Hardwares fuck up way too often...?

[Yian]

I was reading Method1's thread and it appears to me that the production quality of many big manufacturers are declining quickly... and here is a surprising stuff I didn't know until very recently, the worst of all is our big brother, AMD.:(

Remember how fast, how reliable, and how cool their CPU used to be? And when is the last time you see a Athlon XP that doesn't heat up the entire room in 20 minutes? when is the last time you see a AMD's chip with a big ass core that covers the entire surface of the CPU?

My Thunderbird 1.2 kicked the shit out of a P4 1.8! AMD's chip rules!..... until now...

Shit because of that bif layoff they had their chip quality went into a shit pit. They are still fast, but so? Burns out in a year and a half. The computer stor in my town has 12 DEAD AMD chips in their hands, while only 1 P4... What's the matter with them? No wonder they always win the price war with Intel, because thet make CHEAP chips...

I hope AMD's business gets better, so they will have more money, hire more people, and resume the good ass quality they used to have in the past.

[ReDeeMeR]

What the fuk are you smoking, they dont heat up your room more then P4!!! Stfu man, make a research and then talk. ;)

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8743

So anyone who's cpu died is an idiot, probably done something wrong with it, because I've made like 6 AMD rigs and they are all still working fine.

[Yian]

What I mean by low quality is that the chip that never worked right when you first bought it, not the one that worked well... I'm saying that AMD's quality control is getting worse, not saying all their chip sucked. Intel is the one that makes a lot of bad chips but make sure they are all equally bad... uh... wait, isn't that pretty bad, too...??

Most people used to go to the store, grab the shit, and worry about the bios settings and a that, and AMD's chip used to be like that, so as many other hardwares... but in these days, AMD's chip started to have problems, and people have to go and get a replacement a lot more often.

Not just AMD's chips, a lot of video cards and mo-bos are doing this shit, too... start to make me wonder which part of the process went wrong exactly... manufacturing? Packaging? Shipping...? Maybe they hire some cheap labors from some little countries, and they don't know shit about statics, so they ruin the shit even before they got sealed up in a box, and bad products hit retail, and we think that these companies are doing bad...

Heat up the room is not a problem for me, but they are just not as reliable as it used to be... AMd's chip is always good for overclocking, whic is probably something Intel can never catch up...

well... I never overclock, so don't matter.

[Yian]

BTW, I do this::D

[Shadow]

Argh... the image is confusing.

[sushi128]

i'll have to agree with Yian on this one. amd's quality standards are pretty dam low.....especially those concerning heat. and yes, amd's run hotter than P4's(through experience).

shadow, i urge u not to consider the inquirer as a valid reference, lest you want anyone with half a mind to skip over every one of your posts, assuming they will be of the same lowly level that is the inquirer.....

here's somethin viable:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,11743,00.asp

it's the thermal output for both chips. P4 is much more heat efficient.

and AMD's quality control is actually getting better, but still far from intel. companies use intel chips for a reason (and no, not bcause they're a damn monopoly, k? get you head out of the damn conspiracy cloud and think about why in hell companies would pay twice as much for chips just cause they've got a partnership).

and Yian, tha pic looks like a harmless mixing of arctic silver epoxy. what's your point? ;)

[Yian]

The point is ... hehehe.... emmm.....

epoxy.... epoxy....

ok I was in the studio of my University and there was this girl i knew for a while but never talked too much. She was making a project for her 3D Design class, a sculpture made of car's parts...

She had some trouble gluing things together because she don't have anything to hold it while the epoxy glue got dry, so I helped her till it got really dark.

The thing worked out well. We glued a mirror on an engine and talked about what to write on that mirror, something about warning people not to drink and drive...

...and we walked back to the other side of the campus together, waved by-bye, and went back to our own dorm.

hehehe.... Sushi, why did you ask?

[sushi128]

nothin ::nudge nudge, wink wink::, but by the looks of that picture ::wink:: it SURE does look like you're on crack ::nudge, wink:: ;)

[Method1]

hahaha i totally agree with yian. my previous pc was a P3 500mhz and it was assembled by a technician, it had a defective mobo.

last wik i had a p4 assembled by a technician, and it had a defective video card. my Pentium 200mhz had a defective ram. hahaha seems like everytime i buy a pc theres always something wrong.

[RAY16]

My Athlon XP 2000+ (1.66Ghz) doesn't get that hot. 43C on average, and 55C in the middle of the day. And thats only because i live in stupid hot ass Tucson Arizona.


*Edit*

I never let so called "professinals" install my parts. They charge too much and half of the time they know less about what they are doing then I do. Professinals my ass.

[ReDeeMeR]

Hey sushi128 wtf did you post that dated crap? (June 10, 2002)
A year old - In PC industry that a freakin long time span.

As I said AMD DOES NOT HAVE ANY HEAT ISSUES *NOW*
I have my 2200XP+ overclocked by 140Mhz and I dont have any heat issues... and it's one of the "old" line babies.

I have tight relationship with some retailers here and there is no noticeable downgrade in part quality guys, just a random bad luck.

[sushi128]

so what are u sayin redeemer........that the chips in that article have since changed in thermal output? :)

[Yian]

AMD is good but it will take more than a bag of crack for anyone to say that their chips has NO heat issues.... Oh come on it is not about how well they perform, it is about how much it generate heats! AMD generates a lot more heat than Intel's chip, that is a fact.

Well, but if the chip is still working, it really doesn't matter how hot it feels... it might live shorter but hey who knows. I bet people upgrade the chip before it can fail.

Some people sealed up their case with no fans or anything and complains "oh no my case feels hot..." then in that case everybody generates way too much heat. But in a well designed case with air circulation, both Intel and AMD shouldn't have any problem...

Still, AMD generates a lot more heat than Intel's chips. But like I said, so what? Like overclocking is gonna make a difference... with a big ass copper core heatsinbk and a fan the size bigger than a CD heat is not a problem, not even for AMD.

[Yian]

Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
What the fuk are you smoking, they dont heat up your room more then P4!!! Stfu man, make a research and then talk.
I don't do research. I saw more than enough of those chips in action for years and I tell you what I saw. I confirm the research, not just believing into them. And I tell you, a lot of website has been paid off. So be careful. Besides, what is the point to get a chip that you already knew that generates more heats just because you read an article somewhere says it actually doesn't? I'm going to start a website says "MIDI performs better than MP3" and you think people are gonna believe me?

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by sushi128
so what are u sayin redeemer........that the chips in that article have since changed in thermal output? :)

What are you trying to make me real mad or something?

Or are you just that fucking stupid, they change revision by almost each new release, do you think they just overclock the same model over and over againt without any changes???

Better diodes, better cooling, shit even better material, smaller power consumption per cicle.

People can do 2500Mhz with the 2100 AIHB revision T-breds.

New AMD CPU can take up heat up to even 120+ celcius.

Tell you what, you're a real newbie when it comes to hardware, you read somewhere something and you keep your opinion based on out dated info, that's what n00bs do :)

[Yian]

Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
Tell you what, you're a real newbie when it comes to hardware, you read somewhere something and you keep your opinion based on out dated info, that's what n00bs do :)
Well... ReDeeMer, you're right I have to say.... but you might want to express your thoughts in a more gentler manner... I think...

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by Yian
Well... ReDeeMer, you're right I have to say.... but you might want to express your thoughts in a more gentler manner... I think...

Sorry, sometimes you just cant take any more you know, I could ofcourse waste even more time here arguing using all nice worlds trying to prove something for a bunch of newbies but why bother?

[Yian]

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[sushi128]

here's the thermal chrats for both intel and amd:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Electrical_Specification_Rev03_ENG.pdf

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/thermal.htm#Specifications

and yes, the T-Breds do overclock well (i have one myself), and they do have less thermal output. generally speaking, intel gives off less heat.

and 120C would be around 220F. lemme see where you got that (or wait, you're cpu is runnin at 120...isn't it...).

you like to attack people rather than ideas, so i won't bother you further(not that you're forced to read and respond to my posts anyway).

[Rhenna]

Just ten years ago, the fastest signal on any major component in a PC was probably 50MHz. Now, of course, we have a P4 whose internal frequency is 3GHz, and numerous other components operating at very high freqs, as well. While I've been relatively lucky with hardware in recent years, I'm surprised that all these independently produced products work as well together as they do. As far as AMD goes, I'd have to agree with ReDeeMeR; I'm running five Duron/Athlon-class cpu's without any issues.

[Yian]

After all these discussion I have some thoughts..

one: I'm so damn out of luck these days to get all these bad hardwares...

two: it seems to me now that AMD is still good, but I can tell they aren't as good as it used to be...

three: AMD's chips are HOT.

four: Intel's chips are STILL SLOW.

five: Onion & sour cream chips are the BEST!

[sushi128]

Originally posted by Yian
five: Onion & sour cream chips are the BEST!

damn straight

[Shadow]

Originally posted by sushi128
shadow, i urge u not to consider the inquirer as a valid reference, lest you want anyone with half a mind to skip over every one of your posts, assuming they will be of the same lowly level that is the inquirer.....

OMG! How could you?!? It was Redeemer :(

While we are on this topic, I want to mention two of my favourite Inquirer-type news headlines:

1. Dwarf Rapes Nun, Flees in UFO

2. 1000 year old Iranian woman in wheelchair throws perfect baseball game in coma... while giving birth.

One my friend made up [the second one], and I forget where the other is from...

[sushi128]

wow, i'm sorry about that. but is that stuff what the inquirer is publishin these days??? i just might read it more often :)

[Shadow]

Is okay :) ... nah, those are made up I think... but you can expect something along those lines :D

[sushi128]

omg, i feel kinda weird. you might have thought i was kidding, but i read "dwarf rapes nun" and "1000 year old iranian" and instantly assumed the rest was negligible. well, it was, but turns out the rest was completely outragious as well. i seriously thought those were real posts on the inquirer!!! :confused:

[Freakonaleash89]

Well I have a AMD 1.2ghz T-bird and it works fine so I'm keeping it for as long as I can. So as far as a reliable system goes I should buy Intel?

[ReDeeMeR]

They are both reliable...

[Yian]

....but their chips are not good enough. Unlime my bag of chips, they get fucked up instantly if you dip them into sour cream and have a bite... and they don't taste gooood....:(

[IkYiolul]

Originally posted by Freakonaleash89
Well I have a AMD 1.2ghz T-bird and it works fine so I'm keeping it for as long as I can. So as far as a reliable system goes I should buy Intel?

If ur with AMD dude..just wait till AMD gets a better chip out there...and either go for that new chip / or go for one that you're lookin to buy around this time.

I have my opinions set firm...I will never buy another Intel chip, and I will always think ATI has the better video cards.
(Yian knows this)

[Yian]

Matt, what th FFF! You were there when I got the chip! So was Kevin and D .....

[Yian]

Originally posted by IkYiolul
...and I will always think ATI has the better video cards.
(Yian knows this)
uh huh...

[IkYiolul]

why did you buy one then huhuhuhuhuhuh?

[ReDeeMeR]

pwned :D