My CRT is dieing.

[Chimera[NL]]

Fuck! The image on my 21 inch Dell CRT is bobbing up and down and last night it tilted all the way up. Does anyone know what I'm supposed to do? Should I consider it a goner?

Ps. This sucks ass. If I were to replace this screeen with a new 21 Inch CRT with equal quality it would cost me around 800 E.

[MrBored]

If a CRT dies it can normally be fixed, they're very simple devices. Just make sure you send it somewhere reputable.

I had a monitor do that after I left it in the car while parked in the hot sun. After a day it was fine again.

[Chimera[NL]]

If a CRT dies it can normally be fixed, they're very simple devices. Just make sure you send it somewhere reputable.

I had a monitor do that after I left it in the car while parked in the hot sun. After a day it was fine again.

Yeah mine was standing near an open window and it was really cold that night. I turned it on the next day (today) and it did a little hiccup and she's fine ever since but I'm kinda worried I mistreated my baby and she will die on me within a week or two.

[MrBored]

Should be ok then, mine is still going 3 years after that incident. Its 6 years old.

[Chimera[NL]]

Pff thank god. It would be a shame if I had to throw it away. It's one hell of a good monitor.

[TopSecretBoy]

CRT's are like girls into bondage. Just give her a good smack and she'll perk right up.

[Hobbes874]

L........C........D

[TopSecretBoy]

L........C........D

Are for pussies.

[Digital Limit]

Plural, bitch.

Anywho, LCD > my penis (which is saying something kekeke)

(huge penis, seriously)

[Hobbes874]

Are for pussy fuckers.

Mmmmmmmm poo-tang.

[Yian]

I would go for LCD, too, but I don't think the hardcroe gamers are going to change their opinion on this subject matter. ;)

[Chimera[NL]]

No thnx guys. I'll always go for the a CRT unless they somehow solved the problems of native resolutions and the ghosting. CRT ftw.

BTW, thnx for the advice guys but I think she's all fine again. She had a small hiccup after I came home and she is fine ever since.

[Phobo]

Don't put baby in the window

[Chimera[NL]]

Yeah I allready apologized to her.

[FATMAN]

']No thnx guys. I'll always go for the a CRT unless they somehow solved the problems of native resolutions and the ghosting. CRT ftw.

BTW, thnx for the advice guys but I think she's all fine again. She had a small hiccup after I came home and she is fine ever since.

ghosting aint a problem anymore, but u'll need to pay alot to get a 21" monitor with a fast response time. But for native resolution, u'll have to wait longer.

[Chimera[NL]]

Yeah so at the end of the day it all comes down to this: CRT > LCD. :cool:

[King Speedy]

Absolutely.

[MrBored]

Yip.

[Digital Pimp]

I don't mind a bad headache at all, CRT FTW.

[Chimera[NL]]

Headaches from CRTs? Man what brand are you looking at?

[farsimon]

']Yeah so at the end of the day it all comes down to this: CRT > LCD. :cool:
...and I was on my way to buy a freakin' lcd screen. Thanks for this thread - I'll stick with my ol' trusty dell now...

I think the headaches comes from viewing at lower than 70 refresh rates...

[nineball16]

I get headaches from my CRT. it also makes weird cracking noises when its turned off

[Chimera[NL]]

I get headaches from my CRT. it also makes weird cracking noises when its turned off

Weird.

[MrBored]

The bigger the screen the higher the required refresh rate imo. A 17inch might be fine at 75hz, but I find the flickering more noticeable on a 19inch. I think the display area is just that much bigger so 85hz is ideal in that regard. Low refresh rates can definitely give you some nasty headaches or just sore eyes.

[burnart]

LCD FTW, no refresh rate

[Digital Limit]

I have no problems wiith ghosting on my 19" Samsung. It's resolution isn't the sexiest, but it's far more crisp and less reflective than my CRT. Good shit all around.

[MrBored]

There is no way an LCD is more crisp/sharp than a CRT, and if you can't see the ghosting that doesn't mean its not there. You just don't want to see it. The easiest way to show ghosting is to drag a window over a black or white background, it'll be instantly noticeable on any LCD ever made, ever.

[farsimon]

Refresh rate is the same as frame rate in the sense that the content gets refreshed x amount of times per second (hz), the only difference is that the image is not put on screen in its entire form, but rather rendered line by line - the size of the screen is irrelevant.

[Chimera[NL]]

LCD FTW, no refresh rate

You might wanna explain that.

[burnart]

']You might wanna explain that.

Oops, I see that i'm in trouble, Ill get someone to help me out. I'll be back :D

[burnart]

Ok, he wasn't online, so I'll try explain.

CRT uses refresh rate, it "updates" the screen so many times a second (75hz updates 75 times a second), thats the flickering you get headaches from, in LCD each is turned off\on indivadually, so the "8ms" thing you on LCD specs is the respons time of the pixels...

or something, anyway LCD FTW

MrBored: have you ever tested a good LCD monitor? I wouldn't change back to CRT even if someone threatened me with a knife!

[Chimera[NL]]

Oh yeah I see what you mean, the pixels stay on a certain color as long as the electricity keeps flowing. A CRT "shoots" the pixels 85 times per second (85Hz) against the screen.

Anyhow, ask the experts on this topic. CRT is still the best.

Especially my baby, my Dell 21 inch trinitron, hihi

[MrBored]

MrBored: have you ever tested a good LCD monitor?
Obviously. LCDs have a lot of other problems such as uniform back lighting and displaying the correct colours. They're retarded.

A CRT fires electrons against different coloured phosphors to generate RGB, it draws the screen in lines and it takes roughly 10ms to redraw the entire screen at 85hz. For an LCD that may sound bad, but what the marketing people don't tell you is that their fictitious "response time" actually means nothing in particular. It could mean the pixel fall time, the time it takes to go from a grey pixel to white then back to grey, or from white to black back to white. There is no accepted or widely used standard for measuring this. The new Viewsonic VX924 has a marketing response time of 3ms and you can see on a good review that the monitor will only achieve this under certain conditions and at the same time may take serveral refreshes to achieve the correct colour.

The phosphor pixels on a CRT take less than 1ms to stop emitting light, basically if an electron doesn't hit it, it won't glow. This means that there is no delay when the scanning electron beam comes round to draw the next frame, it instantly assumes the colour that its supposed to. Any refresh rate above and including 75hz shouldn't give you headaches and if you still get them its probably not from the monitor but from the 60hz (the frequency of the AC coming from the powerstation, may be as low as 50hz in some countries) fluorescent lighting in the computer lan or cubicle ;/ Or maybe you're getting eye strain cause you need glasses.

And then there is the huge problem of native resolutions...

[Chimera[NL]]

Also, those "perfect" responsetimes are usually only in a small circle around the center while the rest of the screen is considerably slower.


And yes, native reso's suck aswell.

[burnart]

I admit that lcd's isn't as good as crt when it comes to watching movies and stuff, but its crisper , larger (17"crt is actually 16", lcd is the full size, if not more), SMALLER(easyer to carry), and you dont notice any difference in games. The trick is to find a monitor that shows Black as black and white as white. And I dont ever need bigger resulotion that 1280*1024.

Like I said, LCD ftw. Why lift 20kg, when you can lift 6?

[Chimera[NL]]

And I dont ever need bigger resulotion that 1280*1024.

Once you go 1600x1200 you don't ever wanna go back.

[SuperDavidGT]

lcds looks sexier. decent sized crts need a recess in the wall that would fit a fridge.

[Chimera[NL]]

Your point being? We're talking about the quality of the screens here. The esthetic values are subjective to the viewers taste anyway which renders it useless.

Though I gotta admit, my point about loving 1600 is also just my opinion offcourse.

[RAY16]

I prefer CRT's, even if they are huge.

/me hugs his Gateway 2000 Vivitron 1776 (trinitron ftw).

[Chimera[NL]]

(trinitron ftw).

True dat.

[Phobo]

no winn4r!

[burnart]

your all in DENIAL!