Teens Shooting Up Their Highschools

[Elitez Psycho]

Damn, I read this book recently (I wonder how many of you read regularly -_-?) called "Give a Boy a Gun". It was about a high school shooting in the States, a town called Middleton or something. Yeah wtf do you all think caused the kids to go and shoot people up? A lot of people said the media (Computer games, movies) and such caused them to become homicidal and insane, others say they were just plain fucking evil. Personally I just think in most percentage of the shootings, it was caused by their environment. (Bullies, pigheaded jocks pushing them around and such.) Anyways I'm just some guy deep in contemplation. Canada here doesn't get many shootings unlike US, so why's that? We've got guns! We're exposed to Hollywood and all the violent games that circulate the States. Some say you can get a gun easier there down in the States, but if it that's the reason, then why are most of the kids who go shoot up their schools all depressed and traumatized by their life? You don't see any jocks go and shoot up their school.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

This is an issue I don't argue with anyone about, I merely tell them "the truth". This is one of the few things I'm excessively pig-headed about so... Yeah!


Environmental determinalism.

[Elitez Psycho]

This is an issue I don't argue with anyone about, I merely tell them "the truth". This is one of the few things I'm excessively pig-headed about so... Yeah!


Environmental determinalism.


As in the environment fucks up their mental state until the point of no return? Then yes I agree with you.

[BodomBeachTerror]

A person can only take so much before they are pushed to that point. I am sure most of you have been there at least once in your life. Granted I never killed anybody when that last nerve was hit but the aftermath was not pretty.

[Elitez Psycho]

lol. Nice. Personally I think these kids who do go and shoot up their schools were stretched really really thin way before. It's a build up thing, where a lot of events pile up, and sporiodically there are times when they release a little of the pressure in outbursts. So kind of like rubberbands, how you everytime you stretch and unstretch them, the next time they take less force to stretch them to that length you did before, until they can't stretch anymore and just snap. Those kids were stretched to their limit, and the last thing which pissed them off caused them to just totally snap.

[SuperDavidGT]

A person can only take so much before they are pushed to that point. I am sure most of you have been there at least once in your life. Granted I never killed anybody when that last nerve was hit but the aftermath was not pretty.

im there every other week. it's called alcohol abuse :p

but when you think about it, if those boys knew jesus, none of that shit would have happened.

it takes one hell of a mal-adjusted nut to shoot out a schoolyard, and one hell of a mal-adjusted father to fiddle his kid's doodle enough in the shower to get him to that point

[Digital Limit]

Bowling for Columbine, anyone?

[BodomBeachTerror]

Bowling for Columbine, anyone?

That would be a good reference if it weren't for the fact that dumb fat bastard Micheal Moore directed it.

[tisl]

Who gives a shit if a few asshole kids shoot up a few other asshole kids? Oh how fucking tragic. Look at Africa first.

But I think it happens in the US more because people are bigger pussies there. They can't reason that bullying is just stupid shit that goes on in school, and that it's not that big of a deal. They have to get all emotional about it and shoot up their school. Bullying is very easy to deal with, it's not "emotional trauma" or whatever the hell they're calling it. Either you fight back, or you take it. You aren't getting fisted and peed on. It's just a few jerks that are pushing you around, beating you up, and embarassing you in front of that cute chick you like. How long are you going to be in there? Four or five years. It's not a big deal, and I think that's the problem with American kids. They don't realise that it's not that big of a deal.

[BodomBeachTerror]

Who gives a shit if a few asshole kids shoot up a few other asshole kids? Oh how fucking tragic. Look at Africa first.

But I think it happens in the US more because people are bigger pussies there. They can't reason that bullying is just stupid shit that goes on in school, and that it's not that big of a deal. They have to get all emotional about it and shoot up their school. Bullying is very easy to deal with, it's not "emotional trauma" or whatever the hell they're calling it. Either you fight back, or you take it. You aren't getting fisted and peed on. It's just a few jerks that are pushing you around, beating you up, and embarassing you in front of that cute chick you like. How long are you going to be in there? Four or five years. It's not a big deal, and I think that's the problem with American kids. They don't realise that it's not that big of a deal.


Exactly, and it's all these positive parents too. That raise their children and tell them they are the best at everything and all this positivity bullshit and they shelter them from the real world. My parents raised me up and told me I am worthless and everybody is cooler than me, and no matter how good I think I am somebody is better and the world is an ugly place that will rape you in the ass if you don't watch it. So my highschool years were fine because I didn't rub my nuts in anybody's face I was just a laidbacked guy that didn't give a shit and I got along with everybody. I didn't act like a douchebag either like the sheltered kids and the kids that thought they were cool and all the teeny bopper fad followers. I am glad I had the parents I did, I have a bachelors degee in computer technology and I work a good job right now and I have respect and dicipline.

[Elitez Psycho]

Who gives a shit if a few asshole kids shoot up a few other asshole kids? Oh how fucking tragic. Look at Africa first.

But I think it happens in the US more because people are bigger pussies there. They can't reason that bullying is just stupid shit that goes on in school, and that it's not that big of a deal. They have to get all emotional about it and shoot up their school. Bullying is very easy to deal with, it's not "emotional trauma" or whatever the hell they're calling it. Either you fight back, or you take it. You aren't getting fisted and peed on. It's just a few jerks that are pushing you around, beating you up, and embarassing you in front of that cute chick you like. How long are you going to be in there? Four or five years. It's not a big deal, and I think that's the problem with American kids. They don't realise that it's not that big of a deal.


Yes indeed, the harrasment meant nothing at all. Ever heard of stuff like swirlies, or chocolate swirlies? (Swirlies Or how about public humiliation? Or getting the shit beat out of you every second day and getting pissed on after you have your nose broken and given two black eyes? (Sarcasm meant)

I'm not saying this kinda shit happened to me, but I've read numerous instances where this happened. Hell, in my school with a pop. of 525 I see this little wierd kid everyday in the halls or in the bathrooms (we've got 2 boy's washrooms for the whole school), always got his nose in a book, after he takes a piss he doens't wash his hands, and lunch times he sits by himself playing Halo on his laptop. He's got a bad attitude too. I look at him sometimes and I go "Fuck man, if that kid was in another high school else where, maybe in the States, he'd have his head shoved into a toilet everyday, have his glasses smashed up so many times." But no one ever bugs him, everyone here just leaves everyone else the fuck alone. Why don't people do that in the States? Why do you have to go out of your way to go make life shitty for others?

Hell, bullying isn't easy to deal with, when you're getting your ass kicked every second day, and it isn't just being shoved into the lockers once in a while its being pounded on by 4 or 5 guys two or three times bigger then you on the football team. It could be true that the kids are taking it really hard, but they don't know how else to take it, and there's no one else to help them out either. They can't fucking fight back, cause they'll just get their asses beat even harder, and they can't take it because they're getting injured, and their self-esteem and ego is being grinded under the bully's heel. Tell me how the fuck you'd take that.

[Elitez Psycho]

im there every other week. it's called alcohol abuse :p

but when you think about it, if those boys knew jesus, none of that shit would have happened.

it takes one hell of a mal-adjusted nut to shoot out a schoolyard, and one hell of a mal-adjusted father to fiddle his kid's doodle enough in the shower to get him to that point


Actually it's hardly ever parental abuse which gets some kid to that point and shoot up their schoolyard, yes they're mentally fucked up, but their environment fucked them up. They're just fucking teenagers man... how the fuck else are they supposed to deal with it? Not enough experience, and no one has the time to tell them how to fucking deal with it. I doubt knowing Jesus would help at all because they'd might just think "WHAT THE FUCK IS GOD DOING?!?!? LETTING THOSE ASSHOLES BEATING ON ME ALL THE TIME? FUCK YOU GOD!!! YOU'RE FUCKING USELESS!!!" I hope you see what I mean. They probably won't know enough to know that God won't strike their bullies with a bolt of lighting or whatever so yeah.

[King Speedy]

Hell, if you think that's something, you obviously didn't hear about the 8-year-old over here near DC who brought a handgun to his day-care center and shot a 7-year-old girl in the arm. Both he and his father are being charged.

[Elitez Psycho]

Hell, if you think that's something, you obviously didn't hear about the 8-year-old over here near DC who brought a handgun to his day-care center and shot a 7-year-old girl in the arm. Both he and his father are being charged.

Hmm... I guess I'll add that to the topic thing as well. In most cases teens and little kids who go shoot up their schools have much more different mindsets. Teens are influenced by their school surrounding and choose to go shoot up thier school and suiciding after because they see suicide as the only way to stop the pain and they want to make the people who made them suffer suffer as well. Whereas little kids who go and shoot some other little kid is entirely different. It could be the media, the games they play, or neglect by their irresponsible parents and unsafe firearms lying around the house. Little kids are naturally curious so they'd try shit out that they see on tv or in games they've played. They see a gun and they'll be like "WOW!!! COOL!!!" and probably bring it to school to show off and mayb fire it at someone they don't like. They don't understand the meaning of death and such, so they naturally think its ok to do that. That's where parent's responsiblity to come in and tell them why guns are dangerous and so on. Two completely different scenarios.

[halomizer]

this is why canada rules, canadian kids never go shooting up their schools.

[Digital Limit]

Canada FTW!

[SuperDavidGT]

Actually it's hardly ever parental abuse which gets some kid to that point and shoot up their schoolyard

says who? the media? why would they ever want to report on that when they can blame videogames and marilyn manson? either option is psychologically viable, much more so the former, but people cant think yanks are all kiddy fiddlers, can they? why, if they did that, michael jackson wouldnt seem so big anymore, would he?

[Elitez Psycho]

Ok fine, give me one goddamn example where it was parental molestion of their kid causing their kid to go and shoot up their school. If you can give me one fucking example then I'll stfu. :D The media is fucking retarded, yeah I know what you're saying when they blamed it on MM, and video games and shit. The music part is total bullshit, no music would want to make some kid want to shoot up anyone. Personal belief is that music actually tones down the anger and shit that a kid's feeling and helps with their emotional conflict because music has the ability to block everything out, as well as it can relate to what someone's feeling. It's total fucking retards that don't know what the fuck they're doing or saying that's saying music fucked the kids up. It's other kids fucking the kids up.

By the way, parental molestion in most cases doesn't turn out homicidal, trigger happy people, they might turn out more pedophiles, or just tramautized people, but there's no motivation to kill anyone, unless its killing their own parents.

[Elitez Psycho]

Also, on a side note, Canada's had a couple of shootings, but its nothing compared to the States. I read that in Ontario like 10 or 15 years ago some kid shot his two counsellers cause he wasn't happy with his grades. Now that kid's got issues, or his parents have got fucking issues. Whereas in the States a large number of shootings are normal kids gone insane from the treatment of other kids.

[Silence]

A person can only take so much before they are pushed to that point. I am sure most of you have been there at least once in your life.
thats probably true, bullies and such help with that alot.

in school i was this short nerdy kid who got picked on alot... so just one day after school i was picked on by the school bully guy... and something in me snapped and i broke the kids nose, and gave him alot of nice bruises on hes face (dislocated and hurt some of my own fingers also)... and after that day in the 7thgrade, i was respected throughout the school and everyone was suddenly a good friend of mine(even the bully, we actually were really good frends after that day)... :confused: (i guess i must be thankful for the much hard "farm work" i had to do as a kid everyday to be able to beat the fcker up)

but on topic, i must say im REALLY REALLY REALLLLLYYY happy that my small country doesnt have so much guns. (their not legal also so that helps)

[SuperDavidGT]

you cant tell me parental abuse doesnt ruin a child. child psychology formula:

parental abuse + child with dominant personality = bully -----> bully takes it out on other kids

parental abuse + child with passive personality = potential psycho -------> passive aggressive kid deemed weak, prey for the bully


its the laws of passive aggression. there are the kids that take shit at school, then there are the kids who cop shit from home. on their own, its very rare that either case on its own is going to be enough to compel a kid to pick up a gun and point it another. it takes both to push a child to the point of catharsis. whereas a bully can take it out on others, potential psychos cant - theyre at the heel of everyone else, they dont have the balls to take it out on someone their own size, and often resort to pigsticking small animals and playing with firearms. the anger builds up inside them, and suddenly it comes out, and fat fuckheads like michael moore have something to do with their lives.

further: there is nothing more damaging to a child's mind than a fucked up parent. any form of parental abuse scars permanently, oftentimes not to an outwardly visible degree, but occasionally, such as in the instance of molestation, it does occur, and with dire consequences.

[TopSecretBoy]

Also, on a side note, Canada's had a couple of shootings, but its nothing compared to the States. I read that in Ontario like 10 or 15 years ago some kid shot his two counsellers cause he wasn't happy with his grades. Now that kid's got issues, or his parents have got fucking issues. Whereas in the States a large number of shootings are normal kids gone insane from the treatment of other kids.

I believe this can be easily explained by:

1. That America has just a few more people than Canadia.
2. Handguns aren't legal in Canadia.

[Zolneirz]

Why not shoot up the school? How many people did the mentally unstable kids shoot? Violence has always been at the core of human nature, and unless we turn into the borg, it'll stay that way. A person gets bored of being on the recieving end pretty quick without any strikebacks. This douche at my school always pretended he was better, didn't share the lounge softa etc, put his backpack in wierd places and bitched when we moved it, it took about three weeks until someone punched his face in. The shootings are just on a larger scale. Assholes get what assholes give, sure kicking someone in the ass every day might not seem like a big thing, but add it together and you've got 5 years of ass kicking stored up, your life isn't going anywhere, shoot the mother fucker. I bet they all felt pretty good for awhile, and if thats what it takes, shooting the next Jake Johns whos got it all going on, I feel good for them.

And no im not a sheltered fuck, my dads off in china being a whore and my mothers dirt poor. I feel like hitting that douche at my school every day, and I might sometime when no ones looking. Find me one fucking person who can take a lifetime of shit and feel good about it (and please no druggies, paid hoes etc.) and i'll give you my computer (no, not really. you don't want my 1.2 ghz amd.)

[SuperDavidGT]

And no im not a sheltered fuck, my dads off in china being a whore and my mothers dirt poor. I feel like hitting that douche at my school every day, and I might sometime when no ones looking. Find me one fucking person who can take a lifetime of shit and feel good about it (and please no druggies, paid hoes etc.) and i'll give you my computer (no, not really. you don't want my 1.2 ghz amd.)

EXHIBIT A

the psycho proved my point... to an extent

[halomizer]

I could see a shooting in the school district where elite lives. not to be racist but there are a lot of crazy fucking asians there.

[Elitez Psycho]

you cant tell me parental abuse doesnt ruin a child. child psychology formula:

parental abuse + child with dominant personality = bully -----> bully takes it out on other kids

parental abuse + child with passive personality = potential psycho -------> passive aggressive kid deemed weak, prey for the bully


its the laws of passive aggression. there are the kids that take shit at school, then there are the kids who cop shit from home. on their own, its very rare that either case on its own is going to be enough to compel a kid to pick up a gun and point it another. it takes both to push a child to the point of catharsis. whereas a bully can take it out on others, potential psychos cant - theyre at the heel of everyone else, they dont have the balls to take it out on someone their own size, and often resort to pigsticking small animals and playing with firearms. the anger builds up inside them, and suddenly it comes out, and fat fuckheads like michael moore have something to do with their lives.

further: there is nothing more damaging to a child's mind than a fucked up parent. any form of parental abuse scars permanently, oftentimes not to an outwardly visible degree, but occasionally, such as in the instance of molestation, it does occur, and with dire consequences.

Hmm... Ok I'll admit that I didn't think about it that way, but yes, you're arguement is valid, and in numerous cases, it is very very true. I was more thinking along the lines of cocky jocks full of themselves pushing around emo kids. (This is a huge generalization and I hope you noticed it). Yes there's alot of other different cases. TY for pointing that out.

[Elitez Psycho]

I could see a shooting in the school district where elite lives. not to be racist but there are a lot of crazy fucking asians there.

Actually I've never heard of an Asian shooting up his/her school in NA, possibly in Asia, where 99% of the population is Asian, but yeah. For the record, I checked around, and there doesn't seem to be any history of a school shooting here in Vancity. Only in Ontario, more specifically Toronto, is where kids go nuts and shoot up their school.

[SuperDavidGT]

actually, i wasn't never considered the "cocky jock" stereotype... still, i would imagine the "i'm better than you" people pushing the "i suck" people around wouldnt have anything to do with the "i suck" people's parents abusing them.

then again, arent cocky jocks usually the ones with obsessive/fuckedup parents who can't raise their child properly, or try to live the lives they didnt have through their offspring?

to be honest, i dont think bad parenting is classed as abuse, but it damn well should be!

[Elitez Psycho]

to be honest, i dont think bad parenting is classed as abuse, but it damn well should be!


Damn straight... Damn straight...

[Mechanerd]

people = stupid
guns = death
people + guns = stupid death

[Odm]

Actually I've never heard of an Asian shooting up his/her school in NA, possibly in Asia, where 99% of the population is Asian, but yeah. For the record, I checked around, and there doesn't seem to be any history of a school shooting here in Vancity. Only in Ontario, more specifically Toronto, is where kids go nuts and shoot up their school.There was also one in Ottawa a while back, specifically Orleans. So Toronto's not the only city where this can happen, just the most violent. That being said, I haven't got anything to contribute to the topic since it's not something I can relate to.

[Digital Limit]

Maybe you need to take the derivative...

[Odm]

Maybe you need to take the derivative...
What? I'm taking calculus and I don't get that joke.

[Downfall]

were all fucked up

[Yian]

My gf's roommate teaches in a high school and a few weeks ago she was telling us this story about a girl having a gun in her locker. Well, no one actually found anything in her locker when they searched it, but she was quite a fucked up kid, according to her, so she needed some kind of help anyway. She doesn't have any friends, and the kids at school always tease her, which might explain why she is always depressed. What makes my gf's roommate nervous is the fact that she was the one that took it to the administrative office, even though she wasn't the one that saw the gun
(she had to do this to protect the witness), so now the fucked up kid might direct her anger towards her.

Well, kids love to make fun at weirdo all the time, and more often than not they WANT to hurt that person emotionally. When things finally get out of hands and the victim jut had enough of it, they all start crying like it was never their intention to do any harm to anyone, like a bunch of sissies. Sometimes I feel they are the real cause of the problem, and they just walk away with it and create more problems in the future when they grow up and step into the society.

Nevertheless, a gun is never a solution.

[xenophage]

But the bullet is

[Elitez Psycho]

Holy crap, its Dawn of the Dead Thread! I thought this died a long long time ago. I can't remember if I've stated this before and I'm too lazy to check, but people who are suicidal aren't looking for death, it's their last resort. Well... from their point of view anyways. They're looking for a way out, not to die. In a sense a gun, a knife, a noose made from a rope, a jump off a bridge, they are solutions for that person. Not the type of solution but still one for them.