Who do you think will win the Presidential Election?

[dR.Jester]

My vote is for Bush. If Kerry wins bye bye American freedoms!

One of which being the right to own an assault weapon (if you're not a felon of course). Kerry vows to reinstate it with additional bannings. Bush says he would also sign a renewal if it ever reached his desk but since the house is controlled by Republicans he knows damn well that will never happen. Anyway, cast yer vote!

[Bigolli]

I don't live in the States, but I do hope that Kerry wins, so that America can get a good name again. I'm so sick of Bushs' stupidity.

[FATMAN]

Originally posted by Bigolli
I don't live in the States, but I do hope that Kerry wins, so that America can get a good name again. I'm so sick of Bushs' stupidity.

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[Chimera[NL]]

Yeah I too am gonna vote for Bush. Being able to have a automatic firearm is indeed THE most important aspect I need in life. The fact that everything else is going to shit because of Mr Bush's stupidity is something I don't really care about.

No flame intended, but it's just something I needed to say.

Originally posted by dR.Jester

Bush says he would also sign a renewal if it ever reached his desk but since the house is controlled by Republicans he knows damn well that will never happen.

You mean Democrats right?

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by FATMAN
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Yeah sure, I'll have fries with that!

[RAY16]

Why exactly would you need an Assault Weapon? If you need a gun to protect yourself I'd say a pistol would be better because you can conceal it better and pull it out faster if you need to use it.

Civilians have no need for AK-47's and whatnot. You go hunting, get a shotgun/rifle, you need to protect yourself you get a pistol or a shotgun/rifle.

The only civilians that need an assault rifle are trigger-happy hicks that need a giant gun to compensate for their small dicks and lack of intelligence, which is why they must shoot and smash things to feel good about themselves.

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by RAY16
Why exactly would you need an Assault Weapon? If you need a gun to protect yourself I'd say a pistol would be better because you can conceal it better and pull it out faster if you need to use it.

Civilians have no need for AK-47's and whatnot. You go hunting, get a shotgun/rifle, you need to protect yourself you get a pistol or a shotgun/rifle.

The only civilians that need an assault rifle are trigger-happy hicks that need a giant gun to compensate for their small dicks and lack of intelligence, which is why they must shoot and smash things to feel good about themselves.

I totally agree!
I'm quiet happy with Australia's gun laws. Seeing that nobody has a gun you don't get any shootings. Well hardly any...

[FATMAN]

we dont even have a gun shop here :(

but there is a shooting club, that has a nice range of weapons to try out :D

[FATMAN]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
You mean Democrats right?

no georgey boy is Republican while kerry is Democratic

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by FATMAN
no georgey boy is Republican while kerry is Democratic

Yeah but Jester was talking about Bush wanting to pass a certain law which will never see his desk since it will be stopped by the Democrats. If the house was filled with Republicans he wouldn't have a problem passing that law. Well that's what I thought.

[FATMAN]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Yeah but Jester was talking about Bush wanting to pass a certain law which will never see his desk since it will be stopped by the Democrats. If the house was filled with Republicans he wouldn't have a problem passing that law. Well that's what I thought.

oh yeah, doh my bad

[bxx]

bush wins, enough said.

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by bxx
bush wins, enough said.

Proof that Canadian have no clue about what's going on! :p

[future man]

Originally posted by RAY16
Why exactly would you need an Assault Weapon? If you need a gun to protect yourself I'd say a pistol would be better because you can conceal it better and pull it out faster if you need to use it.

Civilians have no need for AK-47's and whatnot. You go hunting, get a shotgun/rifle, you need to protect yourself you get a pistol or a shotgun/rifle.

The only civilians that need an assault rifle are trigger-happy hicks that need a giant gun to compensate for their small dicks and lack of intelligence, which is why they must shoot and smash things to feel good about themselves.

Why now would you need a fast video card and CPU or car? If one needs to use a computer, or drive some place, it seems to me that the bare minimum is the most simple and efficient. It's easier to maintain a very simple car or computer and more simple for the owner if they have use for it.

Motorists and computer users don't need top-end equipment at all. If you're going to use a computer get a simple Dell, if you need to drive, buy a a simple vehicle.

The only people that need faster, higher-end computers are massive nerds with nothing better to do, and the only people that need better cars and dipshit motorheads who're too stupid for anything else. The two things are just for nerds and dipshits who need to play games or drive fast to feel better about themselves.

Oh yeah, people have different interests.




Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
Yeah but Jester was talking about Bush wanting to pass a certain law which will never see his desk since it will be stopped by the Democrats. If the house was filled with Republicans he wouldn't have a problem passing that law. Well that's what I thought.

Or that he'd never see it because it would be a law reinstating the ban and the republicans in the house would never allow it to get that far.

[TheBob]

It's a Loose-Loose situation. It's not a matter of deciding who will do a good job, it's about who will fuck things up the least.

[bxx]

Originally posted by Bigolli
Proof that Canadian have no clue about what's going on! :p

listen you fucking aussie, stop pretending you know Canadians. bush is comming back for 4 more years and i suggest you take a quick look at the pools before opening that mouth of yours again.

[Trustkill]

Ralph Nader. He's all about legalizing pot.

I'm goin for Kerry. Nader would've gotten my vote if the world wasnt in the current state of affairs.

[fatBastard();]

Originally posted by future man
Why now would you need a fast video card and CPU or car? If one needs to use a computer, or drive some place, it seems to me that the bare minimum is the most simple and efficient. It's easier to maintain a very simple car or computer and more simple for the owner if they have use for it.

Motorists and computer users don't need top-end equipment at all. If you're going to use a computer get a simple Dell, if you need to drive, buy a a simple vehicle.

The only people that need faster, higher-end computers are massive nerds with nothing better to do, and the only people that need better cars and dipshit motorheads who're too stupid for anything else. The two things are just for nerds and dipshits who need to play games or drive fast to feel better about themselves.

Oh yeah, people have different interests.
That comparison just doesn't work.

If you're only using your computer for playing mine sweep or solitaire and standard office work then sure, a cheap laptop will suffice but if you want to play demanding games like Doom3, FarCry and Half-Life2 without having to turn off every single bit of eye candy and still get acceptable frame rates then you really DO need a high end system.

If you're only using your car for the daily 5 minute ride to and from work then any car or even a bicycle would do the trick (I know this may sound incredible to some of you americans but in other parts of the world a bicycle is a very common mode of transportation ;)) but if your job places you behind the wheel of a car 4-8 hours a day (sales men, specialists on call duty, etc.) then a car more suited for your needs is necessary. I'm not talking about the common male stupidity/penile envy that a big flashy BMW or Ferrari represents success and thus must be the vehicle of choice for a sales man. No, I'm talking about engine noise, leg space, seat adjustability, mileage costs etc, etc, etc. While you're behind the wheel you can't just get out of your seat and stretch your legs or even just shift your position, so driving comfort is important when driving for many hours a day.

I would guess that if hunting was something that was important to you and something you spend many an early morning in the woods on, then you would want to get what is to be considered the best equipment for the purpose ... and when exactly was it that assualt riffles became more suited for hunting than HUNTING riffles? Can you even name a single situation (besides being in the military) where an assualt riffle is better suited than something else?

I can't help but think of the duck hunting scene in "The Distinguished Gentleman" whenever I hear someone speak in favor of privately owned assualt riffles :rolleyes:

To be quite honest then I must admit that for a non-american person from a country with no privately owned guns it is EXTREMELY hard to even attempt to treat this subject as a serious matter because it just seems so perfectly ridiculous and stereotypically american.

[RAY16]

Originally posted by future man
Why now would you need a fast video card and CPU or car? If one needs to use a computer, or drive some place, it seems to me that the bare minimum is the most simple and efficient. It's easier to maintain a very simple car or computer and more simple for the owner if they have use for it.

Motorists and computer users don't need top-end equipment at all. If you're going to use a computer get a simple Dell, if you need to drive, buy a a simple vehicle.

The only people that need faster, higher-end computers are massive nerds with nothing better to do, and the only people that need better cars and dipshit motorheads who're too stupid for anything else. The two things are just for nerds and dipshits who need to play games or drive fast to feel better about themselves.

Oh yeah, people have different interests.

Yeah, people have different interests, but last time I checked computers didn't shoot pieces of flesh tearing metal.

[Striker]

Well, I can't vote, but even if I could vote this year, I don't think I would. I don't like any of the candidates that are up for election on any level, and don't think that any of them should be allowed to have office any more. They all have their own dreams about what they want to do, and all of it pisses somebody off beyond belief. I'll just have to wait and see who runs in the 2008 election, when I actually can vote.

Oh yeah, and I think Bush is probably going to be the winner this election. As much as I think that fucking sucks, I don't think that Kerry would be any better, so whoever wins, we're screwed.

[blind_mad_cow]

Originally posted by fatBastard();
Can you even name a single situation (besides being in the military) where an assualt riffle is better suited than something else?

I take it you have never gone rabbit hunting w/spotlights...funnest thing evAr! Varmit Hunting is fun as hell w/automatic rifles and such. If you ever get the change to go, and dont have any quarrels w/killing animals, DO IT! Its a great stress reliever and you get to shoot alot of shit!

Ohh, and I was one of the many that Voted Early in this election (the real one).

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by future man

Or that he'd never see it because it would be a law reinstating the ban and the republicans in the house would never allow it to get that far.

I didn't really get that.

[dR.Jester]

You guys are missing the point. Its semi-automatic only. Meaning everytime you pull the trigger the gun goes boom. Fully automatic weapons are banned under an older law from the days of Al Capone and their use of the Boston Typewriter (Thompson .45).

Chimera, since the house is controlled by Republicans (first time in like 30 years) these bullshit laws you see getting passed everyday by democrats will no longer happen. Why do you think the democrats are having such a shitfit over this election? They deseperately need kerry in office. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

Chimera, read this article. Backs up what I say about about the House of Rep.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-10-05-draft_x.htm

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
You guys are missing the point. Its semi-automatic only. Meaning everytime you pull the trigger the gun goes boom. Fully automatic weapons are banned under an older law from the days of Al Capone and their use of the Boston Typewriter (Thompson .45).

Chimera, since the house is controlled by Republicans (first time in like 30 years) these bullshit laws you see getting passed everyday by democrats will no longer happen. Why do you think the democrats are having such a shitfit over this election? They deseperately need kerry in office. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

Chimera, read this article. Backs up what I say about about the House of Rep.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-10-05-draft_x.htm

I didn't say I didn't believe you. I thought you said Bush would pass a law on guns as soon as he could, but since the house is full of democrats he can't cause the house will vote it away before it even gets on Bush's dresk.

[Rhenna]

Originally posted by fatBastard();
...I would guess that if hunting was something that was important to you and something you spend many an early morning in the woods on, then you would want to get what is to be considered the best equipment for the purpose ... and when exactly was it that assault rifles became more suited for hunting than HUNTING rifles? Can you even name a single situation (besides being in the military) where an assualt rifle is better suited than something else?

The U.S. Army, which arguably knows something about this topic, defines an "assault weapon" as one capable of fully automatic fire. Once again, the so-called "assault weapons" law that recently expired here in the U.S. did *NOT* legalize or "re-legalize" any full-auto weapons. The fact that most military-style semi-automatic rifles are functionally identical to their traditional hunting counterparts seems lost on a great number of people. If I take the walnut stock off a Remington 742, a popular U.S. hunting rifle, and replace it with black nylon, and sandblast away the blue finish and hunting scenes engraved on the receiver and coat it with black teflon, I'll have some n00b screaming that it's an "assault rifle." I get weary of hearing the phrase "AK47" tossed around, when 99.9% of the time it's some semiauto-only AK wannabe or knock-off. And, hunting is not the sole reason to own a firearm. I'm out in the middle of nowhere; among other options, there is a Ruger Mini-Thirty, a semi-auto rifle, at-hand for those two-legged predators. (Although the M1911A1 would probably be my first thought.)

Originally posted by fatBastard();
...To be quite honest then I must admit that for a non-american person from a country with no privately owned guns it is EXTREMELY hard to even attempt to treat this subject as a serious matter because it just seems so perfectly ridiculous and stereotypically american.

Columbus, of course, did *not* discover America in 1492. I don't know if Columbus had any firearms in his three boats in that trip across the Atlantic, but he certainly could have, since they had long been in existence at that time. My point, here, is that there has been an unbroken history of firearms ownership in this land from the late 15th or early 16th Century, for better or worse. The roots of firearm ownership in this country run very deep, and despite the real, actual news, and the sensationalized fictional TV and movies portraying all manner of firearms mayhem, the reality is the number of legally-owned firearms involved in a crime here in the U.S. is typically one-tenth of one percent, annually. It's been that way for decades. It's estimated that some 66 million Americans own some 190,000,000 firearms. If the mere presence of guns were the catalyst to crime and violence, we would have exterminated ourselves as a nation long ago.

Let me say I don't mean to sound judgemental, here. A great many countries around the World have eliminated their citizen's right to own firearms, sometimes over the protests of those same citizens. Other nations have never established that right for it's citizens to begin with. Personally, I don't feel ANY government entity anywhere in the World should have the ability to deny it's people the means of self-protection. I feel I am the one most responsible for my own self-preservation, not some policeman 20 miles, (32km), away. Despite the problems we have with the criminal misuse of guns in this country, (and, clearly, there is a problem), I'm much in favor of keeping the hands of the politicians off our firearms. And that same feeling will be quite prominent on the minds of a great many Americans when they vote next Tuesday.

[cr3am]

You asked a different question than you mean.

Who do I think is going to win? Bush.
Who do I want to win? Kerry.

[MrBored]

A question of Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich.

[Phobo]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
assault weapon

LoL

Are you stupid?

Stop the insanity, vote Kerry

[Hitman]

I hope Kerry wins, if Bush does it just shows how stupid the people in this country are. From day one I knew he hyped the Iraq war, that fool just wanted to finish what his father started but couldn't accomplish.


No other president has hurt this country as much as Bush did.. vote for Kerry please, plus he's from my area so you know he's kool.. YEAH BOSTON BEANS.

[karny]

VOTE BUSH, HE IS THE ALL AMERICAN HERO!! VIVA LAS CRUSADER!!! VINCI VIDI VECHI! I BET HE SUPPORTS CAPS I HEAR THERES A NEW AMENDMENT, EVERYONE MUST CAPS TALK SO HE CAN HEAR YOU!!

[Downfall]

I think that bush will win but I want Kerry to win. Bush will screw us up more, we shoudl at least give kerry a chance to fuck up or not.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by cr3am
You asked a different question than you mean.

Who do I think is going to win? Bush.
Who do I want to win? Kerry.

[wangstramedeous]

The situation in the states right now is so hopeless and discouraging. Bush needs to go. But at the same time, whoever takes his place is going to get butt-fucked. Bush is still cashing on the "remember 9/11" and Kerry is not promising any radical changes with Iraq and I'm sure the war is going to drag on anyway.

...

Why does anyone need an assualt weapon? For real, this is just out of curiosity. What the hell would you do with it?

[bxx]

Originally posted by wangstramedeous
The situation in the states right now is so hopeless and discouraging. Bush needs to go. But at the same time, whoever takes his place is going to get butt-fucked. Bush is still cashing on the "remember 9/11" and Kerry is not promising any radical changes with Iraq and I'm sure the war is going to drag on anyway.

...

Why does anyone need an assualt weapon? For real, this is just out of curiosity. What the hell would you do with it?

shoot foreigners like you.

[Downfall]

i say no matter who wins..out 1st order of business is to invade Canada

[dante.hk]

Blame CanaDA!

[Rhenna]

Originally posted by Downfall
I say no matter who wins... our 1st order of business is to invade Canada.

Negative. The very first objective would be France. Some Arkansas National Guard unit, (the 53rd Canteen Repair Division, I think), would be in Chirac's office on the third day. (They got caught in traffic.)

[Downfall]

ok france 1st, then once we have taken all of their wine, cheese and shave/take their women....then can we go after the canuks?

[Roq]

Take over mexico damnit. Or just blow it up.

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by bxx
listen you fucking aussie, stop pretending you know Canadians. bush is comming back for 4 more years and i suggest you take a quick look at the pools before opening that mouth of yours again.

ROFL!!

[Hitman]

Negative. The very first objective would be France. Some Arkansas National Guard unit, (the 53rd Canteen Repair Division, I think), would be in Chirac's office on the third day. (They got caught in traffic.)

Muhahaha, that's fucking hot.. but true.


lol @ Canteen Repair Division.. hmm, I think that's to much credit though, the Coast Guard alone could take France.

[TheBob]

Originally posted by bxx
listen you fucking aussie, stop pretending you know Canadians. bush is comming back for 4 more years and i suggest you take a quick look at the pools before opening that mouth of yours again.

Would that be magic pools or will any ordinary pool do, cos I don't have a magic pool and the pool in my back yard is a little merky.

:D

[wangstramedeous]

Originally posted by bxx
shoot foreigners like you.

oh shit your so fucking right! please forgive my insolence.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
My vote is for Bush. If Kerry wins bye bye American freedoms!

Ask Colin about it

[Docta Beeeer]

What I wish and pray for every day is a third World War. And if this happens soon, I will be grateful. All of you are so ignorant.

[dR.Jester]

Ignorance to those who love kerry.

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
Ignorance to those who love kerry.

A shot in the head for you.

[Yian]

I see signs of a possible flame war... Let's not forget that by calling names and throwing random thoughts , we will only upset people, and we should keep things civil in order to let the thread do contribution to the forum. ;)

[Bigolli]

Originally posted by Yian
I see signs of a possible flame war... Let's not forget that by calling names and throwing random thoughts , we will only upset people, and we should keep things civil in order to let the thread do contribution to the forum. ;)

Yeah, I appologise for my random thought.
Let's continue the thread!


*EDIT*

Did anyone see South Park the other night? The one about voting? It was all about the fact that in a 2 party votiong system you always have to choose between a giant douche or a turd. So true...

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
Ignorance to those who love kerry.

He isn't time for you to die for your country and leader? Get to it!

[future man]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
He isn't time for you to die for your country and leader? Get to it!

See Yian's post, you cock stuffing bag of love.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
My vote is for Bush. If Kerry wins bye bye American freedoms!

One of which being the right to own an assault weapon (if you're not a felon of course). Kerry vows to reinstate it with additional bannings. Bush says he would also sign a renewal if it ever reached his desk but since the house is controlled by Republicans he knows damn well that will never happen. Anyway, cast yer vote!

Yes, Bush is the great defender of freedom. That's why we have the patriot act right? That's why the ACLU hates him with a passion, correct? And let's say that everyone's biggest fear comes true, a draft, would Bush be a defender of freedom then when he's conscripting young men and women to potentially die, just so his buddies can have a little more green in the bank and oil in the drums?

What the fuck do you need an assault rifle for? There's plenty of firearms out there now! What the fuck do you need another one for?

I understand Rhenna's argument for self-defense, but nobody needs a shitload of guns. Isn't one enough? Any further more, if nobody has a gun, there's nothing to shoot anyone with, right? And your gun doesn't do any good if they happen to quicker on the trigger or a better shot, right? You're dead, done deal.

Why don't we start a campaign for hand-to-hand combat training for responsible civilians? It's a lot less prone to accident, it'd help fight the dietary epidemic we're in the midst of, and generally be a much safer and healthier alternative.

And apart from that, the paranoia issue, can't you just trust anyone?

Kerry is certainly a sportsman however. He likes to go hunting, and he's certainly a much better outdoorsman than Bush is, and he's dedicated to preserving the outdoors while Bush would rather drill for oil.

If you're a fan of hunting, Kerry is the better choice.

Jester, I don't want to flame you here, but you're coming off like an idiot. Just another barbarian looking for a bigger cudgel because his penis is too small. Why don't you read a book?

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by future man
See Yian's post, you cock stuffing bag of love.

Doesn't matter.

[Yian]

Not trying to offend anyone, but if a group of people can't even have a peaceful discussion on an online forum, just exactly how reasonable and logical could they be in real life? And just exactly how reasonable and logical their voting decisions could be?

If you are upset because of something others have said to you, I think you are too easy to be manipulated.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Yian
Not trying to offend anyone, but if a group of people can't even have a peaceful discussion on an online forum, just exactly how reasonable and logical could they be in real life? And just exactly how reasonable and logical their voting decisions could be?

If you are upset because of something others have said to you, I think you are too easy to be manipulated.

Being offended by someone who has "the right to have automatic firearms" as one of his primairy voting arguments is not the same as being easily manipulated. I just found it surprising to say the least that such a person would make such a statement.

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
My vote is for Bush. If Kerry wins bye bye American freedoms!

One of which being the right to own an assault weapon (if you're not a felon of course). Kerry vows to reinstate it with additional bannings. Bush says he would also sign a renewal if it ever reached his desk but since the house is controlled by Republicans he knows damn well that will never happen. Anyway, cast yer vote!

Bush isn't all about protecting american freedoms. Just look at some of the stuff in the Patriot Act that Bush likes so much.

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by dR.Jester
Ignorance to those who love kerry.
BAHAHAHAH! Your a dumbass *points and laughs more*

[Striker]

Let's bring in the random third party guy. Nader. I still don't understand why there are people running around shouting "Vote for Nader!" Why waste a vote? There is not a chance in all hell that he is going to come even close to winning the election, why bother? His name is only on the ballots of 35 out of 50 states, for God's sake! 15 states won't even get the opportunity to vote for him unless they did it in that little "Other" section. I'd rather not vote at all than waste a vote on somebody that doesn't even have the slightest chance to win.

[Downfall]

its not voting for nader....its voting against bush :)

[Smapdey]

Yeah, when you vote for a third party, you're really voting to show that you completely hate the other two candidates. No one believes that the Green party and Cobb could ever win, we just do it to stick our whole fist up the two party system of government's ass.

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Yeah, when you vote for a third party, you're really voting to show that you completely hate the other two candidates. No one believes that the Green party and Cobb could ever win, we just do it to stick our whole fist up the two party system of government's ass.

[Rhenna]

I haven't posted in, or even read, any of the numerous threads regarding the American presidency or the upcoming election. I don't care which candidate any of our American forum members who are old enough to vote choose to support. I would simply encourage them to vote on Tuesday, and to pursue a little "due diligence" beforehand, and make certain they're voting based on their own convictions and not just being swept along with the rest of the crowd. Anybody's crowd...

Apart from that, I feel compelled to reply to this:

Originally posted by Smapdey
What the fuck do you need an assault rifle for? There's plenty of firearms out there now! What the fuck do you need another one for?
I understand Rhenna's argument for self-defense, but nobody needs a shitload of guns. Isn't one enough?


For the bizillionth time, there are no "assault" rifles being sold to the general citizenry in the US. I know the media tells everyone that. I'm here to tell everyone that the media has it wrong. As to why anyone wants more than one firearm? Well, OK. Why does any one person own more than one car? I mean, you can only drive one at a time, right? Why would someone need more than a single guitar? Or more than one tennis racquet? Or motorcycle? Or, like myself, a dozen or more PCs? At least part of the reason is that people sometimes need or want these things, and in this country, at least at present, they have the personal freedom, the interest, and the economic wealth to own them. There is nothing intrinsically nefarious or unsavory about owning a firearm, or even owning 100 firearms. I believe we are, as American citizens, blessed with numerous individual rights. I know I wouldn't presume to pass judgement on how many times someone employs their freedom to speak freely, purchase newspapers and books, peacefully assemble for some legitimate activity, or attend a church, temple or mosque to worship God. I'm not directing this at any particular forum member, but no one needs to concern themselves on how, or how often, I and 99.9% of other Americans who own guns excercise their rights. And, to clarify, the individual right law-abiding Americans have to possess a firearm is not based upon, or otherwise has anything to do with, the concept of hunting.

Originally posted by Smapdey
Kerry is certainly a sportsman however. He likes to go hunting, and he's certainly a much better outdoorsman than Bush is, and he's dedicated to preserving the outdoors while Bush would rather drill for oil.

If you're a fan of hunting, Kerry is the better choice.


Now for Mr. Kerry, the apparent hunter and outdoorsman. John Kerry's opposition to the private ownership of firearms, to the blocking, reduction or outright elimination of hunting on Federal lands, and the termination of Federally supported civilian markmanship programs during his tenure in the U.S. Senate could be described as nothing short of legendary. His record stands at voting 55 out of 59 times to limit, restrict or eliminate firearm ownership and/or hunting-related activities; a sparkling 93%.

In view of this, it raised more than a few eyebrows when Senator Kerry began to be seen afield hunting two or three times during the campaign. When asked, Kerry would tell of how he enjoyed hunting through the years, and relayed some personal stories on the topic. Like, how he enjoyed hunting deer by "crawling around in the mud with his double-barrel shotgun." I have hunted deer extensively throughout New England, around the Great Lakes, and in Idaho and Washington. I have never seen, spoke to, or heard of anyone attempting to stalk a deer by crawling on the ground. Puzzled, I even spent an afternoon trying to research this tactic on the Web. No joy. As for using a double-barrel shotgun, well, it wouldn't even be the fifth-best choice of anyone who knows something about guns or deer hunting. Especially when the hunter in question could clearly afford to own something far more suitable.

Senator Kerry also tells about the "16-point" buck he happened upon while deer hunting around Cape Cod, Massachusetts. (16 points on the deer's antlers for you non-hunters.) This deer slipped through the Senator's grasp, (perhaps because he was crawling around in the mud), and into the realm of Massachusetts myth. A 16-point buck would be considered extremely rare, and absolutely World-class anywhere in North America; perhaps anywhere in the World. One would be as likely to see Bigfoot while out in the woods. To encounter such an epic creature in Cape Cod, of all places, would be the equivalent of some Catholic attending services at his neighborhood church in some little town in America and seeing the Pope come out to celebrate Mass. Yeah, it could happen, but what are the odds?

In an interview, when asked what his favorite firearms were, one of the guns Kerry mentioned specifically was a "Chinese-communist assault rifle" he had as a souvenier from his Vietnam service. Many were intrigued that one of the most outspoken opponents of the civilian version of these guns, the so-called "assault weapons", would himself own the real-deal military version. Mr. Kerry's campaign was asked to reconcile the apparent mixed signals that the Senator was sending. The "Chinese-communist assault rifle", one of Mr. Kerry's favorite guns mind you, suddenly became a "100-year old Russian single-shot bolt-action," or, about as non-controversial a weapon as one could ever imagine possibly encountering in Vietnam. An amazing transition, for both the gun and the candidate.

When a labor union decided to present Senator Kerry with a gift of a Remington 11-87 shotgun, (what were they thinking?), at a rally earlier this year, he initially gladly accepted and brandished the weapon to the delight of all present. The 11-87 is a very popular shotgun with hunters that has been manufactured for many years. When it was later pointed out that this same gun might be already illegal in Massachusetts, and that legislation the Senator had co-sponsored, namely Senate Bill S.143, the "Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003", would reclassify this beautifully engraved blue-steel and walnut shotgun as a so-called "assault weapon," some serious back-pedaling began. I follow Federal firearms-related legislation in a general way, and it even came as a surprise to me to learn that my neighbor's Remington was being considered an "assault weapon." Wonder how the pheasants he hunts with it feel about that? It's unclear what became of the shotgun given to Kerry.

John Kerry, may be an athlete. (?) He may even be, in some ways, an outdoorsman. But, in my opinion, he is no hunter, and unquestionably, he is *not* an advocate of civilian firearms ownership. One thing John Kerry absolutely is, at least with regard to hunting and firearms, is a poser.

[Smapdey]

I disagree with you so wholeheartidly that any attempt to respond to you is going to involve me calling you a barbarian. We're both going to be dogmatic about the issue, I'm not going to change your mind, and likewise, you're not going to change mine, so I'm not going to press it.

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

I would like ask one thing: What's the bigger issue to you? Education or protection of the (useless to the rest of the civilized world) 2nd amendment?

[cr3am]

Are there honestly people deciding their vote on which candidate will give them more of a right to own their weapon of choice?

Hello people, the only issue that is of any importance in this campaign is saving my sexy ass from a possible draft.

Vote Kerry.

[Smapdey]

Originally posted by cr3am
Are there honestly people deciding their vote on which candidate will give them more of a right to own their weapon of choice?

Hello people, the only issue that is of any importance in this campaign is saving my sexy ass from a possible draft.

Vote Kerry.

Amen.

[TopSecretBoy]

Damnit! I want to go to school AND have a mini-gun!

(Yes, I'm fucking serious.)

[Phobo]

http://www.severin.ch/gwb/

[TopSecretBoy]

Originally posted by Phobo
http://www.severin.ch/gwb/

73 meters on my second try. :D

[Hobbes874]

Originally posted by TopSecretBoy
73 meters on my second try. :D
Bah, 68 fer me.

[karny]

75

[Freakonaleash89]

Originally posted by Rhenna
One thing John Kerry absolutely is, at least with regard to hunting and firearms, is a poser.

Haha, yeah, he is. I don't think the real hunters will respect him any more for pretending to be a hunter, so he was just wasting his time.

Hello people, the only issue that is of any importance in this campaign is saving my sexy ass from a possible draft.

Bush claims that there will be no draft. I think he's right, he'll just send more of the national guard out to die.

[caregirl]

Kerry is a poser for religion too.

He says he's catholic. Catholics don't support abortion, they don't even support birth control. He just wants the christian vote.

EDIT: My aunt says the Catholic church is trying to get him excommunicated. Don't know how true that one is, just what I heard. She's Catholic btw.

[nineball16]

Originally posted by Phobo
http://www.severin.ch/gwb/

86:D

make that 103 meters:D :D

[cr3am]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
Bush claims that there will be no draft. I think he's right, he'll just send more of the national guard out to die. 1. You still believe what Bush says?
2. The first thing he said was that there will be a mandatory draft, then he "corrected" himself and said there would be none.Originally posted by caregirl
Kerry is a poser for religion too.

He says he's catholic. Catholics don't support abortion, they don't even support birth control. He just wants the christian vote. Excuse me, but I know plenty of people who are a certain religion but don't follow all their beliefs. Catholics aren't supposed to sin!!!!

Millions of people go to church or synagogue or whatever, but don't follow their religion's specific rules or beliefs. They still call themselves Catholics, Jews, and whatever the fuck else they are.

Btw, if you'd heard half of the shit Bush did to get the christian vote, you wouldn't even talk about Kerry faking it. Just to name a couple: Bush claimed that Jesus was the most important POLITICIAN of all time, he went to mass (in a huuuuuge church, mind you) and got the priest to claim his support and ask anyone who follows jesus's path to vote for Bush.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bush wasn't exactly the most religious person until he wanted a few more votes.


I love when people don't know what they're talking about, but claim their own opinions to be fact.

[future man]

Well, I voted, I voted Kerry.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by future man
Well, I voted, I voted Kerry.

I'm proud of you son.

[RADiator]

If Bush looses, terrorists win!

But seriously I'd much rather Kerry than Bush.

[Smapdey]

I voted, and I voted Cobb.

[caregirl]

Originally posted by cr3am
1. You still believe what Bush says?
2. The first thing he said was that there will be a mandatory draft, then he "corrected" himself and said there would be none. Excuse me, but I know plenty of people who are a certain religion but don't follow all their beliefs. Catholics aren't supposed to sin!!!!

Millions of people go to church or synagogue or whatever, but don't follow their religion's specific rules or beliefs. They still call themselves Catholics, Jews, and whatever the fuck else they are.

Btw, if you'd heard half of the shit Bush did to get the christian vote, you wouldn't even talk about Kerry faking it. Just to name a couple: Bush claimed that Jesus was the most important POLITICIAN of all time, he went to mass (in a huuuuuge church, mind you) and got the priest to claim his support and ask anyone who follows jesus's path to vote for Bush.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bush wasn't exactly the most religious person until he wanted a few more votes.


I love when people don't know what they're talking about, but claim their own opinions to be fact.

I'm glad you think you know what you are talking about. I never said anything about Bush or what Bush does to get the christian votes. I said Kerry was a poser for religion. The only reason Kerry brings up he is Catholic is because Bush has the christian vote. I mean admit it, do you really think Kerry cares that much about being Catholic?

Anyways ... I voted today for Bush. And that is my last comment about it. Doesn't matter anymore, who wins.... wins. I did my part.

[JerraMaya]

So which Fucktard is wining ?
it seems its Bush again

[Smapdey]

Well if Bush wins you can expect the Actiontrip Evening News and Console News Live from Fallujah.

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Smapdey
Well if Bush wins you can expect the Actiontrip Evening News and Console News Live from Fallujah.
I am really surprised on American Public who voted again for this basterd instead of giving another person any chance to make things better his way .
well it seems American people feel insecure and are still afraid of terrorism coz all news channel still link everything too terrorism

[cr3am]

Originally posted by JerraMaya
So which Fucktard is wining ?
it seems its Bush again Final counts start on the east coast, though.

And don't forget the 54 or whatever votes he's getting from us Californians

[TopSecretBoy]

Future, head east and vote, NOW!

[Downfall]

curent electorial votes
Bush
249


Kerry
211

[Yian]

Congratulation to Berks County of PA, whic is where I live... we chose Kerry!

...

... well, that's really not a good thing. Whoever wins, we lose. :(

[Downfall]

Bush
249

Kerry
242

only Nevada, New Mexico, Iowa and Wisconsin left

Ohio is curently still too close to call either way

[Phobo]

Well, the Bush won.

I guess we will see atleast 2 major warcampaigns getting started by MrBush in the 4 fortcoming years.

Damn warmonger!

[Downfall]

crap bush just got wisconsin and Nevada...i still have hope damnit! *crys*

[Downfall]

oh yeah,

Bush 254

Kerry 252

New Mexico and Iowa left and Ohio still to close to call

[JerraMaya]

Bush won :( , and there wont be anymore peace in this world now

[wangstramedeous]

but i thought you need 260 to win the election. or did kerry concede?

[MrBored]

Now the question is, who is going to be invaded unnecessarily next? Iran, Syria? No chance on North Korea because they know the fight will be too tough.

[MrBored]

Originally posted by wangstramedeous
but i thought you need 260 to win the election. or did kerry concede?
Its 270, I don't know why Kerry conceded, maybe the votes left to count are less than the amount needed for Kerry to win the state. Looks like Ohio could beanother Florida.

[Downfall]

they havent even gotten around to the absentee ballots yet for those open states and a few others that have already been declaired bushes