we wanna help, why don't we just give some bucks to the UN and let it do its thing. We do we need to barge into other people's territory. NObody wants this. Man i think Iraq was better off without us going in there. Now the entire place is just another breeding ground for terrorists. Atleast Saddam had a check on what was going on in his country. He might have tortured people but this war is not doing the iraqi's any good. now you get people from all over being killed each day.

As far as islamic terrorism is concerned, i don't know why people are being so ignorant about it. I am sick and tired of this kind of labeling. There is no need to stick the word islam in there. Terrorism is terrorism. When someone named Mohammed Qatar kills somebody and the fucking news covers it, It's pretty obvious that the guy is musliim. The reporter does not need to mention that a Muslim person did the killing. They trying to brainwash people if you ask me. Nobody's ever said, this chrisitan guy named Billy Madison killed his neighbour or whatever, then why they got to mention that this other dude was muslim. It's not Islamic terrorism, It just terrorism.

[Stonex]

Im just mainly talking abotu wasted life. And yes - fuck you, i do know what im talking about.

Yeah sure it is an idealistic society, but at the moment. Todays society can be summed up with one word: Chaotic

And it isnt working, have a look - the world is turning to shit and there just isnt enough people who care to do anythign about it.

If you want to pick out bits i wrote, i'll explain them for you.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Stonex
Im just mainly talking abotu wasted life. And yes - fuck you, i do know what im talking about.

Sorry, no.
Originally posted by Stonex
Yeah sure it is an idealistic society, but at the moment. Todays society can be summed up with one word: Chaotic

And it isnt working, have a look - the world is turning to shit and there just isnt enough people who care to do anythign about it.

If you want to pick out bits i wrote, i'll explain them for you.

Ok.

Originally posted by Stonex
Ahhh i just love living in a backwater country - we have the ugliest. leader. ever (period, end of story) but thats the end of our worries.

Yeah good point, your country's leader is ugly, hence New Zealand is a backwater country.

Originally posted by Stonex
I dont see the point in terrorism, sure it gets the point across - but for what? Who is left to express the opinions of a nation or group or what ever if they go blowing themselves up.

The leaders, the ones that haven't blown themselves up yet. The manuscripts they write before they blow themselves up. I don't know I might be guessing here. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Stonex
On the plus side, it has to end sometime, they'll run out of bombers.

Well you see we, in the real world out here, have this thing that is called sex. With sex comes babies, babies grow up and the form into what we call young men. Those young men can be brainwashed or simply convinced to blow themselves up for a certain cause. But before they die, THEY can make babies themselves too. Isn't that something huh? Yeah I know, magic.

Originally posted by Stonex
Actually i reckon the US UN what ever, should just keep the fuck out. Lift the blood Geneva Convention, use an assassin, go in - find the leaders and blow them away. Who's going to coordinate terrorist groups with the leaders gone? Most people are too thick to act on their own accord anyway. And like hell i would stand up to Black Ops Personel.

Wow you're really done your homework....or not. Terrorist cells are nearly impossible to destroy because they CAN operate without a leader. Killing the leaders makes them martyrs and only results in more and more people grouping behind the martyr ready to follow his footsteps. Another point well taken there Stonex, you're doing a mighty good job so far huh?

Originally posted by Stonex
War is pointless, and too many civillians get hurt. Out law guns and use swords, set up a battle field (Canada) and fence in all the people who want to fight for their country, and settle battles that way. Then all the die hard patriots get to have their fun, the US would be fucked because their grunts hate the thought of getting hurt, and no civillians get hurt. Understand? Good.

O yeah how stupid of us, all we had to do is ask, for instance, Bin Laden if he would just come to this little Canada-Arena and do a sword fight instead of blowing people up, torturing them, decapitating them. O man, somebody call Bush, this little New Zealand boy just found the answer. You see StoneX, terrorist are usually very angry, and sometimes even criminal, and a person who is angry and a criminal doesn't really like to fight the way you ask him to do. So I think he's not going to comply...weird isn't it?

Originally posted by Stonex
Oh and while we're at it, ban public religion, tear down churches, etc etc etc. If people want to be united under something, unite under the belief in the Human Condition, and the fact that we're fucking this world up. If you want to believe that god exists, or that the world was created by a massive hamster that swims in the ether, so be it, but dont you dare start flapping ur lip in public "spreading the word" we dont want to hear it - let us find our own way.

Yeah that's the way to go, oppres the people. "NO FREEDOM FOR YOU!" Dude another brilliant idea. Let's tear down everything we have achieved over the years and let's all go back to the fucking stone age. Freedom of speech? Who needs that anyway? Freedom of religion? Blah useless. Ok what else should we ban? Freedom to think what you want? Is that next?

Originally posted by Stonex
Im sick of this shit, im sick of individuals getting rich, im sick of seeing people suffer day in day out and for what? Nothing. There is not enough honour in the world these days, and all those who ARE honourable, are far too thin on the ground to do any good on a large scale. Things need to change, end of story - if they dont, well we're in some serious shit.

You hate people suffering? Then why did you want to throw away the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion? To make people happy? O and honourable? WTF is honorable in your eyes cause from what I've read here I come to the conclusion that you're simply too fucking retarded to see what a slice of bread is, let alone the difference between honourable and not honourable.

Originally posted by Stonex
Im fucking sick of the United States thinking that they can go in and rule with an iron fist, many people have likened the United States to the Roman Empire, well the Roman Empire go too big, too unweildy and too sophisticated to be controlled, so it crumbled. Shoot george bush, blow the white house up and start again, Its called a comittee people, rule as one, not have one rule. There is no way a single man (or woman) can be expected to give the thumbs up to everything.

Again I come back to your little "fuck all the freedoms"-remark: So you think the US can't intervene but you can? I like the way you think, I'm doing that since I read your first post, but I would just like to point that out to you again. Ok, moving on, shooting Bush and blowing up the White House sounds a lot like terrorism to me. I mean you're saying to want to kill a person millions of people have voted for. They WANTED to have that person there and now you come and say "I don't like the things you do. BOOM"? Wow I think this remark is the climax of your post. The stupidity is almost oozing out of every sentence, every word, every letter your small and incompetent little brain has barely managed to put on the internet. I salute you on that one.

Stonex, good job on your post. It's a beauty. Too bad it's too big to sig it, cause man I would've loved letting everybody know what a brainiac you are.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
cause man I would've loved letting everybody know what a brainiac you are.
Stonex dont mind chim, he is dutch ,
Just read what my sig says

[Docta Beeeer]

stonex u think you know what the Matrix IS but you dont. And CHIMera is going to cry to his Gay mom becuase he is DUTCH and GAY. like BINGO!

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Docta Beeeer
stonex u think you know what the Matrix IS but you dont. And CHIMera is going to cry to his Gay mom becuase he is DUTCH and GAY. like BINGO!



HAHAHHA, classic! Dude you're on a roll!!!

[Docta Beeeer]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
HAHAHHA, classic! Dude you're on a roll!!!
Just like When I Roll the VAGINA of your mom onto the Bed and make her SUCK DICKS.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Docta Beeeer
Just like When I Roll the VAGINA of your mom onto the Bed and make her SUCK DICKS.

yeah kinda like that.

[absolute_deviation]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
yeah kinda like that.

what a shame!

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by absolute_deviation
what a shame!

There is no shame in that, only honour. Ha.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
There is no shame in that, only honour. Ha.
what ?

[sideshowbob]

Fuck terrorism. I think its about time the US took someone their own size on. USA vs China&Korea (North and South - they can settle their puny differences later).

Nobody wants Africa, so I'll be safe.

[Smapdey]

Except other africans and the aids virus.

Is that country the shithole that I think it is?

[sideshowbob]

Absolutely.

Terrorists are like children who don't get enough attention. Ignore them long enough and they'll go away or grow up sooner or later. Sure, they may break shit along the way...

[MrBored]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Except other africans and the aids virus.

Is that country the shithole that I think it is? If you stay out of the major cities then its very far from being a shithole. We own England about 10 times over. I haven't been to the US so I can't compare. We're cheaper have a lot of space ( our malls and houses own ) and we have more freedom because we don't have 2000 million cameras everywhere. I like to speed when I drive and if I lived in the UK I would probably end up losing my license. I don't know anyone with aids, but I'm sure there are plenty at the varsity I go to. Aids isn't a problem here if you don't have it ( besides the orphans ), they'll just die off and leave a lot of job openings for other people who need it and know how to apply a condom.

[LynX]

Terrorism is on the rise, and there seems to be no way anyone can stop it from happening.

So in the worst case scenario, we'll see police states: to combat terrorism, a national emergency will be declared. Perhaps a worldwide one, if the event is major enough. Emergency powers will be exercised, which means bringing in the military to enforce order. Everyone will be monitored, where they go, what they're doing 24/7, what they buy, who they meet etc.

Basic freedoms will be conveniently forgotten because of the fear of terrorism, and people will willingly give them up those freedoms in exchange for safety. Curfews will be imlpemented and enforced, with severe punishments to any who break them.

This scenario looks very possible. I thought it a novel idea for in steampunk, but looking back from what is happening today, its not so impossible now.



Sideshowbob: trying to fight with another country with nukes is a very bad idea. Sure they're deterrent weapons, but they are still there. At some point in the war, the losing side will launch their nice huge arsenal, and we'd have a nice worldwide nuclear winter. Both China and US alone have more nukes than anti-missile defences at home.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

Shit is hitting the fan! Shit is hitting the fan! Shit is hitting the fan!

[Hitman]

I say kill them all.


The US military approves this message.

[sideshowbob]

Originally posted by MrBored
If you stay out of the major cities then its very far from being a shithole. We own England about 10 times over. I haven't been to the US so I can't compare. We're cheaper have a lot of space ( our malls and houses own ) and we have more freedom because we don't have 2000 million cameras everywhere. I like to speed when I drive and if I lived in the UK I would probably end up losing my license. I don't know anyone with aids, but I'm sure there are plenty at the varsity I go to. Aids isn't a problem here if you don't have it ( besides the orphans ), they'll just die off and leave a lot of job openings for other people who need it and know how to apply a condom.
Stop with the fucking advertising!! You WANT our country overrun by Americans, Europeans and the sorts?

Its a shithole! Stay away!

[Smapdey]

Don't worry, I'm sure plenty of us are completely at home here in the states.

I'm beginning to think that all Americans are barbarians with big nuclear cudgels, we really should just improve our school system.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Don't worry, I'm sure plenty of us are completely at home here in the states.

I'm beginning to think that all Americans are barbarians with big nuclear cudgels, we really should just improve our school system.

No Goddamnaggedidamnit! We needs us some mo' guns. You aint gonna catch a goddamn sand nigger with no school system or what ever fancy you mister scientists make up. Goddamn hippies!

GO BUSH!

[MrBored]

Originally posted by sideshowbob
Stop with the fucking advertising!! You WANT our country overrun by Americans, Europeans and the sorts?

Its a shithole! Stay away!
Shh, I was trying to lull them into a false sense of security so they would come here and visit our town ships in new plush mercs and bmw's so the hijackers wouldn't need to venture out to our residential areas and we'd get some peace!

[sideshowbob]

Coming to Africa is a major health risk. I heard of this european guy who caught aids on a plane entering Africa - no sex or anything! I tell you, Africa is bad news. Stay away!!

[Smapdey]

Dude, I think I know that guy!

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Dude, I think I know that guy!
Yeah it was your mum.

[wangstramedeous]

-NM-

My bad.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by wangstramedeous
j0 sideshowbob,

Coming to Africa is NOT a health risk. And if you knew anything, you would know its impossible to get infected by HIV unless through some kind of sexual transmission or getting bitten by an infected animal.

I'm sorry but that comment is just blatant bullshit and you shouldn't put up shit like that. I would let you know that although the media always gives the image of africa "as a down trodden backward land ravaged by war" that's hardly the case. In fact if you maintain healthy lifestyle while in africa, chances you live longer there than say in the US.

Ehm dude, he was joking.