Console Debate (Gamecube Vs. Xbox)

[Smapdey]

When it comes down to how great a console is, it's not a matter of hardware (in most cases) or controllers, it's a matter of games and fun. The games for each system are what make or break the console. This is evident in PS2's success, it has the largest gaming library, hands down. No one can touch it in terms of games available and as fun as those games may be. The real argument lies with the Gamecube and the Xbox. The Xbox has no titles that are completely exclusive that people will be talking about for years to come. Splinter Cell and Halo are the only ones that are really worth owning and with Splinter Cell on every system (or it will be soon, with added features to boot) and Halo shortly coming to PC, Xbox has failed in the gaming arena. It's simply got nothing worth owning for it that you can't get someplace else. The Gamecube, on the other hand, has loads of exclusive titles that are some of the funnest in years. Metroid Prime, Resident Evil, Super Mario Sunshine, Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Rogue Squadron, and many more are all games that the Xbox can't touch. You might make the case that Halo could compete with Metroid Prime but that's only because of Xbox's multiplay capabilities that are better implemented on PC as it is.

Anyone got anything not stupid to say to this?

[Odm]

You forgot SSB Melee :P And yes, Smapdey, I agree, though I seem to be the only person who does... Xbox is ok, but I'm pretty sure it's more expensive, and bigger. Bigger= More space taken up under my TV= more likely to overheat... But Xbox does have some nifty features...

[Odm]

DAMN I want Zelda and Metroid Prime.... two more months!

[Smapdey]

I'm mearly arguing games, that's what really matters in the console wars.

[Odm]

I guess I did go a bit off-topic... But my opinion is clear

[Smapdey]

Gamecube is the better gaming system. Hell, I'm willing to say it's the better, cheaper, more reliable, more fun system.

[Odm]

I think a lot of people are simply too attracted to PS2 or too put off of Gamecube's "kiddiness." Me, I love their games, even Super Mario Sunshine... Well, it's actually a really good game, but it's definitely aimed at young people

[RAY16]

IMO xbox is the better system, the only gamecube games i think are worth buying are metroid and Zelda. The best Xbox games are not out yet, but are coming soon.


Star Wars: Knights of the old republic
Halo 2
BC
Malice (sp?)
Brute Force (Seems really good)
Starcraft: Ghost
Return to castle wolfenstien: tides of war
Midtown Madness 3 (XBL will own j00)
Soul Calibur II
DOOM III
Phantasy Star Online

Then there are the good games already out:

Halo
JSRF
Progject Gotham racing
Splinter Cell
NFL Fever 2003
Mech Assualt (Crap single play, but XBL is sweet)
pretty much any game supporting XBL
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
DOA3 (Don't you just love polygonal b00bs?)
Panzer Dragon Orta

I know now all the games I listed are XBOX exclusive, but they have the best graphics of the bunch. Especially malice (sp?), which is completly different from the PS2 version, added bumpmapping, and other XBOX specific features. Splinter cell too, it will just not look as good on other consoles. Don't flame me, this is my opinion on the matter, and I am entitled to my own opinion.



*Edit*

I can't beleave I forgot these:

Kameo (sp?)
Conkers Bad Fur Day 2 (Acording to IGN its been confirmed)
Perfect Dark Zero
Swat: Global strike team
Fable
Dues EX: Invisible War


And some other games.

[Odm]

I'm blissfully ignorant of any good Xbox games except HALO. What I mean by that is I've only played 1 Xbox game, so I don't have any experience with it. By the way, the game wasn't HALO, but my friend has described HALO in great detail...

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
and Halo shortly coming to PC, Xbox has failed in the gaming arena. HAHAHA, lol, microsoft is gonna make twice as much money with HALO on computer.


also, there's a matter of the DVD player, the Hard Drive, and built in ethernet cable. With the hard drive they can preload levels very easily, (proof in the very few loads of halo). Don't go off saying "GC is just a normal console!!!!!!!" cuz the HD does more than hold songs.

Again, i stress that if you were to buy as many memory cards as what came with XBOX you'd have to pay at least $18,000 USD. You can't go from HD to memory card very easily

Now you're gonna say "Well, the only way to show it to a friend is to bring the bulky xbox to the friend's house." Just buy a memory card.



the only reason Microsoft did so badly is cuz it's a newcommer, and nobody had any deals with them yet. Which is a wonder why it's doing twice as good as GC.

[Odm]

I don't know anything about Xbox, so I'm not even going to try debate anything here. But my bubble is a very strong bubble

[cr3am]

and Real Crime or something

[Odm]

Ummm... cr3am what the hell did you mean by that?

[cr3am]

video game title... the one that takes place in LA

[Odm]

That just shows my ignorance of Xbox games :D

[Smapdey]

It's not doing twice as good as Gamecube. I remind you of the Asian market, arguably the most important one.

You're avoiding my point, Hardware is nil without games. Exclusive Games. There's only one really great Xbox exclusive, that's Halo. There's simply no real reason to buy an Xbox.

I'm even going to go out on a limb here and tackle the Xbox harddrive, you simply don't need that much memory. I have one memory card and it's not even 1/4 full and I have 7 games on it. That only cost twenty dollars.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RAY16
Star Wars: Knights of the old republic
Halo 2
BC
Malice (sp?)
Brute Force (Seems really good)
Starcraft: Ghost
Return to castle wolfenstien: tides of war
Midtown Madness 3 (XBL will own j00)
Soul Calibur II
DOOM III
Phantasy Star Online

Then there are the good games already out:

Halo
JSRF
Progject Gotham racing
Splinter Cell
NFL Fever 2003
Mech Assualt (Crap single play, but XBL is sweet)
pretty much any game supporting XBL
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
DOA3 (Don't you just love polygonal b00bs?)
Panzer Dragon Orta
I can't beleave I forgot these:

Kameo (sp?)
Conkers Bad Fur Day 2 (Acording to IGN its been confirmed)
Perfect Dark Zero
Swat: Global strike team
Fable
Dues EX: Invisible War


And some other games. no games?


and smapdey, if you had a harddrive, you would be saving a buttload more stuff, cuz you don't have to worry. You prolly have one save for each of the 7 games, i prolly have 10 saves for each 6 of my games (i'm poor)

[cr3am]

AND, you can save songs onto your xbox, and play them ingame. I don't think you could do that with a memory card

[Odm]

cr3am, do you own a Gamecube? Smapdey, do you own an Xbox?

[cr3am]

ODM, have you played GC or XBOX?

[Odm]

GC, but like I said I'm not going to argue with you...

(Ed- I played Xbox once, and all I learned is that I disliked the controller.)

[Smapdey]

Keyword here buddy: "EXCLUSIVE".

I have three accounts for each game (that's the max) and it just rewrites the saves. Why do I need to play songs in game? They already have music and I have a stereo that I can do that with already.

Damn near everyone I know owns an Xbox. I've played with it inside and out. I know the console very well.

[cr3am]

DOA3?
JSRF?
Gotham?
Fever?
Mech Assault?

a shitload of those upcomming ones


dude, Microsoft has been in the console business how long?

They were bound to make mistakes, thinking that games meant quantity, not quality. But their lineup is gonna kick the shit out of Nintendo (even more, and i'm talking about America, that's were we live smapdey), and hopefullyXbox 2/Xbox Next/whateva is gonna have better games than GS3, and nintendo's next thing

[Smapdey]

That's just it though, those titles aren't very good. Gamecube wins this round. Xbox 2 isn't out yet, and we can only go by what's coming out for this console (the one we can play cr3am).

[cr3am]

dude, XBOX is beating GC, wtf you talking about?

[Smapdey]

CoughcoughAsiacoughcough

[RAY16]

Do you live in asia Smap? I don't think so... So why does it matter? Xbox is second in USA. Let asian people complain about Xbox, IN ASIA.


Also, puting a HD in a console is the best idea ever. Unlimited saves, custom music, Downloadable addons through Xbox-Live, The abillity to update your Xbox OS, or update games that shiped with a horrible bug (They should of been properly check for bugs to begin with, but thats not the point). All these things are only possible on Xbox. And you say you would never use custom soundtracks? What if a really good game got released, with a horrible soundtrack and it ruins your experiance?



*Edit*

And to add to the Xbox HD thing, I still have over 50,000 blocks of space left on my HD. Thats with 2 full CDS of music, and about 200 Saves. I don't think i'll ever have less then 50,000 blocks on my HD.

[cr3am]

1 block=8 MB i think

also, about the HD, it allows bigger things to be preloaded

[Smapdey]

Dude, Wind Waker has no load times. Zilch! None!

[cr3am]

and it looks SO much better than halo

[RAY16]

Dude, Wind Waker has no load times. Zilch! None!


Correction: It has no load times when you are exploring the world, but it does load the dungeons.



and it looks SO much better than halo



Yes, it looks better then Halo 1. But thats because Halo was not made for Xbox hardware from the start, it started its life on the PC. Back when GeForce 2's were the best cards around. Halo 2 looks much better then Zelda. Real-time reflections, bumpmapping on almost everything, low-poly models that look like high poly models because of bumpmapping and the modeling "style" called normal mapping. Real-time shadows with fully self-shadowed characters, and last but not least some of the best lighting around, only DOOM III can compete.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RAY16
Yes, it looks better then Halo 1. But thats because Halo was not made for Xbox hardware from the start, it started its life on the PC. Back when GeForce 2's were the best cards around. Halo 2 looks much better then Zelda. Real-time reflections, bumpmapping on almost everything, low-poly models that look like high poly models because of bumpmapping and the modeling "style" called normal mapping. Real-time shadows with fully self-shadowed characters, and last but not least some of the best lighting around, only DOOM III can compete. dude, that was sarcastic. Have you seen the zelda game? Just from the commercial i could see that the world had about 10 polies per thing, and zelda look like a little rat that i could draw in two seconds. Everything looks unskillfull (but cool, don't get me wrong)

so, your choices are:
green
a grassy field with some rocks over there, trees sprouting, water running down

[STDStud]

I have both PS2 and XBOX, i prob wont get a GC, because theres too many "kiddy" games IMO, theres a few exceptions i can think of, Die Hard Vendetta, and Resident Evil Zero but for the most part there not really any Teen rating games, at least i dont see advertised. So i dont think i will be getting GC anytime soon.

[RAY16]

I do think Zelda looks a little better then Halo 1.... But not a million times better, Halo 1 still has all the pretty bumpmapping and whatnot...O_o

[cr3am]

i'm not talking about style, i'm talking about detail

[Smapdey]

cr3am, shut up.

Wind Waker looks grade A fucking awesome. It looks better than Halo, and besides, Halo singleplay sucked. "Wow, I just cleared another room and about 50 OTHERS THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT!!" Besides, Halo PC will kick halo Xbox's ass and it's only a matter of time before Halo 2 is coming to PC as well.

Once again, you avoid the whole argument I present, Xbox has no great exclusive titles. Find one absolutely AMAZING and EXCLUSIVE title for Xbox and I will go buy one. Until then, shut the hell up.

[NiSythe]

HA HA how about Kung Fu Choas! Just Kidding. Well, the day that they make a Real Mario Game and not Mario Sunshine is the day i buy a Game Cube. Mario Sunshine was such a disapiotment, it was like made for 2 year olds. Now Super Mash Bros that is a Game and a Half, but not as good as the Orginal. Still i will always worship my Xbox

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
cr3am, shut up.

Wind Waker looks grade A fucking awesome. It looks better than Halo, and besides, Halo singleplay sucked. "Wow, I just cleared another room and about 50 OTHERS THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT!!" Besides, Halo PC will kick halo Xbox's ass and it's only a matter of time before Halo 2 is coming to PC as well.

Once again, you avoid the whole argument I present, Xbox has no great exclusive titles. Find one absolutely AMAZING and EXCLUSIVE title for Xbox and I will go buy one. Until then, shut the hell up. HALO, and btw, i could draw zelda.

also, this is already off topic, it's already become a debate of halo vs zelda.

and sure, halo single play sucked :rolleyes::rolleyes:

what game DOESN'T have the same characters repeating?

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by cr3am
HALO, and btw, i could draw zelda.

also, this is already off topic, it's already become a debate of halo vs zelda.

and sure, halo single play sucked :rolleyes::rolleyes:

what game DOESN'T have the same characters repeating?

It has the same rooms repeating dude. And have you ever played Zelda? NOOOOOOO!!

You're still avoiding the point.

[cr3am]

same rooms repeating? could that be cause it was the same level twice, and you had to go the other way the second time?

could it be that in the future, they make the rooms that do the same thing, look the same?

[Smapdey]

Once again, avoiding the point.

EXCLUSIVE TITLE?

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by RAY16
DOA3 (Don't you just love polygonal b00bs?)

I actually cry when i play that game (not really, but I could), just the shear beauty of it *sniff sniff*

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Once again, avoiding the point.

EXCLUSIVE TITLE? HALO

[Jaredster]

Originally posted by cr3am
dude, that was sarcastic. Have you seen the zelda game? Just from the commercial i could see that the world had about 10 polies per thing, and zelda look like a little rat that i could draw in two seconds. Everything looks unskillfull (but cool, don't get me wrong)

so, your choices are:
green
a grassy field with some rocks over there, trees sprouting, water running down

Wow cr3am, by that i dont think you should reply in this thread anymore.

[Smapdey]

Halo is coming out for PC pick again.

[Odm]

Originally posted by Jaredster
Wow cr3am, by that i dont think you should reply in this thread anymore.

Ummm... why not?

[RAY16]

Halo is coming out for PC pick again.



Its still considered a exclusive title since the PC is not a console. Just like GTA3, And vice city are exclusive to the PS2 console. PC's don't count in the console wars.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Halo is coming out for PC pick again. HALO... is it out for pc? so it is exclusive. And what RAY16 said


Edit:
btw, i'm not at all saying that zelda is a bad game. i'm sure it's HELLA fun! But i'm only saying that HALO looks better IMHO.

[Smapdey]

I'm talking completly exclusive because certainly the PC does have some effect in the console wars.

[RAY16]

Not really, console games are normally way different then PC games. Not to mention a good computer cost much more then a $200-$300 Console. PC gamers are picky bastards that cry when they don't get 100FPS. Console gamers sit on their couch's or beds and play with a controller, and don't even know what thier FPS is. The console market is much different then the PC market because of those 4 major difference's. Price, User Base, Type of User, Type of games. If you look at the majority (sp?) of PC games, they are, on average more complex then console games.

IMO, i don't care about exclusive games. What matters is that the game is good. Splinter cell may be multiplatform now, but the PS2 version will not look as good. Wreckless is one example, when it was ported to the PS2 it lost a lot of graphical goodness, most of the games effects were done with pixel shaders. The only other console out that is able to display graphics on par with XBOX is GC. And even GC doesn't have Bumpmapping or pixel shaders.


P.S. About that last statment, i'm not sure about wether or not GC has those abilities because i've never seen it in any game, or heard about it in the few reviews i've read. So don't get all pissy if i'm wrong.

[Smapdey]

Ray, you're hands-down, a total fucking moron, PC Gaming has a huge impact on the world of console gaming and visa versa. Multiplatform gaming such as Splinter Cell is a great example. I can make Splinter Cell look a whole lot better one my Alienware than I can on Xbox (Xbox is basically a failed PC). Also, Splinter Cell is better on Gamecube because of the features it has that Xbox don't (Gamecube link). Gaming is gaming. Look at all the PC users that don't play console and look at all the ones that play both and tell me that they don't mess with each other. They do. You're blind to think that they're completely seperate markets.

You're still not responding to my challenge of naming a great exclusive title for Xbox that I cannot get anywhere else either now or in the foreseeable future.

[RAY16]

I don't feel like continuing this mindless conversation on exclusive games, and which console is better. I have better things to do, like play my games instead of talking about them. Good day sir.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Ray, you're hands-down, a total fucking moron, ass hole

Originally posted by Smapdey
You're still not responding to my challenge of naming a great exclusive title for Xbox that I cannot get anywhere else either now or in the foreseeable future. do you see HALO on PC? so it IS exclusive



you seem to be failing to recognize the fact that YES microsoft has shit games. Let's all clap for smapdey. The 1 and a half year old company didn't get lots of good deals! WHAT A SHOCK! :eek: :eek:

[crack_monkey]

the x-box is much much beter than gamecube but i like my ps2 alot beter than either one and if i had the chance i would kill or at least hurt anyone who buys one

[Smapdey]

Monkey, I know you're on crack but I might consider your opinions valid if you could possibly write them out in ENGLISH. THANK YOU.

[cr3am]

read mine f00

[future man]

i i dont think he doesnt think your not a jackass

[Odm]

Well, I doubt either of you is going to end this debate... All I have to say is to each their own.

[Smapdey]

Quiter.

[Odm]

I was never arguing in the first place

[aphremen]

How long before M$ makes x-box v1.5, then X-box 2.0 and ya'll will have to buy that? then how much will X-box rock? I'm sorry but I don't want to see MS dominate the console world. Don't get me wrong I like the X-box but I don't think it should be #1, then MS would get all evil like they are with the OSes.

[NiSythe]

Nintendo will always be good, i will admit that, but seeing Wind Waker in Cartoony style was a major disapointment

[portzebie]

XBOX SUXS:D NUFF SAID

[aphremen]

Have you played the game? Probably not, 'cause if you were you'd be saying "at first i thought the style sucked, but then I played the game and it knocked my socks off. It was several days before I found them again."

[robo85045]

bolth have problums: xbox only has mass destruction games with "blood and gore" ware no skill is required, and nintendo is mostly aimed near children. and the fact that 3rd party developers avoid gc because xbox fans tend to "exagerate" on how nintendo is doing.

read this:

So, I am quite sick with all these posts and all these topics. The media are trying to create a fake image about Nintendo. And we are asked to believe the hype. Nintendo is dying. That is what they say. That is what they want us to believe.

By magnifying every single weakness of the Gamecube, and obscuring every single advantage, they try to bash it. They create paper walls as if light cannot pass through them. They play with your mind. They have labeled everything Nintendo as something kiddy, forgetting that games were initially created for kids and still should be the main target. The have labeled Nintendo as "lacking 3rd party support", yet Nintendo's list is growing and has attracted more bigger names than Microsoft's XBOX.

They also try to move the "war" to a battlefield they can easily win. They have tried to persuade you that Nintendo Gamecube does not sell. That Nintendo Gamecube is the ultimate flop, the ultimate failure in the gaming industry, the worst console ever created, completely obscuring Nintendo's commitment to videogames and fun.

And I ask you! Are we here to believe everything that is served to us "as is"?
For how long we will keep succumbing to everything they spit?
When playing Nintendo videogames will once again become the synonym to playing Good Videogames?

Let them be. Let them talk and let them crawl. Let them Believe the Hype. Maybe it is better this way. Nintendo gaming does not need, does not DESERVE ignorants. Let's play, and let's be proud for this.
We were born to play. Now labeled "idiots", still, we know.

Let's keep playing, let's keep our faith in the Nintendo Gamecube. No matter if we are third or fourth or fifth in this stupid console "wars", let's keep on playing 24:7.
Since when a game's sales had anything to do with its QUALITY?
Let marketing do it's dirty job. You know that it is better to have your eye taken out than having your name shattered.
We lost our name, but still we know that we were doing everything right. SO, keep on playing. After all...

When the ignorants started playing videogames, it was already too late to tell them the difference between a good videogame and a good... Nintendo videogame.

Be proud, and keep on. Play Metroid and then wonder:

If Nintendo is Dying, then... why it's requiem is the magnificence called the Gamecube?

Then, ...Believe the Hype.

~gamefaqs user Grey Rain Cloud | 1/22/2003 6:16:11 PM


and the followup is here (http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=editorials&editorial_id=13 (http://www.gamecubeland.com/index.php?page=editorials&editorial_id=13))

[Yian]

How can someone call Eternal Darkness kiddy?

[cr3am]

i'm sorry, once i got to this point in that post, i stopped reading:
"more bigger names"

[Yian]

I'm not quite sure what that means... attract more bigger names... does he mean the game title, or the developers? or something else?

[Smapdey]

That made my head hurt, but he was pro gamecube, so he's good enough for me.

[cr3am]

Just for my official word:
I don't think GameCube sucks. I think it's got some good games, and a lot of kiddie games. Kiddie games are good for the people that like that style.
Also, the controller is gay, looks like a little toy, and the layout sucks. But if i had it, i'd get used to it.
The minidisc was a bad idea.
The lack of expansion was a bad idea.
But every console has things to bitch about! GameCube is good, just not my style!

PS2 on the other hand, it sucks. I will never forgive Sony for fucking up the game industry for so many years.

XBOX i love. My only complaint is the lack of good, exclusive games... but when you think about it, Microsoft is new, so they don't have many alliances. You can expect that to change for the NextBox (or whatever it's called)

So yeah:
GC = Good, not for me
PS2 = Crap, Sony should die
XBOX = Good, not enuf good games, MS will do better next time

[Smapdey]

I think that the Gamecube's Minidisk idea was a horrible one. I'm contemplating getting an Xbox to play Fable and because it can play DVDs for me, in my room.

The controller actually isn't bad at all. It's very easy to use, you can just get confused on button layout at times.

PS2 won this round because of games, although it's hardware is mega shit, it combined the best of both worlds and won.

Xbox is sort of this hazy spot for me, I've gone back and forth on it again and again, but my girlfriend has one and she likes it and I could get one and we could Xbox live each other.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Smapdey
PS2 won this round because of games, although it's hardware is mega shit, it combined the best of both worlds and won. IF ps2 didn't keep games from developing for so many years, i wouldn't hate it so much

[sushi128]

ok.......how, again, is the PS2's hardware shit? please, i need technical reason, not "dude, just look at those games!"

[robo85045]

Originally posted by cr3am
Just for my official word:
I don't think GameCube sucks. I think it's got some good games, and a lot of kiddie games. Kiddie games are good for the people that like that style.
Also, the controller is gay, looks like a little toy, and the layout sucks. But if i had it, i'd get used to it.
The minidisc was a bad idea.
The lack of expansion was a bad idea.
But every console has things to bitch about! GameCube is good, just not my style!

PS2 on the other hand, it sucks. I will never forgive Sony for fucking up the game industry for so many years.

XBOX i love. My only complaint is the lack of good, exclusive games... but when you think about it, Microsoft is new, so they don't have many alliances. You can expect that to change for the NextBox (or whatever it's called)

So yeah:
GC = Good, not for me
PS2 = Crap, Sony should die
XBOX = Good, not enuf good games, MS will do better next time


lack of exspantion? if you mean a port to plug things like usb, ilink, internet, exc, it has 2 on the bottom.

edit: it has 2 empy slots on the bottom whare you plug in seprate modules that you need to buy.

most of the games use the control layout efectivly. the control was desined on how often you use a certan button and to make it feal "natral" (no idea, but you get use to it)

the reason nintendo chose "minidisk" was to suposivly prevent copying of the games.

[cr3am]

ps2's hardware was outdated by at least two years when it came out

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by cr3am
ps2's hardware was outdated by at least two years when it came out
just because it's hardware is dated doesn't mean it can't still be the industry leader (which it is). the PS2 wins this battle easily.

[sushi128]

lol, come on cr3am. i respect u and all, but the P3 733 in the xbox? geforce 3? sounds kinda dated to me ;)

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

dude ps2 is the best gaming system ever.. not only do u get to play the whole collage of games that were on ps1, u also get to play ps2 exclusive games.. it is by far the best and i totally agree that when it comes to hardware sale u have to look at the availability of games.. and for me if i go out now and buy a console it would most definitely be a ps2.. just coz i can play so many games on it.. there are just too many to list on a fucking forum!..

back to topic.. between GC and XBOX.. i must say both have some really awesome games.. XBOX has mechassault WHICH IS A FUCKING EXCLUSIVE.. graphics & gameplay are waaaaayyy better than what Mech warrior 4 had to offer on pc.. and also Panzer Dragoon Orta just kicks ass!.. I dont know much abt consoles but these two alone with the addition of halo, doa3, some rally games render the purchase of XBOX valid.. also i forgot project gotham racing which is also cool and 2 and halo 2 will blow u away..

coming back to gamecube for what its worth and price.. i would say getting a cube just to play metroid prime or sanitys requiem is worth the bucks.. the console wars are shit!.. for all its worth i would say get em all 3 really.. they all have some exclusive titles enough to warrant the purchase!.. it is always better than getting a pc imo.. coz a pc costs around 1000 bucks + and for that u can own all 3 consoles and a whole collage of games! (read sales etc)

I am a pc gamer so u would understand my point of view better.. the only grudge for me for a console is when the FUCK UP FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS ON CONSOLE.. everything abt consoles is right.. but playing FPS on consoles just sucks donkey balls.. i think thats abt all i have to say here.. plus this thread is pretty useless and we have 16 yr olds trying to measure the size of their pathetic dicks.. plz make it a learning argument not a pissing contest!

what smap started was fine but u should learn to listen.. what Odm said is atleast true that he only wrote what he knew!

[wilsongrantme]

Gamecube wins this battle hands down... It may have some "kiddie games" but it also has many teen games... And some M's... Overall I think we should all forget the rating's and focus on how fun the game is! This is what matters! The ratings were just made so "mommy" could "deside" weather or not "jonny" should get the game! Not so stupid idiots can say "O, when you blast someone's head off theres not enough blood, so its a horrible game. Anyway, back to the point, I already have a computer and it plays DVD's and I think many other people also do so what again is the point of buying the xbox? It plays music?!?!?!? I have a cd player, and I dont need to waste time transferring my mp3's to a GAMEconsle that plays music. Lets not forget that the xbox is the size of a tank, and theres no way to bring you saves anywear without halling your system everywear. So whats left? Wow, a nice shoot em' up game called Halo... Its coming out for computer, and there are many other games that are like Halo. I dont need to buy a xbox for a "nice" fps...

Edit: BTW, as far as the people saying xbox's graphics are much better than gamecubes because of the prossesser speed diff, I found a nice paragraph about this:

The biggest misconception about a system's "specs"? It HAS to be the processor speed. Everyone CLAIMS that Xbox is capable of MUCH better graphics than Gamecube simply because its processor is significantly more powerful. WRONG. Gamecube has several little techniques up its sleeve (like processing several things at one time, instead of individually, like OTHER consoles). Every Xbox fan boy I've seen talking about which console is best, always emphasizes the processor speed. I mean, a computer with 3 Gigahertz with a lame graphics card isn't going to function as well as a computer with 1 Gigahertz and an awesome graphics card, it's as simple as that.-CHAD PHILLIPS

[aphremen]

I'm amazed this thread is still alive. I agree with cream, Nintendo should have just used regular cd size. They want a unique format so they can have more control over who makes games for thier system. Alexander graham bell or whoever the guy who invented the phonograph was, did the same thing. Until someone invented the record player with it's spinning thin disks as apposed to the phonographs huge freaking wax tubes, all recorded music was crap because the old fart couldn't even hear, and only allowed music he approved of to be recorded!

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Hobbes874
just because it's hardware is dated doesn't mean it can't still be the industry leader (which it is). the PS2 wins this battle easily. you totally missed my point. BECAUSE it was outdated, it stopped all advancements in the game world for this many years. Because it was a piece of crap, we didn't get anything good at all.

it has nothing to do with saying the console sucks (which it does), i was simply saying the fucked over the video game industry because everyone thinks the PS2 graphics were so amazing

[cr3am]

Originally posted by sushi128
lol, come on cr3am. i respect u and all, but the P3 733 in the xbox? geforce 3? sounds kinda dated to me ;) would you rather have a P3 733, or some 333? Would you rather have a G3 or an "Emotion Engine"? All i'm saying is that XBOX was less outdated when it came out, than PS2 was when it came out.

[sushi128]

alright, here's an analogy contradictive to yours; would u rather have an old 600mhz UltraSparc3 runnin your workstation? or a AXP 1700+ Tbred?

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by cr3am
would you rather have a P3 733, or some 333? Would you rather have a G3 or an "Emotion Engine"? All i'm saying is that XBOX was less outdated when it came out, than PS2 was when it came out.

ok :D np amigo

[Smapdey]

I'd rather have a shover and pusher robot to protect me from the terrible secret of space.

[NiteX]

I agree with Smapdey all the way...Xbox is trash and it always will be. Bill Gates is a fag for buying out all those companys like a little bitch just to make his console seem better and have exclusive games. The xbox has no fun and interesting exclusive games. Gamecube is original and fun what the fuck do u guys know when u say there are no T rated games theres tons of M rated games!! you dumb fucks u have no idea what you are talking about anyone of xcox fan boys ever played Eternal Darkness??? It really pisses me off when people talk about shit that they have no clue about. I played most of the xbox games I seen what they are like, they are no where near as fun as cube games WHY? b/c nintendo is original with most of there titles. everything u see from the box is a rip off...ok MOST of everything is. and NO HALO is not orignal!!!!! cube has some kiddy games yes. but they are fun if u give them a chance cube also has a hell of alot of T and M rated games. if you own a computer and u payed for an xbox u basicly bought another computer. whats the point? bill gates doesnt know shit about consoles, thats why the box is a failer

[Kain]

hehe i dont really like Bill gates or microsoft but i still enjoy the XBOX and windows, Besides theres something the xbox has thats better than anything else....Halo 2.

i really like the first but i think il love the second[ hopefully]

[future man]

I have to say I like the XBOX better. I don't really give a shit because I think consoles are stupid as hell anywho, but that's what I'd ratehr play on, an XBOX.

[nomoreproblem]

Originally posted by wilsongrantme
Gamecube wins this battle hands down... It may have some "kiddie games" but it also has many teen games... And some M's... Overall I think we should all forget the rating's and focus on how fun the game is! This is what matters! The ratings were just made so "mommy" could "deside" weather or not "jonny" should get the game! Not so stupid idiots can say "O, when you blast someone's head off theres not enough blood, so its a horrible game. Anyway, back to the point, I already have a computer and it plays DVD's and I think many other people also do so what again is the point of buying the xbox? It plays music?!?!?!? I have a cd player, and I dont need to waste time transferring my mp3's to a GAMEconsle that plays music. Lets not forget that the xbox is the size of a tank, and theres no way to bring you saves anywear without halling your system everywear. So whats left? Wow, a nice shoot em' up game called Halo... Its coming out for computer, and there are many other games that are like Halo. I dont need to buy a xbox for a "nice" fps...

Edit: BTW, as far as the people saying xbox's graphics are much better than gamecubes because of the prossesser speed diff, I found a nice paragraph about this:

The biggest misconception about a system's "specs"? It HAS to be the processor speed. Everyone CLAIMS that Xbox is capable of MUCH better graphics than Gamecube simply because its processor is significantly more powerful. WRONG. Gamecube has several little techniques up its sleeve (like processing several things at one time, instead of individually, like OTHER consoles). Every Xbox fan boy I've seen talking about which console is best, always emphasizes the processor speed. I mean, a computer with 3 Gigahertz with a lame graphics card isn't going to function as well as a computer with 1 Gigahertz and an awesome graphics card, it's as simple as that.-CHAD PHILLIPS

I usually do not post, but every once in a while I do post to take some idiot off their Horse. In this case the idiot be,"wilsongrantme."

1."I already have a computer and it plays DVD's and I think many other people also do so what again is the point of buying the xbox?"

Well this is great that you can sit in your computer room and watch a movie on you computer monitor, I however prefer watching movies on a television screen, while relaxing on my couch. I too have a DVD player down stairs in my Family room, but I purchased my X-BOX and now have it rigged up to play DVD's on my 36" screen TV, Upstairs in my Entertainment Room. This saved us the trouble of buying another DVD player, and yes my family needs 2 of them, because our intrests differ a ton.

2."It plays music?!?!?!? I have a cd player, and I dont need to waste time transferring my mp3's to a GAMEconsle that plays music."

I have many CD players around my house, and a sound system wired throughout. Yet I still spend time transferring music over to my hard drive, not so I can play it just for the heck of it, which I do sometimes, but because it plays in some of my favorite games. Thats cool because most soundtracks that games provide can get old. Also with the new Music Mixer I will now be able to make music videos, and make my X-box into a Karioki (sp) machine.

3. "Lets not forget that the xbox is the size of a tank, and theres no way to bring you saves anywear without halling your system everywear."

First of all, there is a reason why the Controller has 2 memory card slots built into it, for memory cards, and for other devices such as X-BOX live. So I don't have to carry my x-box to bring my save anywhere, I can carry a small card that has my saves on it. However, the X-BOX is no more of a hassle to carry around then a Game Cube, or PS2. Lets not be dumb, even the weakest member here could hold the X-BOX for atleast 5 minutes. So this is a dumb arguement because I take my X-Box to many Lans all the time.

4. "as the people saying xbox's graphics are much better than gamecubes because of the prossesser speed diff, I found a nice paragraph about this"

I really could care less about looking at any specs of anything, lets just compare performance. The gamecube is able to display on screen somewhere around 7 to 12 million pollygons a seconds. Wow pretty good, a million is a ton, and 7 million, thats crazy. Well the X-BOX is able to display on screen somewhere around 112 milion pollygons a second. A diffrence of nearly 100 milion polygons! How can you argue graphics or power. Also the X-Box can do textures of a 4 to 1 ratio of the Gamecube. That means if you were to take 1 pixel on the gamecube, you could have 4 pixels within that 1 pixel on the X-BOX, which in short means WAY better textures.

Now I am not trying to bash the Gamecube, or PS2. I came from a nintendo 64, and sold that once the next generation were nearing their time of release. I took my money and looked at each one, looked at everything, and then took it into consideration. For me the X-Box came out on top. Of my friends who own consols, 1 owns a PS2, and another owns a Gamecube, and I own the X-BOX. Out of the three, we have never played the PS2. The gamecube we play every once in a while to do some Monkey Ball, or Mario Party, but the system we use by far the most is the X-BOX. So clearly it shines when it comes to multiplayer. Which this is why this system works for me, I don't like playing games by my self besides RPG's, and this system happens to be able to do RPG's the best hands down, due in part by its Hard Drive. So I own a few RPG's. I thought a console could never do an FPS correctly, but after using the controls of HALO, I have been converted.

wilsongrantme- Clearly you have not used an X-BOX or you just like to drop big details. The fact that you said you can't share saves because lack of memory cards shows you lack of knowledge or use of the X-box.

People who just see Halo as the only Game on X-BOX are clearly just not thinking, or don't know. Halo is by far the only game like that on the X-BOX. That is the Hit of the X-BOX. So then people start naming off all the Hits on their system. Well here is the thing, Halo is in its own category then, because all these other sytems with their bunches of Hits are about equal to what they call good games on X-Box, those hits they name can't live up to Halo. So really every system has their list of Hits that are equal, and then X-BOX has Halo, which is a level above all those, just like GTA is for PS2, except that was never exclusive, because it was on the Computer. So don't say we only have Halo, because you only show your lack of intelligence when you do.

And you see why I don't reply very often, because I tend to make a huge post.:)

[future man]

This is stupid as hell, it's just personal preference, I for one like the XBOX, I hate playing Gamecube, and PS2. But who the fuck cares?

[Smapdey]

The gamecube is easily far more mobile than the other consoles. It has a handle on the back and weighs next to nothing, you can literally hold it with one finger.

[NiteX]

I say this war box vs. cube is getting old and its a matter of opinion.....the main reason i rather nintendo is b/c i grew up with nintendo and refuse to let it go easily..... i still love all the things there creative minds can come up with,.... i played the xbox and its a console just like ever other one out there.... it plays games and there are good games great games and the worst game ever on the xbox same with cube and PS2 it depends on what you are looking for in a console.... so there is no true victore over this stupid little war, even if the cube isnt selling as many as nintendo hoped.... and even if PS2 is the top and will never be passed in sales....that doesnt make it better i find the games on the cube alot better but thats my opinion....in my mind cube is the best, in some one elses mind Xbox is the best and in alot of peoples minds PS2 is the best.... which is more doesnt matter as long as the fans are satisfied

[dimsum411]

i'm not a big "xbox" person, but ninja gaiden looks kickass!!!!

[Yian]

Well, I find it interesting that whenever the platform's graphics technology sucks, people always say "but it has much better gameplay!!!" I don't know if it is true or not. Do you guys think it is true that PS2's games are more fun than the ones with XBox? I know Ps2 has a lot more games than XBox, but are they really all as good as Halo?

[Odm]

Originally posted by Yian
Well, I find it interesting that whenever the platform's graphics technology sucks, people always say "but it has much better gameplay!!!" I don't know if it is true or not. Do you guys think it is true that PS2's games are more fun than the ones with XBox? I know Ps2 has a lot more games than XBox, but are they really all as good as Halo? I don't know of any fun games on PS2 that rank anywhere near HALO, and I don't really like the game all that much. It's just fun to play with a friend.

[Jared]

I got xbox, I dont really have any problems with gamecube, has a list of games id love to play through but xbox always interested me more. and vice city's comin out on it soon as well and fable which I really want. Also my xbox can play any game older than the dreamcast and store divx and music and my xbox games on the harddrive which is cool. and yes I do still buy my xbox games original, so im not all that bad.