Capital Punishment

[nineball16]

what do you guys think of capital punishment? should murderers, rapers, drug traffickers, suspected terrorists rot away for life, or have it over and done with already?

[iplayguitar]

I'm for capital punichment. A life sentence equals money down the drain having to care for prisoners untill they die.

[rekopzorz]

I dont know if this is true but in one of my classes a girl was doing a persuasive speech agianst capital punishment, and she said it would cost more to keep inmates on death row and kill them then keeping them in jail for life. That does not seem right, but I have no idea if it is or not.

[schnitzel_bob]

I'm not religious so I don't feel any of that guilt, but I still have problems with capital punishment. It all depends on your view of what the justice system is supposed to do. I believe rehabilitation is one of the key elements, so capital punishment is not the answer. I live in Canada, and there hasn't been capital punishment for 30 years.
I've never had a horrible tragedy happen to me, though, so maybe my opinion would change if someone killed or raped someone I loved.
I always find it interesting that the bible thumping religious right has no problems justifying capital punishment despite "Thou shalt not kill". Of course, if you want a ready reservoire of hypocrisy, then look no further than organised religion.

[Downfall]

im all for it, as long as they are sure they have the right person. they spend to much $ with injections and ol sparky when all they realy need is the cost of 1 bullet and a firing squad. much more cost effective and im sure it would get great ratings on tv.

[nineball16]

you just have to make sure they have the right person

[SuperDavidGT]

im mixed. i think there are some people who deserve to die out there, but thats me being angry and compassionate to the people who were wronged, and not thinking about the other person.

i dont really agree with capital punishment at all, but if it was going to happen I would say institute it as punishment for crimes where the perp has actually harmed someone directly, like murder/assault, etc.

if in the instance of say, drug muling, i think its a load of bullshit. a drug mule is forced and threatened to smuggle the goods, but in the end its not him who hands it over to some poor addict in exchange for money.

[nineball16]

somehow, i agree with the capital punishment of drug smuggling. Its something that needs to be dealt with firmly. However, more needs to be done to allow convicted traffickers to appeal if they believe they have a strong right to live. I'm completely anti-drugs. I've seen what they do. Heroin, coke and all that are nothing but products of evil, and if your caught carrying it, you can expect a harsh treatment. Though i feel extremely sorry for those forced to carry it, or get caught with it as a 'scapegoat'.

If Nguyen Van Tuong made it to Australia with his heroin, he would have been able to pay off his brother's debts like he said he would, but at a huge social cost to more than 5000 people who's lives could have been wrecked. We only have singapore to thank for his sentence

extorsion, treason, spy, laundering and arson are crimes i believe do not deserve death sentences, but are extremely common

[SuperDavidGT]

treason still carries the death penalty here, doesnt it? I can agree with that, we dont want any two-faced motherfuckers trying to bring our country down, we already get enough of that from american corporations.

i wasn't really too bothered about the van nguyen case until i started hearing all the stuff about him "finding peace" and being rehabilitated from his ways. he spent three years on death row waiting for the short drop, and if he really did learn his lesson, then why should they kill him? three years is an awful lot of time for what he did, which he seemed to believe was his way of doing something right for his brother. how many times did their prime minister get requests for clemency and reprieve - and yet he still stuck with the execution sentence? and for what, just to set an example?

I couldnt believe it when they said "he can't hug his mum, but they can hold hands" - that made me sick, that physically made me sick. he's spent three years where the only physical contact he's had with other human beings is probably the guards beating the shit out of him when they get bored (it is in changi, i wouldnt put it past them) and they think a hug is going to traumatise him more than isolation?

[farsimon]

I say everyone has one chance to do a crime and be forgiven. After that - if your crime fucked up someone's life in such a way that they will not recover from it, you should be killed.

[Killer Klown]

There are enough people in the world. No harm in getting rid of the proven fucked up ones.

[TopSecretBoy]

I'm all for capital punishment, but for fucks sakes. Speed the fucking process up a bit. I'm sick of these fuckers who have been on death row for 8 years. And why so expensive? Your average execution costs like 100,000 fucking dollars. How much is an M9 and a couple bullets? 400 + 5 bucks?

[nineball16]

I say everyone has one chance to do a crime and be forgiven. After that - if your crime fucked up someone's life in such a way that they will not recover from it, you should be killed.

so... everyone has the chance to do one crime huh?.......

[tisl]

I'm all for capital punishment, but for fucks sakes. Speed the fucking process up a bit. I'm sick of these fuckers who have been on death row for 8 years. And why so expensive? Your average execution costs like 100,000 fucking dollars. How much is an M9 and a couple bullets? 400 + 5 bucks?

Rope is free.

[Vlad]

Death as a 'punishment' is completely silly.

The only punishment inherent in capital punishment is the actual act of dying, and that is usually very swift (hanging-neck breaks, firing squad-usually in the head etc), so the pain and thus punishment is minimal. Yet the condemed murderer may have caused alot more pain to their victim.

I don't support the death penalty for any crime, ESPECIALLY not murder or something equally bad.

The accused of the most hideous crimes should be locked up and tortured, until they ask to die.

[SuperDavidGT]

The accused of the most hideous crimes should be locked up and tortured, until they ask to die.

so if they ask to die then you're being merciful. if you're going to torture someone for their wrongs, the best thing to do is stick them in solitary for the rest of their life and make them shit/shower/drink out of an open sewer

just like bali!

[nineball16]

what would suck the most is coming out of 20 years in a hell hole, then having to readjust to the real world, all totally new.

[unskinnybob]

Laws and courts are flawed. Money buys freedom and sways verdicts. I say we appoint a king to each country again and let him decide peoples fate. No more fancy lawyers. No more trial by media. The world needs its dictators.

[farsimon]

so... everyone has the chance to do one crime huh?.......
everyone makes mistakes...

[LynX]

If a perp can be confirmed to have committed a serious crime like rape or murder, without any reasonable doubt, with intention to harm or kill then he deserves no better than death.

[schnitzel_bob]

I say we appoint a king to each country again and let him decide peoples fate. No more fancy lawyers. No more trial by media. The world needs its dictators.

*Chief Wiggum* "King Solomon, these two men dispute ownership of this pie."

*Homer as Solomon* "The pie will be split in two, and each man shall receive... death. I'll eat the pie!"

[RacerX]

I am for capital punishment. My wife reads the paper everyday and on top of reinforcing my belief in killing piece of shit criminals, it has also made me question whether we should have children - bring kids into this fucked up world? It scares me that there are so many screwed up and sick assholes in this world that don't get justice served to them.

I remember an incident in Cleveland several years back, a guy walked up to a woman that had just gotten in her car at a mall parking lot. He pointed a gun at her and demanded money. She broke down crying and he shot and killed her right in front of her 3 year old daughter. He had a sympathetic jury that believed him when he said something like "I didn't mean to kill her, the gun just went off". I think he got a 10 year sentence for it being considered manslaughter. WTF?

If you murder, rape, kidnap and torture another human being, you should, in turn, DIE. I'm not worried about sanity pleas. If you're insane and you do any of the aforementioned, all the more reason to be put down.

There are enough people in the world. No harm in getting rid of the proven fucked up ones.
Right on, brother.

[wmgreer]

you just have to make sure they have the right person

If a perp can be confirmed to have committed a serious crime like rape or murder, without any reasonable doubt, with intention to harm or kill then he deserves no better than death

[General Edor Crespin]

I don't remember the exact quote, but in one of H. Beam Piper's books, a character says that he thinks they should be killed not for committing the crime, but for being the kind of person that commits the crime, and I agree with that.

[RacerX]

+1 and then some

[burnart]

your all fucked up...

why should you have to die for rape? or kidnapping? you know how easy it is for girls getting guys convicted of that, wether it happened or not? ITS just SEX, why would you have to die?

And what if the father just wanted to see his daugther, and the mother has the custedy(sp?), he should die for wanting to see his family..KiLL the daddy!

What gives anyone or anything the right to kill anyone else?
The things he's done?
The way he is?

He has no right to kill the person he kills, but what gives the state(yours) to kill him, they dont own him...its just a country..

Here we have some of the weakest punishment, max 21years for whatever someone has done. Though even though is says 21 years, they can keep you for life. A case here just finished now, some pakistani beat a "retard", he wasn't normal but he could walk and talk and live, now he's sitting in a wheelchair, cant talk, cant anything, cant live, just because he got off the bus at the wrong time. The paki got 4.9y...

I think we(norway) need to set harder punishments, but thats just here, usa has to lower theirs, 5y for having a pirated movie is absurd.

Treason is a whole other matter, the last death penalty here in norway was Quisling (as you've heard of I rekon), he was shot. Now they only get life (its the only thing we have life for).

Murder. Well if they ment to kill him, they deserve death, but we dont have the right. Life penalty is the only way to go, and about the costs, they wouldn't use it in the nearest school anyway people...*shocker*

You have some thinking to do, I think...and read some bhudda books people..its good for you...

[Digital Limit]

Capital Punishment is lame. Just make sure they don't escape the jail/prison.

[LynX]

For those against capital punishment, think about these things.

How many jails do you have to put lifers in if there's no capital punishment?
How many police officers can you have to enforce the law and bring the perps in?
How much money, time and resources do you have to spend on building more jails, legal fees, maintenance, paying salaries of prison guards, and the cost of keeping a bunch of useless, destructive fucks away from society?
"People" who might well come out and murder, rape and deal drugs the moment they come out, whose next victim might well be your family members?

Frankly, it is a waste of resources. Convicts have nothing to lose except the freedom to run around and cause other people harm if they're sent to prison. They don't pay for anything. While you, the taxpayer is paying for his living expenses, and that is money that could be used for better things like improving the country's infrastructure.

Sure, it's easy for a girl to get an innocent guy framed for rape or kidnapping, but rape can be easily proven because there would be physical evidence. As for kidnapping, ransom demands can be recorded.
And make the penalty for trying to frame an innocent man, also be equally severe.

I suspect this thread was made in response to that Australian guy on death row cause he tried to smuggle drugs into Singapore. Well Singapore has enough problems and limited resources as it is, since its really a big island, land is not exactly overflowingly abundant. And since their law states death for drug dealers and smugglers, if they make an exception for one person, everyone and his mother will follow suit.

If he wanted to help his equally shitass brother to pay off his debts, he should have gotten an honest paying job instead of smuggling drugs.

[burnart]

For those against capital punishment, think about these things.

How many jails do you have to put lifers in if there's no capital punishment?
How many police officers can you have to enforce the law and bring the perps in?
How much money, time and resources do you have to spend on building more jails, legal fees, maintenance, paying salaries of prison guards, and the cost of keeping a bunch of useless, destructive fucks away from society?
"People" who might well come out and murder, rape and deal drugs the moment they come out, whose next victim might well be your family members?

Frankly, it is a waste of resources. Convicts have nothing to lose except the freedom to run around and cause other people harm if they're sent to prison. They don't pay for anything. While you, the taxpayer is paying for his living expenses, and that is money that could be used for better things like improving the country's infrastructure.

Sure, it's easy for a girl to get an innocent guy framed for rape or kidnapping, but rape can be easily proven because there would be physical evidence. As for kidnapping, ransom demands can be recorded.
And make the penalty for trying to frame an innocent man, also be equally severe.

If he wanted to help his equally shitass brother to pay off his debts, he should have gotten an honest paying job instead of smuggling drugs.

You know what those questions tell me?
if you ruled, a hellova lot more people would die by death sentences. And you need to see the Documentary on Kevin Mitnick.

So every man who killed a man, should die. Even though it was a accident..pretty harsh.

When your in for life, its life....they dont come out and kill your grandma LynX :)

How many People do you think they kill with capital punsihment a year? do you really think it would matter to not do it anymore? dont think they clear out that much space, and if they do...its a scary thought..

and, when he's in for life, when he's in his 80'ties, and you cant walk up some stairs, its time to let him out, how the hell can he kill anyone else? only thing he can do is get some last living years outside...

Do you really think the court(sp?) system is infallible, inncent people get sentenced every day.

You need to see The Shawshank Redemtion (great movie btw)

And; Do you really think this AU man deserves to die? He made a mistake, not everybody can handle pressure. Everybody deserves a second chanse.

[Digital Limit]

I just don't want to die when I didn't do it.

I'm thinking in terms of what's best for me. You might say, "But your family might get pwnt."

Pshaw, I say. My family won't be around those people, so I doubt it'll be a problem.

Either that, or I'll rationalize that it's really unlikely anyway.

[RacerX]

two words: public stoning

It teaches the children what happens to criminals and you can always use the stones again the next time.

[schnitzel_bob]

A quote from the Simpsons:

Old canadian guy to Homer : "I'd like to see a man with the IQ of a child executed by the state. We don't get that here."

As I said, I'm against capital punishment, mostly for the reasons Burnart said, but especially : What gives anyone the kill someone else?
I'm assuming most of the people who post here are religious in some way, so how can you reconcile capital punishment with the teachings of your religions? Even the catholic church, one of the most bass ackwards organisations in the world is against it.

[burnart]

Hey... whats the deal with fucking with my nick people....BurnHart? wtf?OMGzors!11!

[SuperDavidGT]

why should you have to die for rape? or kidnapping? you know how easy it is for girls getting guys convicted of that, wether it happened or not? ITS just SEX, why would you have to die?



obviously your not a chick, nor do you know someone whose been raped. rape in jokes and rape in reality are two completely different things. as far as im concered, rapists should be given the worst torturous death of all

[nineball16]

In reply to Lynx's response (post 28), i did create this thread following the aussie man's death. there are questions whether a life should be taken for the crime he/she did. as the aussies on the forum may know, one main topic covering headlines is australians in overseas countries at the moment on death row for drugs. 9 australians in Bali are heading for death row for attempting to bring heroin back to australia. Van tuong was hanged in singapore for the same thing.

I've seen/heard the impact of drugs, and offenders should be treated harshly. but reading burnart's response, they made a mistake, and in theory, they never actually finished completing the crime that they set out to do; so i think some deserve rehabilitation as it was non-violent crime. but i agree, he is a dumbass for using heroin to pay back his brothers debts instead of getting a job.

[LynX]

You know what those questions tell me?
if you ruled, a hellova lot more people would die by death sentences. And you need to see the Documentary on Kevin Mitnick.

So every man who killed a man, should die. Even though it was a accident..pretty harsh.

When your in for life, its life....they dont come out and kill your grandma LynX :)

How many People do you think they kill with capital punsihment a year? do you really think it would matter to not do it anymore? dont think they clear out that much space, and if they do...its a scary thought..

and, when he's in for life, when he's in his 80'ties, and you cant walk up some stairs, its time to let him out, how the hell can he kill anyone else? only thing he can do is get some last living years outside...

Do you really think the court(sp?) system is infallible, inncent people get sentenced every day.

You need to see The Shawshank Redemtion (great movie btw)

And; Do you really think this AU man deserves to die? He made a mistake, not everybody can handle pressure. Everybody deserves a second chanse.
If i ruled? Lol, its in practice in several countries already. And guess what? Incidences of murders and such crimes are more often than not much, much lower than places that don't have capital punishment.

Did i say a man who "killed by accident" should be sentenced to death? Where did i say or imply that? I said "If a perp can be confirmed to have committed a serious crime like rape or murder, beyond any reasonable doubt, with intention to harm or kill."

"If its for life, they're in for life." And you think jailbreaks are not possible? Sure, snowball's chance in hell it'll happen but the possibility is there.
Also would you pay to keep alive a man or woman who has intentionally commited a serious crime against another living person?

I have no illusion as to the infallibility of the court system, some innocent people get convicted and some perps walk. It's impossible to let every innocent walk and convict every perp without mind reading or some shit like that.
But its there, it works, and nobody else can find a better system.

Capital punishment, harsh as it may sound is the heaviest penalty a convict can get thus is not given lightly. As i said, guilty beyond reasonable doubt of a crime that carries the death penalty. No, not many get the death sentence, but it has an effect on logistics nonetheless.

That AU man knowingly and intentionally got himself involved in the drug business. Plus he was foolish enough to smuggle it into a country whose laws classify drug running as one deserving a death penalty. Intentionally, beyond any reasonable doubt.
I also believe in second chances, if you did something unintentionally like kill another person in self-defence. But not those who intentionally and willingly cause serious harm to or kill another person.
As you said, what right has he or she have to kill anyone else? The point is, capital punishment is what happens when someone intentionally violates the right of a person who deserves to live.
The deterrent message is clear: violate that right, and have yours revoked.

And if you come to think of it, would you rather spend the rest of your life living miserably in isolation in a small prison cubicle, having to watch your soap and behind and live in constant fear of assrape-ery from the other inmates and other abuse till you're senile? And only be able to meet your family a few miserable days a year? I'd rather take death than live a meaningless life in prison. At the very least you'll be remembered as someone who faced death with dignity and big cojones, like that guy in Sin City.

[schnitzel_bob]

Hey... whats the deal with fucking with my nick people....BurnHart? wtf?OMGzors!11!

Sorry, I fucked up but the edit fixed it.

[tisl]

Look, fuck this. It's simple. You live in a society with laws. You break the laws, you get killed. You don't break the laws, you don't get killed. You don't want to die? Then don't be a little law breaking prick.

[LynX]

.... i got owned by tisl. :(

But i'd amend that to "you get punished". :p

[san_pali]

why should you have to die for rape? or kidnapping? you know how easy it is for girls getting guys convicted of that, wether it happened or not? ITS just SEX, why would you have to die?

obviously your not a chick, nor do you know someone whose been raped. rape in jokes and rape in reality are two completely different things. as far as im concered, rapists should be given the worst torturous death of all


i'm with david, it ain't just sex goddamnit, you can't take something like that so lightly! :mad:

Now i wonder if any of the guys that are against capital punishment ever got somebody they love killed, raped or kidnapped. Just to know though, it's not that support capital punishment either.

And, about prison, the inmates should be reformed, have psicological assistence and such. you can't expect somebody who spent a time there, with all that crap of beating, shower raping, and such, reintegrate in society.
Prison changes peoples. For worst.
Too bad it's just an utopic solution.

[Digital Limit]

Even the catholic church, one of the most bass ackwards organisations in the world is against it.

Isn't their religion founded on capital punishment...

Bassackwards indeed.

[Yian]

I think capital punishment solves nothing. I also think that we need to invest more money into a re-education system in our prisons to help the inmates become better individuals, instead of just limiting their freedom or put them to work.

[nineball16]

i'm with david, it ain't just sex goddamnit, you can't take something like that so lightly! :mad:

Now i wonder if any of the guys that are against capital punishment ever got somebody they love killed, raped or kidnapped. Just to know though, it's not that support capital punishment either.

And, about prison, the inmates should be reformed, have psicological assistence and such. you can't expect somebody who spent a time there, with all that crap of beating, shower raping, and such, reintegrate in society.
Prison changes peoples. For worst.
Too bad it's just an utopic solution.

i agree too. some crimes have physical impact, and huge mental impact. rape is one of those things that would stick to someone for quite a while, and can cause self esteem problems especially of they were penetrated hard.

I also think suspected terrorists who havn't yet terrorised be given a better shot aswell

[RacerX]

I think capital punishment solves nothing. I also think that we need to invest more money into a re-education system in our prisons to help the inmates become better individuals, instead of just limiting their freedom or put them to work.
I'm sorry, but killing a proven killer stops that killer from ever killing again. But I'm definitely with you on making inmates work - digging ditches, cleaning road sides, and manual labor like that.

[SuperDavidGT]

Now i wonder if any of the guys that are against capital punishment ever got somebody they love killed, raped or kidnapped. Just to know though, it's not that support capital punishment either.


sadly I have, and yet despite what I said about torturous death in my last post I am still against capital punishment. i am all pro vigilante action and vendettas tho

[TopSecretBoy]

Whether capital punishment solves anything, or not. I really don't give a shit. If it deters people from murder, treason, etc etc I really don't give a shit.

What I DO give a shit about is some bitch sitting in jail for 85 years costing the tax payers 4 million dollars to keep him there. God fucking damnit.





Rope is free.

Bingo. 4 million dollars? Shit. Give that to my school. Where the walls are made of three pieces of drywall with a 1/32 sheet of aluminum drapped over them. (I shit you not.)

[farsimon]

once again the idiots and weaklings of society surfaces as those with the biggest mouths and nonsense arguments. The only problem is that the weak are always the majority, and their numbers allow them to out-vote or bluntly trample over everyting/one that oppose them.

Society/Civilisation exists because of these rules that are in place to prevent chaos. Our whole way of life exists because of orderly management of chaos and rooting out the fucktards that try to destroy civilisation.

By disobeying these rules of society YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE BENEFITS OF SOCIETY, and you deserve to be dead or banished.

An other alternative to the death penalty would be to banish these fuckers to antarctica, and give each of them just the bare minimum to survive, and regular food drops. Without technology (one of the MAIN benefits of society) they will not be able to infiltrate the civilisation again, and if they feel the need to kill/rape/abuse, then tey're welcome to their fellow banished fucktards.

If you don't want to be civilised, then live/die as an animal, you fuck!



/rant

[SuperDavidGT]

once again the idiots and weaklings of society surfaces as those with the biggest mouths and nonsense arguments. The only problem is that the weak are always the majority, and their numbers allow them to out-vote or bluntly trample over everyting/one that oppose them.


once again the biggest fuckchop in society comes forward to pretend his opinion actually matters. this is a free forum discussing our beliefs. before you go and bash us for our views on civilisation, try gaining citizinship in a country where the majority of people aren't theives and suffering from AIDS.

[farsimon]

once again the biggest fuckchop in society comes forward to pretend his opinion actually matters. this is a free forum discussing our beliefs. before you go and bash us for our views on civilisation, try gaining citizinship in a country where the majority of people aren't theives and suffering from AIDS.
I don't need to validate my opinion as this my view, dumbass - if it hurts your feelings when someone oppose you and your opinion, then run home and cry to mommy.

Why don't you start contributing with something useful, instead of just being an ass-fly to the other members around here... mkay


You should have stayed in the dark corners as you did when you started, because your superior retardedness is starting to show, and it's nasty.

[Phobo]

i like the chair

[alas alackaday]

Shudnt capital punishment really depend on the specifics of the case like every other punishment?
Im against capital punishment but beta keep it ready jst in case of an emergency for some really screwed up crime.
Also why don't more murderers say they werent of sound mind at the time? i mean they wanted to kill someone so how can that be called a normal mind state?

[Odm]

Whether capital punishment solves anything, or not. I really don't give a shit. If it deters people from murder, treason, etc etc I really don't give a shit.

What I DO give a shit about is some bitch sitting in jail for 85 years costing the tax payers 4 million dollars to keep him there. God fucking damnit.

Bingo. 4 million dollars? Shit. Give that to my school. Where the walls are made of three pieces of drywall with a 1/32 sheet of aluminum drapped over them. (I shit you not.)The studies I've seen indicate that a life sentence is far less expensive than capital punishment, so abolishing capital punishment will mean there's more money for your government to spend on your school. Well, you school or defense contracts, one of the two.

What really bugs me is when you have people who are completely innocent but still end up on death row. Like the case of a Puerto Rican guy who was convicted of murder because someone said that he'd done it, and he didn't speak English so he couldn't defend himself. He spent the next 17 years of his live on death row in Florida. So how the hell do you tell if someone's definitely guilty? Murder cases usually aren't clear-cut guilty or innocent. If they were, how do you explain all the pardons that governors hand out? Their feeling nice, and wanting to look "Weak on crime"? I doubt it.

Sure, murderers and rapists are the scum of the earth. But when you can't prove that they are, and when trying to do so results in immense costs, how can you justify killing them?

[StormyPeak]

The studies I've seen indicate that a life sentence is far less expensive than capital punishment.

This is because they take so FUCKING LONG before they kill the bastards. It's total bullshit that a guy can sit in prison for 15 years before carrying out his death sentence. The maximum time should be 2 years. If his Fucking Lawyers can't find a way to prove he's innocent in that time...then too bad - the guy's guilty, and if he's not...then perhaps this God in Heaven everyone talks about will treat him extra nice once it's over.

The above is my knee jerk reaction to the death penalty...but at the same time, I do feel that way....but on a more logical note. I do know that an innocent man can be condemned due to lazy/bad public attorney's who just don't have the time or knowledge to go that extra step and figure who really killed someone. Court politics once on a roll is hard to stop...and there have been many cases where innocent men have been accused...and another very legit suspect is found...but no one does anything because it's just to cumbersome to stop the process and go find evidence and get the real bad guy. Watch a few of those cold case file t.v. programs and you'll see it's more common than you think.

But... for the most part.. I do believe most people found guilty of murder, are indeed guilty.

I do believe in the death penalty...but only if it's carried out quickly AND... only in cases where hard cold facts show the killer really did it. To me, this would be cases such as a guy going into a McDondalds or something....shooting people and then right there on the spot throwing down his guns and surrendering. There Is No Doubt he's the killer....no one else did that crime - he didn't leave, witnesses are still there (hopefully) and perhaps he's even caught on security tape. There should be some kind of very short formality trial to sentence him to death and the sentence should be carried out immediately...like within a week. Another example would be catching a suspect, say a serial killer, and he actually takes the detectives to each and every spot where he buried a body, and give detail as to how they died. No one else could have done it....there can be no mistake...and that person should be killed within a week.

But...for some of the other 'guilty of murder' types... I know witnesses can be wrong, and I don't think anyone should be killed based on that, even video can cause for mistaken identiy. There was a bank robbing case once, and because of Very Good video imaging....they caught the 'man'...who protested for 3 years he was innocent. And it turned out he was...another bank robbery happend....the guy was caught just after leaving the bank...and he looked so much like the first guy they could have been twins....it was weird about how much they looked alike. The first man went to jail based solely upon video imaging....they found no weapons, no stolen money, nor anything else to suggest he did it....just his looks. The real robber...they found all kinds of things in his house and car and such to cement the conviction of bank robbery. In the case of murder and the punishment of death...they need more than just video imaging and witnesses....they really do need to be more than damn sure it's the right guy. Other than the 'caught red-handed' senario DNA proof is also a good way to go...but it should be combined again, with other things like witness and video, and the suspect giving provable details to the crime(s).

An innocent guy can get let out of jail if found innocent....but carrying out the death penalty is forever....and should only be done when the person is caught literally red-handed...or can personally give details to where the bodys are, and how/why he killed them. It sounds strange that someone would confess like that...but innocent people have taken credit for crimes they didn't do...sometimes voluntarily, and sometimes coherst (sp). Taking credit for it is one thing...but they should provide black and white proof they did it...and having detailed knowledge is one way to do so.

I also really don't give a rat's ass whether or not the death penalty is a deterent...or if some fucked up serial killer can be 'rehabilited'. I say just get rid of the bastards, they are useless as far as being human goes.....they don't deserve to be breathing the same air as their victim's family. It also pisses me off that those victims' families have to pay the fucking taxes that keep the murderer in while in prison fed, clothed, and given good medical and dental care, that many of the times the victim's family members can't even afford to have.

Stormy

[Killer Klown]

Hmn.
I believe in the death penalty. I believe it should be freely used when the suspect's guilt is unquestionable. Why?
Because there are too many fucking people on this fucking planet already, and seventy five percent of them aren't worth a damn. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to kill anyone for being a useless slug, so if we get the excuse to off someone for being activly against the betterment of society - I say go for it.

[SuperDavidGT]

This thread needs the death penalty

[RacerX]

I have changed my view on capital punishment:


HUGS! That's all we need. More hugs!


You kill my cat, you get a hug!

You kill my dog, you get 2 hugs!

You kill my kids, 3 hugs for you!

You kill my Mom, 4 hugs for sure!

You kill my Dad, 5 hugs you shall have!

You kill my wife and it's hugs for life!


You kill me and you get ass-raped by a 400LB, Nazi-hate group member, bi-sexual, trans-testical inmate unitl you beg for death. And then you get a hug!

[Downfall]

you all need jesus

or a swift kick in the nuts

preferably delivered by jesus

[Digital Limit]

you all need jesus

or a swift kick in the nuts

preferably delivered by jesus

Though, it'd have to be a zombie-Jesus.

[Yian]

I'm sorry, but killing a proven killer stops that killer from ever killing again. But I'm definitely with you on making inmates work - digging ditches, cleaning road sides, and manual labor like that.
That's the easy way out, yes, but that does not solve the problem at all. Capital punishment is like painkiller. It can stop the pain, but it cannot stop the disease.