Wholly Shit They Found A Nuke In Iraq

[IkYiolul]

:D :D :D
LOL....they tested it and um...contained minor traces of nerve gas..
*retested*: tests come out negative.

LOL the US is so GAY!

[portzebie]

thats is odd?

[NuclearWhale]

The US is full of shit!

[Freakonaleash89]

Yeah... they are all full of shit.

[future man]

Yeah, well i hope you all die choking on razor blades.

[aphremen]

Yeah guys don't be dissin'. It's probably the media's fault for sayin' shit b4 they knew the whole story.

[JerraMaya]

i have to do this *ahem ahem* :D

[future man]

I have to do this *ahem* fuck you *ahem*

[NuclearWhale]

America is all about lies...

[Shadow]

remember "Iraq is linked the Al Qaeda" ... That was the moment I lost what small amount of belief I had in the US government... Also the time they lied to the soldiers about the depleted uranium shells....

[aphremen]

Bush is different from the American gov't. He is a dictator put into power by a corrupt supreme court looking to cover its own ass. With any luck, he will be sporting and step down after only getting 1% of the popular vote.

In other news, is it a democracy if you only get to choose between two parties?

[Bluu]

Originally posted by NuclearWhale
America is all about lies...

u are sooooooo all about being true...!!!



up with NuclearWhale!!!

[Rhenna]

Gee, guys, didn't I see live video, still photos, newspaper accounts, etc. of some big-ass terrorist facility in Northeast Iraq? That doesn't count? Oh, wait a minute, maybe the U.S. rushed a bunch of contractors in there and they built it "to cover their ass".

Lies about depleted uranium? I knew about depleted uranium projectiles while I was in 8th grade. You want to punch through armor plate? Then you need something whose density is out of proportion to it's mass. >>> DU. If a thirteen year old girl knows this, how is it a big secret? Whose lying?

Bush is a dictator? The Supreme Court is corrupt? Do you even think about what you type? Believe me, I'm no George Bush groupie, but that crap is outrageous. I think I smell sour grapes.

You're all entitled to express your feelings, but some of you are speaking from a standpoint of ignorance; others are just behaving that way, IMO.

[Odm]

The one thing I really detest about the US government (and all governments similar to it) is the fact that you don't choose the candidates. This means that you basically get to "choose" from the better of the two, but if you have two really bad candidates... And guess who selects the candidates? The people in power. Really democratic...

[aphremen]

From now on when i'm sarcastic I'll put it in Italics . Sorry 'bout 'dat. The last part was serious though, it would kick ass if libritarians could post some big numbers like 5% or so. I voted for 'em.

It's bullshit that we'd lie about the shit they are finding in Iraq. Watch the History channel for a bit, they have a great show about how Saddam wanted a nuke like most ruthless dictators want lots of statues (since he already had them). Since he couldn't have one of those, he made chemical weapons. Do you honestly think he didn't have any WOMD and/or facilities for building them? if you answered yes, you are ignorant. I bet you also think that if left to his own devices Saddam would leave everyone else alone and never hurt anyone and just host sleepovers with his bestest buddies from Kuwait, Isreal, pretty much everyone 'cause he is just so darned friendly.

Like I said before, sometimes the press gets it wrong. These are the same guys who tell you things like "Oh, j-lo is going out with Ben Affleck! They are planning to get married in two weeks! How do I know this? I just made it up, biotch, but you'll believe any bullshit I tell you because you are stupid!" Also, the 24hr networks are trying to think of new stuff to say about the war, since it's the only programming they have they will get things confused, heck, just make stuff up.

What the heck is the thing about lies about depleted Uranium? It's no lie, depleted Uranium is the bomb! It's hella dense. Also, the supreme court is the bomb. When congress creates laws that diss on our constitutional rights, they diss on those laws. That's why democracy rocks the hizouse. It just bothers me that the parties tell you "yo, vote for one of these people" and here in the US, only two parties have a realistic chance of winning. And I think the electoral college stinks. Yeah, it makes up for innacuracy but it means that by myself living in HI, if I vote anything but D, it doesn't matter.

[EDIT: I know I'm long winded but I can't help myself, I always get misunderstood when I do a short post like above.]

[Hitman]

All you anti-US haters are sad, I wonder why you hate.. hmm maybe cause your jealous of something.. ahh the word resentment comes to mind, look it up you cocksuckers.. at least if you're going to hate on the US give a valid reason, damn posting one line shit that makes no sense and have no valid reason shows how lame you truly are.

"Yeah guys don't be dissin'. It's probably the media's fault for sayin' shit b4 they knew the whole story."

He said it best, enough said.. it kools to be a foreigner but keep you evil thoughts to yourself, you don't see the US peeps on here dissing others, well besides the French.

[portzebie]

Originally posted by Bluu
u are sooooooo all about being true...!!!



up with NuclearWhale!!!
I Wish i could hug both of you for speking for me !

[Downfall]

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[Hitman]

LOL.. wow that pic was silly ass.

[NuclearWhale]

I heard an audio clip once where bush stated "There should be limits to freedom." The way I see it is Bush is using all this Terrorist bullshit to make up laws that take away our constitutional rights.

[aphremen]

Yeah, the patriots act. It's quite evil. I don't think Rhenna could defend the patriots act as being a great idea.

Oh yeah, but even besides that, there are limits of freedom besides that, IE: you have religious freedom but you can't sacrifice a human being to your elder god.

[Shadow]

Um... Rhenna, in the first gulf war, it was a big secret... how else do you think 1/3 of the deaths occured?

[aphremen]

Because of depleted Uranium bullets?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Holy crap you need to cut down on your medicinal THC prescription. I know glacoma is painful but you only need to take a little, don't take the whole bottle of pills at the same time!

[Yian]

How did I miss this political debate?

Anyways, this is my point of view: The situation gets complicated usually when things were never fully understood at the first place. Many things were supposed to be crystal clear at the first place was never explained, thus the more things we built onto it, the more confusing it gets...

Here are some facts I think most poeple never fully realize:

1) U.S. has the right to attack Iraq if White House thinks it is apporpriate. Neither UN, nor war protester, and not even the feelings of the people from mid-East should get in the way of this. For past decades, since US built up its great military as far as Teddy was the President, this is a very common stragety deployed by US Government to ensure the safety of the US territory, which is eliminating the problems before it gets too big to deal with. Saddam has the weapon or not, we might not know, but we can't just assume that his weapon is not loaded just because we can't see the bullets... we can't dodge, then we shoot first.

2) Iraq might be the only nation in mid-east that dared to speak and act against US in so many ways in the past (they all hated us we know), and Saddam's regime is believed to be the cause. Before it couls rally its force to be strong enough to cause US really big trouble, he must be wiped out. If US laws deal with someone who "threatens" someone with killing, there is nothing wrong to bomb the shit out of Saddam in US's point of view.

3) September 11's event definitely played a big role on this. US government obviously think it is about time to take the matter of terrorist more seriously. One way to do it is to cut the resource of the world-wide terrorist group. Iraq has been funding the terrorists for a long time, attacking them, overthrowin Saddam not just finished their support to terrorism (at least in theory), but also set great example for the nations worldwide.

By now, there are three reasons why we must attack Saddam's regime. One of the American Government's ob is to protect its people, so if all the evidence suggests that Saddam poses a threat to America, it is the government's job to strike him.

There are actually six more points I want to make, but I would like to see how you guys think of What I have said so far, so this post will end here, fro now. Reply!

[aphremen]

Yo yo! Big ups to TR! Way to represent. :D I think the issue is not whether or not we should be there, but now it's moved on to how long should we be there. I think that it might not be a good idea to just pack up the bags and say bai bai just yet, or else some milosivic person will pop up and end up killing ppl who aren't in his ethnic group/religious group.

[future man]

We're gonna establish a few military posts there undoubtedly, I think we'll be there for years.

[Odm]

"1) Which is the only country in the world to have dropped bombs on over twenty different countries since 1945?

2) Which is the only country to have used nuclear weapons?

3) Which country was responsible for a car bomb which killed 80 civilians in Beirut in 1985, in a botched assassination attempt, thereby making it the most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East history?

4) Which country's illegal bombing of Libya in 1986 was described by the UN Legal Committee as a "classic case" of terrorism?

5) Which country rejected the order of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to terminate its "unlawful use of force" against Nicaragua in 1986, and then vetoed a UN Security Council resolution calling on all states to observe international law?

6) Which country was accused by a UN-sponsored truth commission of providing "direct and indirect support" for "acts of genocide" against the Mayan Indians in Guatemala during the 1980s?

7) Which country unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty in December 2001?

8) Which country renounced the efforts to negotiate a verification process for the Biological Weapons Convention and brought an international conference on the matter to a halt in July 2001?

9) Which country prevented the United Nations from curbing the gun trade at a small arms conference in July 2001?

10) Aside from Somalia, which is the only other country in the world to have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child?

11) Which is the only Western country which allows the death penalty to be applied to children?

12) Which is the only G7 country to have refused to sign the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty, forbidding the use of landmines?

13) Which is the only G7 country to have voted against the creation of the International Criminal Court (ICC) in 1998?

14) Which was the only other country to join with Israel in opposing a 1987 General Assembly resolution condemning
international terrorism?

15) Which country refuses to fully pay its debts to the United Nations yet reserves its right to veto United Nations resolutions?


Answer to all 15 questions:

The United States of America."

I'm not sure how sure how true it is, but it's plausible.

[Yian]

Odm's post leads to my second point: US Government is only responsible for its own people. If things could benefit its own people, by all means they must be done.

The best wishes of the people around the world is every nation is given an equal status, all the representitives sit down, talk, come out with a plan, and everyone obet what they have agreed. UN was founded basically on this principle.

In reality, this world has only a limited amount of resource. The only way to survive this world is to ensure that you gain control over as much resource as we can. To do so, US created strong military, became the most politically influential nation in this world. Many people think we are being selfish, but sometimes I'm afraid we are not selfish enough.

US is not the best country in this world. Do you stick your phone card into a phone to make a call, or do you have to go through the operator? Do you press a button to wash your butt after you're done with the toilet, or you have to wipe it yourself? Do you talk to your friend on the cell phone in the basement, or do you have to go out because the signal is weak, or because your cell-phone sucks? What kind of train you have in the subway, the one that allow you stand in the middle of the train without holding things for support, or the one that makes a lot of noise and shakes all the way through...?

Does US government let its citizens pay $150 dollars per year and receive free medical-care?

Does what so-called "community" let you do whatever you want with your backyard? Or does it tells you what to do with your house, even if you bought it with YOUR money?

When is the last time you get soemthing serious done without filling more than 10 pages of paperwork?

When is the last time you are free to leave the fire door open for a few minutes, knowing the fact that the house hasn't cought on fire for the past 50 years?

When is the last time you walked into a cafeteria and see everyone sit together, instead of black people at one side, white at the other, Hispanic at somewhere else....

When is the last time you walk out to ATM in the middle of the night?

In many, many aspects, America sucks. But why people just kept coming to this place? Why there are so many immigrants?

Because this nation has the greatest military, not by its number, but its advanced technology and tactics. US is a safe place for manythings: it has a centralized government, a firm, though rigid, law system, an above-avarage economy; it accepts all religions, all races, and it is without constant wars or invaders.

Japanese has the best cell phones, best cars, and their subway is much better than ours, but why they are so scared of China and North Korea?

Taiwanese has great health care system from its government, and a very minimum amount of paperwork. Why it is so scared of China, too?

People in Congo Republic can do whatever they want to their backyard, but who was defending them when the genocide took place?

Yes, US breaks treaties out of no where; it likes to tell small nations what to do, too. It even dropped two atomic bombs in the past, it basically gives no shit to UN... but a big nation like US could not, and must not, play by rules set by the others. Those rules only put Americans at the equal status of the others, letting them tie our hands. It is a very sound idea to "be everyone's friend," but too bad they are not your friends. They want to eat you. This whole world, people eat each other.

How about Microsoft with Sony, and Nintendo? Forget about the console war, let's make no war but love.....

How about Intel and AMD?

There are severe competitions between these companies, but it is not because their employees hated the ones from the other companies. It is all about business.

The same thing here. If we don't expect our domestic business runners has no competitions, then how can we possibly think we can get alone with those nations who will threaten our safety? And those who holds the resource we needs? And those who refuse to aid us but to aid our enemies?

And if their people hated us...?

I'm sorry, but it takes someone much more intellectual than me to solve that matter. Putting love into everyone's heart in a world of "surviving the fittest," it takes, obviously, a lot more than 5000 years of human intellgence to do.

[Odm]

Originally posted by Yian
Odm's post leads to my second point: US Government is only responsible for its own people. If things could benefit its own people, by all means they must be done.
I disagree with that. If you are prepared to interfere with other countries, then you should be prepared to be responsible for those countries (to a certain degree) Otherwise, because it benefits the US, Mr Bush could pump billions of gallons of oil out of Iraq and ship it back to America. To a certain extent, the US is responsible for its people, but as the world's sole superpower, it must also watch out for the well-being of other countries.

I believe that mankind is inherently good, but systems like capitilism and greed have twisted us until sometimes it seems like we're eat each other. Maybe, i'm just naive, but I don't think everyone eats each other (just some greedy people) And also, putting America at equal status is not "tying its hands" but rather making it so the rest of the world does not have to live under a pseudo-dictatorship with America as the dictator.

[Yian]

Uh, once again I must make this point clear: It has nothing to do wtih good or evil, nor the human nature, or the responsibility US has over other countries.

It is the nature of the game.

But I must agree. US Government is not responsible for the countries we messed up, if it is the things that must to be done, but the citizens of those nations are innocent.

Yet, US Government could help them all theyway it could, or not.

If we have more citizens aware, and willing to, help these people, we surely could make our government to repair the damage. But are there enough power over these politicians in our hands...?

We all love peace, we all want justice, we all want to be kind if human nature is good, which is what I believe.

Yet we have only limited resource, and yet there are people driven by hate and greed and dictatorship....

.... there is no justice, only reality.

[NuclearWhale]

The US government is only trying to clean up their mistakes, we put saddam in power and gave him weapons and aid, we did this because we saw Iran as more of a threat. The US may only be responsible for its own people but it is responsible for their mistakes that have caused people of other countries to lose their lives.

The other thing is bush sucks at political relations, but he is good at war. Personally I think the whole two towers thing was a set up, I will probably get flamed for this but its just my opinon and thats what I am expressing.

[Downfall]

WHAT!!!!!!.......must resist flaming........ok now that that is over.....where did you get the idea that the two towers was a set up?(not trying to sound sarcastic or mean just a question).

That was a great tradegy for many many MANY people....not just americans ..but many other....ethnic groups (i dont know how to word that better) were also in there.....many people died....I honestly dont think that anyone would set that up on their own country just to promote themselves........

[Yian]

Hey, nothing wrong with making a mistake now and then, and nothing wrong with trying to fix it.

[AVataRR]

I vote Yian for president!#@#%@#$#%%$

[Hitman]

Ohm.. Which country is still the one and only super power and which country is still playing world police and not because we have to but because we care... people talk about how much we're hated but if other nations would step up and do some of the duties the US is handling, we wouldn't have to be in some of those very same places we're hated so much, it's not our fault everyone else is pussy.. hmmm, it's nice to see you dig up some facts but the purpose behind the digging was ill fated.

[Yian]

Originally posted by Downfall
I honestly dont think that anyone would set that up on their own country just to promote themselves........

Let's hope it is never a set up. Greed of power, control, and reputations has lured many men and women into madness, and it might not be a great plan, or an intention, but a piece of thought... :"It will really help the motive if I just ignore it a bit..."

And of course, let's hope that it is untrue. I just want to say that there is a chance, though.

[JerraMaya]

i have to say this again *ahem ahem* Fuck this topic i think no one agrees with no one on any piont , we dont think in a positive manner v fight , US is wrong if it stays in Iraq it will be occupation not IRAQI FREEDOM ( thats bullshit) and Basterd saddam gone everyone is happy but American should make a goverment and leave iraq soon thats the only result everyone wants to c, Bush btw has nothing else to do but war , his father loves war 2 , that is one war family , he should think of developing his country more in other fields than freedom of other country and now US is after syria and putting sanctions on it thats just going against US and its policy , the best result anyone hopes for is that US should leave as soon as possible which i think presonally wont happen but lets hope

[Rhenna]

I've seen Odm's 15-Point bash at the U.S. on the web before. Well, to be fair, it's not Odm's list; he's just recycling it. On the fly, totally unprepared, let me see if I can respond:

1.) We get involved. We have the best Air Force.

2.) There was a little thing called World War II underway. And, remember Pearl Harbor?

3.) I recall that some CIA-trained locals were trying to off some Hezbollah biqwig. They screwed up. But the statement is BS anyway, 'cause I seem to remember 241 U.S. Marines killed by being truck-bombed in Beirut in 1983.

4.) '86 bombing of Libya was in response to Libyan bombing of a nightclub in Berlin that killed U.S. soldiers.

5.) Why was it OK for Soviet and Cuban-backed Nicaraguans to be in El Salvador, but not U.S.-backed Nicaraguans to be in their own country?

6.) Another CIA screwup. They were training everybody's military back then, as long as they were anti-communist, including Guatemala's goons.

7.) With this loop-job runt running North Korea, who could blame us?

8.) This one is testing my memory. I think it was a case of the U.S. believing the proposal could allow cheating and falsification. (?)

9.) U.S. felt, (correctly, IMO), that it would interfere with rights of U.S. citizens regarding firearm owenership.

10.) I do remember this. As worded, the treaty would have clobbered the traditional U.S. parent-child relationship. It was inconsistent with U.S. law regarding minors and their parents or guardians.

11.) If by children, you mean some 17 year old gang-banger killing some poor 6 year old during a drive-by, then, yeah, fry his ass.

12.) We're not alone. Cuba, North Korea, China, Russia and some 40 (?) others are keeping them, too. At least we clean up our mines, as well as any others we find.

13.) Hazy on this one. U.S. had some issue regarding U.S. troops under U.N. authority being subject to possible unwarranted prosecution. (or something like that.)

14.) U.S. took a pass on this one because Israel was being measured for the Terrorist Nation of the Year Award.

15.) This one is easy. We're hosting that particular party. We're already paying through the nose in a thousand different ways.

No hard feelings, Odm. You seem like a good person, as does everyone else. That being said:

Let the flaming begin!

[aphremen]

Rhenna is a bad-ass! She's like the Samuel L Jackson of this forum.

[Yian]

uh, Mace Windu?

[Downfall]

nah ....more like Shaft

[Rhenna]

I had a bad day at work and was feeling combative. I'm all better now, and I promise not to hurt anyone. Really.

BTW, Downfall, **NICE PIECE!**

[aphremen]

Every forum needs someone to regulate. Bust out the facts when people are spouting ignorant BS. You are that person. Yian's pretty good at it too.

[Odm]

Rhenna, you're right I'm just passing this on, and I respect that you weren't trying to flame me, and you do have some very good points.. However, your response in your response number 1 you're saying that if you saw someone being beaten (possibly to death) on the street, and you had a grenade you'd throw it at them? And in number 4, that if someone kills your family it's alright to kill theirs?

And Hitman, just because we don't have as little regard for innocent human lives as the US has, doesn't mean we're pussy. All I'm saying is that the US kills more innocent people, not that they're never justified to go to war. I'm also not saying that the US shouldn't help other countries, it should just be prepared to take responsibility for their actions and try to solve matters peacefully. Oh, and it's Odm, not Ohm. I don't call you Hihman.

[aphremen]

Ohm is awesome! It's like Hertz.

[Hitman]

In regards to the name my bad..

Ok now there is a certain point at which things can't be handled peacefully, in regards to Iraq if Saddam had cooperated with the UN and such the war wouldn't have happened, how are you gonna have a couple thousand bio and chemical weapons and all of a sudden they dissapear from the reports.. how much longer were we suppose to stall, it's not time for sitting on our asses while crazies run around doing things their way.. if the world want to be policed and we're looked at in that manner then that's what we'll do when we feel the need arises.. I agree 100% with the government, if they feel we are in danger or threatened in any form they have the right to act on it.

In terms of civilian casualites and living up to our responses in wartime well civilian casualties are expected and will be always expected in every war, shit happens that's the way I see it, if I knew a war was coming to my neighborhood I would get the fuck out and quick, there is no room for silly shit in wartime.. now about the "innocent" people being killed, I believe the thousands or so that got killed in the Twin Towers were innocent also, what did they do to deserve a death like that? After seeing 9/11 I have no say about what or who the government wants to go after, I also have no say on about innocent's when war is involved, there is a goal to accomplish and that's that.

[Odm]

Hitman, a lot of innocent people have died in Iraq, a number that rivals those killed on 9/11. Not to mention the people conscripted into being in the army... but you can't avoid killing them. You're right that there must always be some "collateral damage", but you should never forget that they're people too, with families and lives. And the US has never been invaded, so you wouldn't know how you would react. But my point about taking responsibility is you don't go into a country, screw it up, then leave.

[IkYiolul]

well this is what terrorists do...go to a place and screw it up and leave. I think however that since the US hasnt actually found any damn weapons that they give the 60billion dollars that they got for the war in order to help the civilians of iraq and form some peace out there. It's the US's fault that they got away with their weapons...I bet they moved them outta the country(Saddam's nukes are worth alot to him u would think right!?). So why didnt the US have a campaign that surrounded the borders of Iraq before they started war? The US is STUPID obviously...if you've played any strategy games thats how u would make sure that ur opponent doesnt get outta the area right??? RIGHT!!!

And now they wanna fake up some bullshit that they found a warhead that was full of nerve agents, but after they performed the tests again they were negative...that stupid bullshit pisses me off. WOW nerve gas!! OMG! we're looking for lots of nukes and shit, not one tiny warhead that was used to store some gas

[Hitman]

It wasn't the US who said they found a nuke and shit like that, if anyone is to blame it's the press.. as you know the military doesn't make a judgement when it comes to things of that matter, anytime something like that happens it's always the press, they shouldn't even be allowed there is the first place as wars should be handled by the military and it's generals not the civilian population back home, if people are so nosy and want to know what's going on let them go join and wear a uniform to the front line, that way they'll have first hand knowledge... as for the US messing up the country and then leaving well that's totally false, we're the ones making these meetings with the Iraqi leaders happen, as a matter today the US got the first one on the way in some tent over there with more than a dozen Iraqi faction leaders.. then it goes back to the money also, that 60 billions or however much it was that Congress allotted for the Iraqi cause is still going to be used over there, that money could be useful here but once again we have a responsibility and we are keeping to it... speaking of rebuilding it's funny how France and others didn't want to help the coalition in the war but yet they want to help rebuild because of the billions they could possibably make.. HA, I say let them all bicker amongst themselves, they did NOTHING but bitch about how the war the wrong and didn't left a finger to help the coalition so they shouldn't be allowed to help rebuild either.

Last comment from me, this topic bores me now... take care.

[NuclearWhale]

Two Words: Ignorant Americans

[JerraMaya]

Originally posted by Odm
Hitman, a lot of innocent people have died in Iraq, a number that rivals those killed on 9/11. Not to mention the people conscripted into being in the army... but you can't avoid killing them. You're right that there must always be some "collateral damage", but you should never forget that they're people too, with families and lives. And the US has never been invaded, so you wouldn't know how you would react. But my point about taking responsibility is you don't go into a country, screw it up, then leave.

I agree, thats 100% true and are facts v should accept
and hope for a better result than worse

[|)U(|(0F|)3@TH]

a lot of innocent people have died in Iraq, a number that rivals those killed on 9/11.
Various public estimates of civilian casualties in the Iraq war number from ~1000 (most optimistic) to ~3500 (most pessimistic). Estimates of the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam in his more than 30 years in power range from the hundreds of thousands to the low millions. Do the math.

If you're mathematically challenged, read or listen to the transcript of this radio show instead. The Iraqi-American guest explains the math very clearly. (It's worth dl'ing the mp3 and listening to it, instead of just reading it).

http://users.rcn.com/wcitymike/transcript.html

Also, for those wondering where Iraq got all their weapons, here's some actual data: >90% of his military hardware from USSR, France, China, and a few ex-Soviet satellites. 1% from the US, 0% from the UK.

A chart compiled by a Frenchman:
http://www.xanga.com/home.asp?user=dissidentfrogman&nextdate=3%2F31%2F2003&cal=1
http://i.xanga.com/dissidentfrogman/saddamgraph.gif (direct link to saddamgraph.gif)

The graph is based on data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Insititute:
http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/atirq_data.html

That's a Swedish and a French source, so don't go all anti-American on me.

Finally, want to know why Saddam is a threat? Read (and bookmark, it's a good site):
http://www.thebulletin.org/research/collections/iraq.html

It's not that he has WMD. UNSCOM and UNMOVIC got rid of most if not all of Hussein's WMD up to 1998 when he expelled them. However, they failed to get rid of his blueprints, plans, and other documents that would allow him to quickly rebuild his WMD capability after the UN withdrew. Saddam has demonstrated his irrevocable intent of developing nuclear capability, has publicly stated that nuclear war with Israel is inevitable (as the primary reason for his building such an arsenal), and before GW1 he intended to conquer all of the Middle East, from Iran to Saudi Arabia, starting with Kuwait. Honestly, how many more inches were we supposed to give the guy and how many miles would he have taken? Here's the crux of the matter, and the reason why we took out Hussein (from the link above):

Even as Iraq was agreeing (during the Gulf War 1 cease fire negotiations), under the terms of Resolution 687, to disclose its nuclear program and bring it to an end, it was developing a broad strategy for hiding evidence of the program and misleading U.N. inspectors about it.
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In 1998, many believe that Iraq�s nuclear program has been dismantled and most if not all of the materials and equipment that were used in that program have been found and destroyed. But in a seven-year-plus effort, U.N. inspectors from the U.N. Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Action Team have had to work through so many layers of deception, and have received so many different �full, final, and complete declarations� from the Iraqis, that they have no doubt Iraq is still hiding important information. Inspectors believe they may never know the full story.

And theirs is not idle curiosity. The stakes are high. Inspectors believe that Iraq could reconstitute its nuclear weapons program quickly, once sanctions are lifted. Although Iraq might need several years to recreate its enriched-uranium or plutonium programs, it might be able to acquire fissile material on the black market. In that case, it has already learned enough to be able to build a nuclear weapon in less than a year. As a result, Iraq�s nuclear potential must be carefully scrutinized by international inspectors for some time to come.

The fact is, the nuclear non-proliferation efforts begun in full after the fall of the USSR have mostly failed over the past decade. India and Pakistan went nuclear in '98, North Korea is almost there (undoubtedly with China's help) as is Iran. Iraq would be nuclear if not for Saddam's ill-advised invasion of Kuwait, and who knows how much material has leaked from the decaying Russian military onto the black market for terrorist dirty-bombs. Is this the kind of world we want to live in, in which unstable psychotic tyrants have these kinds of weapons? No. America's only options at this juncture were to continue fiddling in the UN while the world went nuclear around us, or to go out and put a stop to it. I am sorry for both the innocent Iraqis and the coalition military members who died in recent weeks, but in the long run this war will be very good for both the overall Iraqi population and the entire world, if it even halfway accomplishes its purpose of slowing the proliferation of nukes and other WMD.

I personally don't like the fact that America had to exercise its military power in this manner, in that region, but I don't see any other realistic choice besides allowing non-proliferation to utterly fail. At least now that policy has some teeth. Too bad we didn't just take out Saddam in 91, but we had made a deal with the Arab nations and the UN not to do that.

[Yian]

Wow, a really thorough analysis there!! Good job!

Seriously, though. We should all be glad that another possibility of WMD is gone, and I really hope the new Iraqi government will be good to its people, and maybe even improve US's image over the mid-East... tough it might be but there is always hope...:D

Saddam is probably done forever. Hope him rest in peace.... or pieces, who knows. No matter what kind og God he believed in, he got it all worn and Hell is where he's going now.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by aphremen
Because of depleted Uranium bullets?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Holy crap you need to cut down on your medicinal THC prescription. I know glacoma is painful but you only need to take a little, don't take the whole bottle of pills at the same time!

Because of depleted uranium dust, foo!

[comlink]

Here's an interesting page on DU:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/990503-du.htm

And here's a list of a bunch (for and against) along with a discription and some pictures:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/du.htm

[IkYiolul]

does taiwan hate the US like yong says korea does?

[cr3am]

Originally posted by IkYiolul
LOL the US is so GAY! you just made my shit list. i'll be watching you

[IkYiolul]

lol okay...little um sensitive for the gays there eh cr3am?

[future man]

blorben

[cr3am]

Originally posted by IkYiolul
lol okay...little um sensitive for the gays there eh cr3am? oh whoa, you really seem to wanna get smacked

[IkYiolul]

lolz, calm ur azz