Is there a god?

[aleincaveman]

I'm 42 and I have had some very spiritual expierances. I've read and understood the bible from cover to cover. I have learned alot of things from it. And I believe in what alot of it says.
But I don't believe in god anymore. I'm a avide reader. Of almost anything. Except romace storys.
I'm not saying that I'm smarter then anyone. But I believe that I've probably read more then some people thats got collage degree's. Believe me I sometimes act like a dumb ass but I'm above average intellagence. Except in grammer and spelling.
But I don't believe that there is a god. And I'll explain why as this thread grows.
But I ask that we'll all keep this respectful to eachother. And see that we all have differant point of views.
I do believe this well be interesting though.
:D Let this thread began! :D :D
I want to read all the replies that you'll all share about this. If u don't believe in god? Then why? And if u do, why?
Anyway this goes it's well be a deep, but intersting thread.

[Freakonaleash89]

I definately believe in God. I don't see how the earth could really be created and all the animals and people and things could be created without one. Even though I am not a moral person at all I recognize the truth of the word of God. I understand that there are many versions of the Bible but I really believe there is only one version that is really right. I believe in predestination where you are picked to either burn in hell or go to heaven before the earth was even created. I know the chances are the way I live my life I will go to hell, but for some reason I'm still not a Christian.

I also am of above average intelligence and am in the top 1% in the nation even though I act like a dumbass sometimes(no really I must be the stupidest person in the top 1% that ever lived lol). These are just my thoughts if anyone has any questions as to why I believe what I do then go ahead and ask.

[Yian]

alein, can you share some of your thought swith us, as why you think God doesn't exist?

I just hope your reason isn't as complex as mine. And, well, I think God exists, yet God doesn't... It is not as hard as it sound, yet not as easy either...

But I think God is good for human's existence. There are many religions in this world that believes in one suprme ruler of this world, or even this universe....

[cr3am]

I don't believe that anything is watching us or judging us.

I believe in that big bang theory thing, but i have some doubts. Where did that pinpoint of mass come from?

I absolutely, 100% believe in evolution. But i have some doubts. Where did the simplest bacteria come from?

I don't think anything is going to send us to "heaven" or "hell" when we die, hell, i don't think anything happens to us when we die. What i believe happens when we die, is that we go into the first person view of someone else just born. We don't have souls, or anything, we just simply switch brains.

[aleincaveman]

We only see certain frequincies of light. We only hear certain freqs. of sound. And we don't precieve hardly any of the universe around us.

[aleincaveman]

Plants are a lifeform. But as we all have seen thier fruit ruts and turns 2 dust. Do u think that plants have souls?

[Yian]

and expand alein's thought I must: We can't possibly know anything that is not in our senses, unless with the help of other devices...

And yet, what are our senses? We smell, we see, we hear, we fell through our skin, and we taste...
these things, well, aren't real. These things are the production of the particles and substance react with our organs, and our brain tells us what it is...

Let's put it this way: who sees the right color? the color blind person, or the one with normal vision? Normal vision means there a lot more people see things that way, but you can't really say color-blind sees the wrong color... they just see them differently. This is all up to the eyes of the beholders, because there isn't anything call color. Colors don't exist. We exist, and our brain tells us "hey dude look at these pretty colors...!"

And these ideas might help us define the word 'existence", for better or worse. Do things have to "be there" for them to exist? Or do things exist simply because "we can feel it?" Which one of these two are more important, or are these two the same thing after all...???

[cr3am]

and how do we know we're all seeing the same colors?

I call the sun yellow, but i might actually be seeing what you think is blue.

[cr3am]

future man, stop trying to ruin this thread

[Yian]

oh, did he do something weird?

[cr3am]

it are gone

[Magical Fruit]

I think that there is a god. My idea of god is probably from a more deist approach. I am what you would call a "christian" but I am not really. I believe that there is a god because when I take a step back and just look at things that there must be. I mean for the world to be the bad and the good that it is there mist be something more. Yes we have war, yes kill each other. But we have to look at all the great things that happen everyday. Look at the things that people are able to create. Have you ever heard a song that made you want to cry? Have you ever seen some artwork that stirred something inside you? I think that this is more than stimulus to our senses. I think that there must be a reason for people to be on this earth. If there wasn't a reason I would say that perhaps there is no god. I just think that there is something special about people, and that we have a purpose.

Some other points I am thinking about:
Yes Cr3am where did that simple bacteria come from? Where did that pin point of mass come from? Do you believe in evolution or natural selection? I don't think that we will ever be able to answer these questions of where it came from.

I don't think that god really has to "judge" us, don't we know what is already in out hearts? I know that I have done bad things and good things. I don't think that we have to wait for god to pass judgment when we can do it ourselves.

Ok now for some more Guinness.

[future man]

Deleting that first one was fucked up, you damn nazi.

[Smapdey]

I'm sort of skipping over everything you guys have said to voice my own opinion, I read something about pinpoints of mass in the big bang theory and I can talk at you for an hour to full explain every little theory but it's late. I'll write my full explanation of God and Science tomorrow. See you all then.

[AVataRR]

Of course God exists!

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[portzebie]

Originally posted by AVataRR
Of course God exists!

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I C that explains it then close this thread we have a answer
just j/king

[sushi128]

of course there's a god. he resides in the 4th spatial dimension. lots of gods around there though, just there's only one that's bored enough to make our lives miserable.

[fatBastard();]

Nothing in the entire history of man has been the cause of so much sorrow, hardship, killing, bestiality and downright evil as religion.

Be it the crusades, the genocide of Aztecs and Incas, the witch hunts, the destruction of cultures all around the world by the so-called missionaries, or the countless wars more or less started because of religious differences ... all were done in the name of god.

Every single religion, from the primitive eskimo or Aztec beliefs to islam or buddhism or christianity, are based on the EXACT same basic questions: "Where do we come from?", "Why are we here?" and "What happens when we die?". All of these are the fundamental questions that we have never been able to answer as clearly as for example: "What does the colour Red look like?" ... "Like this".

Religion is the biggest crutch ever created. When something bad happens to you, like the death of somebody close to you, the most common question is: "Why?". "Why did my little boy get run over by the drunken driver?". "Why did my spouse die of a brain hemorrhage?". "Why did I get cancer?" etc etc etc. The truthful answer is: "There is NO reason for it. It just happened.".

However, it is much easier for most people to accept something as terrible as the death of a child, husband, wife, mother, father, etc happend for a reason and then the sentence I hate more than anything is brought forth ... "God works in mysterious ways". Bullshit, it wasn't God that got sodding drunk, crashed into your loved one and then fled the scene leaving your loved one to bleed to death. No, it was that prick sitting over there.

With the knowledge we have today, we should at the very least be wise enough to know that there is still a LOT of things we don't know yet, but at the same time, the knowledge the human race has acquired about DNA and the human body, should also make us realize that it is an intricate network of many different influences (e.g. the air you breathe, the food you eat, your genes, your age, your sex, etc etc etc) that causes a person to get cancer and NOT because "God works in mysterious ways".

Another thing is the importance most people put into religious texts like the Bible. They are more willing to believe the words of some unknown author, written 2000 years ago and filled with translation errors (the Bible was originally written in hebrew, I believe, and translated into latin until much later), than a proof that they can see with their own eyes in many natural history museums: Dinosaur skeletons or neanderthal skulls etc.

The best part is when I hear people quoting the Bible as being "The Ultimate Truth" in written form. This is from the book that says that God created the world in 6 days and took a breather on the seventh ... okay, sure, whatever you say.
The book that says that Adam & Eve was the first 2 human beings and when they were thrown out of the garden of Eden they got kids and then the oldest went out into the world and got married ... Erm, I thought his mother and father and siblings were the only human beings, so whom or what DID he marry?

I could go on like this for a long time but it should be quite clear by now that I do NOT believe in God and if I was ever elected to be the supreme ruler of this world, one of my first acts would be to ban all religion, effective immediately. While I CAN understand the grieving person's attempt to make sense of a personal tragedy, I can't help but feel pity for that person if said "sense" comes in the words of "God works in mysterious ways".

[RAY16]

John Carmack is (a programming) God.

[AVataRR]

Originally posted by fatBastard();
Nothing in the entire history of man has been the cause of so much sorrow, hardship, killing, bestiality and downright evil as religion.

Be it the crusades, the genocide of Aztecs and Incas, the witch hunts, the destruction of cultures all around the world by the so-called missionaries, or the countless wars more or less started because of religious differences ... all were done in the name of god.

Every single religion, from the primitive eskimo or Aztec beliefs to islam or buddhism or christianity, are based on the EXACT same basic questions: "Where do we come from?", "Why are we here?" and "What happens when we die?". All of these are the fundamental questions that we have never been able to answer as clearly as for example: "What does the colour Red look like?" ... "Like this".

Religion is the biggest crutch ever created. When something bad happens to you, like the death of somebody close to you, the most common question is: "Why?". "Why did my little boy get run over by the drunken driver?". "Why did my spouse die of a brain hemorrhage?". "Why did I get cancer?" etc etc etc. The truthful answer is: "There is NO reason for it. It just happened.".

However, it is much easier for most people to accept something as terrible as the death of a child, husband, wife, mother, father, etc happend for a reason and then the sentence I hate more than anything is brought forth ... "God works in mysterious ways". Bullshit, it wasn't God that got sodding drunk, crashed into your loved one and then fled the scene leaving your loved one to bleed to death. No, it was that prick sitting over there.

With the knowledge we have today, we should at the very least be wise enough to know that there is still a LOT of things we don't know yet, but at the same time, the knowledge the human race has acquired about DNA and the human body, should also make us realize that it is an intricate network of many different influences (e.g. the air you breathe, the food you eat, your genes, your age, your sex, etc etc etc) that causes a person to get cancer and NOT because "God works in mysterious ways".

Another thing is the importance most people put into religious texts like the Bible. They are more willing to believe the words of some unknown author, written 2000 years ago and filled with translation errors (the Bible was originally written in hebrew, I believe, and translated into latin until much later), than a proof that they can see with their own eyes in many natural history museums: Dinosaur skeletons or neanderthal skulls etc.

The best part is when I hear people quoting the Bible as being "The Ultimate Truth" in written form. This is from the book that says that God created the world in 6 days and took a breather on the seventh ... okay, sure, whatever you say.
The book that says that Adam & Eve was the first 2 human beings and when they were thrown out of the garden of Eden they got kids and then the oldest went out into the world and got married ... Erm, I thought his mother and father and siblings were the only human beings, so whom or what DID he marry?

I could go on like this for a long time but it should be quite clear by now that I do NOT believe in God and if I was ever elected to be the supreme ruler of this world, one of my first acts would be to ban all religion, effective immediately. While I CAN understand the grieving person's attempt to make sense of a personal tragedy, I can't help but feel pity for that person if said "sense" comes in the words of "God works in mysterious ways".

Hehe, I agree with everything you said up until the ban religion part. Banning religion will lead it to the underground, and it'll come back meanier, more radical than it has ever been. I think the key to getting people to think more independently is education. Then even after people have been given the facts, it is their choice what they want to belive. No one has the right to force anything on anyone.

[ash933]

No. I don't think a God exists.

I will not do so until it stands before me and gives me reason to believe in it.

[cr3am]

fatbastard, EVERYTHING you said was exactly right until Ban Religion.

AVataRR's right, it would come back meaner than before, but you need to educate. If i didn't know about evolution and shit, i would prolly believe in god.

[SaintDL]

i have doubts
i think that gods, yes gods, and GOD exists
let me explain myself
now the thing is why are we here? we must be here because of someone or something. nothing exist there just all along. if it exist, how did it exist? how it come about? the thing that led to me think that there are gods who made us is this. but who made the gods? certainly it all became from one soucre, the almighty.

but look around you. what hath became of this once beautiful world? it is in ruins. therefore i must say that GOD hath already abandoned us. according to the bible, he must have abandon us when we got prideful and arrogant, too confident with our own abilities. which is what happen to lucifer. now i'm no christian. and i aint gonna become one. but the fact is there should be something who made us. but what is life? now that brings us deeper. supposed GOD did not have a soul and his creations like us dont have it too? SUpposed GOD die like we do?

Yian is right, i too have been thinking about that for sometime. we think because of some chemicals in our head if we hit a pole, smack our head against someting all the things we came to know so far may well as been erased like a broken harddisk. I love that girl, but when i die is my emotions still real? is what i am feeling so deeply in real? are the things i done in my life so far real? what is real? what is soul? from what i learned so far soul is a misconception which is a work of chemicals in our brain. so i believe in something, is what i believe real? i mean so many doubts. the religions all have similar points, which must be a hint that something, someone, once great enough to be GOD once exist. but suuposed the science is true. he hath no soul. and us, his creation shall die into nothingness as he have become...

[cr3am]

yeah...

but when nothing was here, how did god get here? Btw, even if god exists, how does he make something out of nothing? It's impossible, we've already figured that out. And if god is everywhere, how come he doesn't show up in any spectrum of light? He's everywhere, but he's nowhere at the same time? Okay... yeah...

also, if god exists, why would he make a pinprick of mass, just so that it can explode? And why would he put a one-celled animal there, so that it evolves to humans? Why not just stick everything where it is, and stick living things here?

And are we as humans really so ignorant as to think that if one supreme being spent all his time on ONE planet? I have no doubt there is life elsewhere, and i know for damn sure that God didn't create it. If there was a god, the bible which "God" wrote says nothing about it. God didn't create it, so how is it there? The same way earth's life is here, i just don't know how yet.

[fatBastard();]

Originally posted by AVaTaRR
Hehe, I agree with everything you said up until the ban religion part.

Well, if the world population is stupid enough to elect ME to be their supreme ruler, then they deserve to be screwed over :D

I DO wish that we, the human race, could dispose of religion and move on, but I agree that the choice to reject the idea of some omnipotent being watching over us (but doing absolutely nothing to justify our faith) should be made willingly and because each individual "believes" it's the right thing to do ... not by force and certainly not by banning religion (it was just a joke, since I really don't expect to become the world leader any time soon ;) ).

[Yian]

fatBastard's posts about religion focused solely on the negative side of religion, and banning religion is obviously not gonna improve anything either, because the problem is people, not the religion.

Take crusade as an example, Jesus never said such thing. The pope of that time said so, and the people chose to follow the lead. Their religion was damn straight; it's their beliefs were screwed up. Everyone had a bible in their hand, just how they read it make things better or worse.

This is a very general idea: everything has both good and bad sides. If we wipe off something because it causes some problems, none of us should be typing here because internet has caused just enough problems in today's society, I think... kitty porn, server hackers, illegal arm trades, addictiveness in online gaming that causes deaths, hate literature, anti-christs.... should we ban the internet?

Religion might be something that caused all the troubles in the largest scale people could possibly imagine, but it also demonstrates how powerful it is. We can build nuclear plants to power millions of houses and factories, ot build a nuclear bomb to kill millions of people. But is nuclear power evil? No, it's the people, not the nuclear power.

We should think of ways to use this great power of religion to turn this world into a better place, not just get rid off it. Religion wasn't invented by someone overnight, but a concept agreed by countless people in many different regions, and it evolved its forms through centuries. It is really not wise to overthrow such concept without thinking through carefully, for none of us here could possibly say that we are smarter than the accumulation of the wisdoms of generations.

[Chimera[NL]]

I personally DON' T think God(s) exists. But I sure as hell would want some sort of heaven waiting for me when I die. Kinda hypocrite thing to say but that's just the way I live. I do alot of thinks the church thinks is bad but I don't care, I wanna live my life the way I want to live it. And when the day comes that I will either go to hell or heaven I can only hope they will send me to heaven. All of this is offcourse IF there will be a selection, done by God. I myself am a believer of evolution and the big bang. NO WAY that some guy is floating above us watching us, judging us. WHY THE HELL WOULD HE? Why the fuck should he care?
Nope people, Chimera thinks the answers can be found in science, not religion.

[Downfall]

I believe that some sort of higher power exists...I am Catholic but I would not say that i am a practicing cathiloc. I believe in evolution and the big bang theory. and i also believe in creationalism a little bit. Whatever higher power there may be created the first bacteria and created the first pinpoint of energy and let things go from there. I do agree with fatBastard that the bible is a crutch....but it is a neccesary crutch.

[fatBastard();]

Originally posted by Yian
fatBastard's posts about religion focused solely on the negative side of religion...
True, but that is mainly because I can't find any positive aspects of religion. What religion basically does, is to provide supposedly "divine" answers to the unanswerabe questions. By accepting these claims as "The Ultimate Truth" without question, you are grasping the crutch firmly with both hands and prepare yourself to limp for the rest of your life.

I know this sounds harsh, but without at least a small amount of skepticism, it would be just as viable for me to claim to be the second coming of christ and that from now on your only purpose in life is to please me (sexually if you are female and monetary if you are male). Now, I'm most certainly NOT the second coming of christ and I'm sure I didn't fool any of you. Why didn't you believe me? because you doubted my claims and used your brain.

If you can so easily discard me being a omnipotent being, even though I at least have proven to you that I exist, why can't you do the same for established religions? If enough people tell you the same lie, does it become the truth?

Originally posted by Yian
Take crusade as an example, Jesus never said such thing. The pope of that time said so, and the people chose to follow the lead. Their religion was damn straight; it's their beliefs were screwed up.
Yes well, that's the core of the whole problem right there. Religion is like Communism: Both are great in theory, but neither can ever work in the real world because of the one unknown factor ... the human being.

Originally posted by Yian
Religion wasn't invented by someone overnight, but a concept agreed by countless people in many different regions, and it evolved its forms through centuries.
No it most certainly didn't evolve. If only it HAD evolved there would be no need for this discussion. Even though Martin Luther and the Reformation split the Christian faith in twain both protestantism and catholicism follow the same guidelines and more importantly: both are based on the Bible. As far as I know, the Bible hasn't been revised at all (unless you count translation errors as revisisions) and that means the most widely spread religion in the world is based on a 2000 years old book. How does that imply evolution? (the exact same thing is the case with Islam and the Qur'an except that the Qur'an is "only" 1300-1400 years old).

I'll be the first to acknowledge (well, obviously Yian did it before me, but you know what I mean ;) ) that religious texts like the Bible is not just some hastily written words. I'm an agnostic in polite company and an atheist at all other times (like now), but that doesn't change the fact that most of my beliefs in what's right and what's wrong comes more or less directly from the Bible. Just because a set of values comes from religious texts, doesn't mean that they should automatically be ignored. Whom here, for instance, doesn't agree that it is wrong to kill another person? I also find the seven cardinal sins to be spot on. Then again, the religious texts wasn't written by complete morons or nobody would ever have read them.

I'm old enough to remember a time without computers, without VCRs and where TV was only in Black & White, only could recieve one or two channels and only showed a few hours of programmes each day. I can remember when MC (Music Cassette) players was state of the art. I can remember seeing the first movie ever to use computer generated effects, Tron ... and yet, I'm only just turned 30. With all that has happened in the world just within the last 30 years, I don't understand how anybody can build their life around the words of a 2000 years old book. Let's just take to heart what wisdom that CAN be had from these books and then move on.

[Yian]

picking the words from fatbastard's post and do another debate is just gonna start another endless strings of postings, so lets' take a break...

[Yian]

...and now we talk about something else. What would this world be like if it is without religion? Let's assume that fatbastard is actually right, religion is no longer good for us, let's imagine a world without it then...

What would this world be like... without religions...?

Not just Chritianity, but Islam, Buddism, Taoism, and all the others... Let's remove them all. What would this world be like?

Any thougths?

[RAY16]

Allow me to inject this post with a little stupidity:

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[cr3am]

Tell me, if there is a God, why would he control someone else into writing the Bible, and then put false information?

Edit:
and Yian, even if the world becomes "bad" without religions, that's no reason to rely on them.

[Yian]

emmm.... that makes sense, too.

[AVataRR]

I don't think its possible to have a world without some form of religion. Spirituality is a very imporant part of our humanity. Without it, we'd be like a race of intelligent robots without personalities. What must be understood though, is that religion is a man made thing and it wasn't set down from the heavens in some divine maner. Nothing is set in stone and sprituality is a continuous personal exploration kind of thing thing.

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[aphremen]

This is true. What's freaky to me is if there is no God, how in the heck did Moses free his peeps?! Did he get all up in Ramses' bidnezz? Did he pull a drive by? IIRC most of the Old Testament was written down by Charlton Heston...I mean Moses. Maybe he heard voices or something along those lines.

Avatarr: Facsinating, what is this "Spirituality" you speak of? It seems most illogical.

There are positive points about religion, but also negative as fatbastard stated. One annoying point is that some religions claim the world will end in some fantastic manner if thier God is angry enough so when there is a war in the middle east I have to hear from every Christian that we are living in the End Times and blah blah blah. Maybe you are living in the End Times, but I'm not.

[aleincaveman]

Religion has had it's place in our history,if u think about it,we could'nt be where we are today without it. It brought law to a lawless world. And without it we could'nt even have civalization, Not anything near what we have today.
It not only teaches us right, and wrong. But it teaches us about ourselves as humanbeings. The bible is full of meny differant kinds of wisdom. For instance if u really consintrate,and believe in something u can really make it happen. And I've seen and had some remarkable things happen in church. I've even expieranced some of them also. Prayer really is a powerful force. It's a way that we can focus our brains so that our mental energy effects things around us. Especially if 2 ppl prey together
they can really do these things. Like healing others 4instance.But in religion they believe that it is god who works through them. But I believe that it's just they themselves that do those things. Kind of like putting 2 batterys in parallel u get more power,hence the saying that 2 brains are better then 1 could be applied to that also.A form of ESP maybe.
But at the same time there is alot that is just not true in the bible. Creation 4 instance. I don't believe in it. I believe in evolution.And I don't believe in the big bang either. Not like most ppl do atleast.
Life is nothing but alot of chemical reactions. Put simply. And nothing is really solid. But an interaction of what I believe a sub quantum energy. We only sense it as solid because it is in our range of sensitivity. Kind of like the channels on a TV.
And if any of u are musicians u well have and consept of chords. I believe that the big bang was a instance that several frequancys of subquantum energys travaling through space met and combined into a chord that created our universe. Kinda like taking a hand full of pebbles and tossing them into a pond. And all the places that the waves from each pebble met caused an event. That is if they created a quantum chord. And I guess that at that very instance there could have been a big bang like event. And that would make it possible for meny universes to exsist.
In the scheme of things that could only be happening for an instance. But seem to us a trillion years.
I arrived at this from observing things around me. And alot of reading about physics and quantum phisics.It's just a hobby of mine. I know it sounds crazy but has'nt most all theories been called crazy at first?

:D :D

[cr3am]

i don't have religion, do i have a personality? I'm not a robot, or anything, and i know of plently of people that don't believe in any religion or spirituality, and they are just as fun and exciting.

[wmgreer]

I have just read through all of this. Everyone has some interesting points and good questions. I believe in God. I am a Christian. I am a Baptist. saved and baptized. I would like to voice my own beliefs,though some will only say they are opinions which is fine. Unlike some people out there, I will not get offended. After all everybody has a right to their own point of view. I read that somebody said that God abanded us. God didn't abanded anybody. People abanded God. They turn their backs on him because something bad happened to them and they can't figure out why, so they say that God abanded them.

You wonder why God lets bad things happen. People do the bad things. God gave every single person free will, the ability to make his/her own choice. That is what makes us all different. If not for free will, we'd all be the same, like clones. So whether or not we sit at home and watch t.v. or get drunk, get in the car, drive off,and hit someone is our own choice.

[Odm]

I'll believe in God when I run out of answers to my questions. Hehe no, seriously, I don't believe in God or gods or anything like that, but I'm keeping an open mind.

I think that sometimes people need something to comfort them, so they use phrases like "He's up in Heaven" or think "God works in mysterious ways" There are both good sides and bad sides to religion. For instance, most religions urge people to be compassionate, or at least try to do what is good. However, some people are overzealous and religion is just an excuse.

What I really hate about religion is the fact that many people say "THIS religion is the best" It just makes them seem closed-minded and prejudiced. It also leads to violence, ie the Crusades and Israel/Palestine.

So what I'm trying to say is, when people are unbiased about religion, it's great. When people are biased, it can be horrible.

[cr3am]

so if god gave us all free will, and the stuff we do is up to us, and God has no play in it, why does he care about us? Why would he keep watching?

and people didn't abandon god because something bad happened. We abandoned god because the Bible was BS, and made no sense. WHY WOULD GOD CARE IF WE JACK OFF!?

[RADiator]

Originally posted by cr3am
so if god gave us all free will, and the stuff we do is up to us, and God has no play in it, why does he care about us? Why would he keep watching?

and people didn't abandon god because something bad happened. We abandoned god because the Bible was BS, and made no sense. WHY WOULD GOD CARE IF WE JACK OFF!?
Well I just dont belive in him. I think that man is a king of a castle and leader of his fate. Dont know what to say about the afterlife though.....reincarnation probably.

[aleincaveman]

He HE HE HEE!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Real good one Cr3am. I always wondered that also. Concidering that there probably never been a male that has'nt jacked off in all the history. :D :D :D

[koster]

does god exist?? hmm.....I really dont know.....Ive never seen him, or heard him or whatever...But if he does exists, than im sure that he fucking hates, or doesnt give a shit about us........

[wmgreer]

Originally posted by cr3am
so if god gave us all free will, and the stuff we do is up to us, and God has no play in it, why does he care about us? Why would he keep watching?

and people didn't abandon god because something bad happened. We abandoned god because the Bible was BS, and made no sense. WHY WOULD GOD CARE IF WE JACK OFF!?

God gives us the ability to choose so we are not
forced to accept him. He wants us to choose his love
because we know it is the right thing to do. Why does
he continue to watch? Because he loves us
unconditionally, something most humans have forgotten
how to do. Why does he love us unconditionally?
Because, simply put, he is love.

[ibanez7]

FATBASTARD: NAILED IT IN HIS POST.....

ex-governer of minnesota Jesse Ventura: also nailed it: "organized religion is for the weak minded."

quick post of my views: big bang, darwinism and evolution is 100% correct, god is faith that doesnt truely exist, except in you.

Belief on GOD. Yes god exist in you, not in the clouds not around us but in your mind. Everything and anything good or bad that happens in your life is not because of god or anyone else but because of you and your mind set. Your are god over yourself. You mind has untapped infinite intelligence. When you tap into and harness the power of your mind you can be "god like" for sake of words.

Proof when you break a bone, doctors dont heal the bone, god doesnt heal you, your mind does.

When your a recovering alcoholic: you recovered cause you choose too not because you found god, but because you found yourself.

My personal experience" I suffered a dirt bike accident when I was 13 that caused center of my brain to start bleeding causing head trauma. Which will kill you, from the pressure of the blood crushing your brain against the skull, and just having your brain bleed is not good. I had to have two surgeries to relieve the blood. I was in critical conditions for 2 weeks in intensive care. My surgeon told my parents "Its up to me to live, from my will and strength to live" not up to god.
All the surgeon did was remove the block that was preventing me to heal, so my mind could heal my body not god or the doctors.
A doctor cant stop the center of your brain from bleeding only your your mind can.
Well its obvious that I lived, 13 years later. Sad part is that year Nascar racer Davey Allison died of the exact same head injury.

God is the biggest clutch for society(which helps program your mind). Hence every war through out history was fought in the name of god, suicide bombers in the name of god. 911 attacks in the name of god because US gave Jerusalem freedom. Northern Ireland attack/war has lasted a 1000yrs in the name of god. Priest can molest kids and be free of their crime in the name of god.

People grieve easier at funerals in the name of god. My wife died she will now be in a better place. Bull shit, your wife is dead her energy has been passed on to the earth and now she is worm food nothing more nothing less.

Jesus, was the first cult leader and evangilist nothing more nothing less. At that time in life people needed something to believe in and he gave FOLLOWERS a place for their faith. If somebody in this time where to come out and claim they where Jesus, that person would either be shot and killed, locked in a loonie bin, or the so called modern messiah would die with his followers by drinking their poisoned koolaid.

Your mind has infinite intelligence, that is GOD, belief in yourself that you can accomplish anything and everything. No excuses, which is what GOD, and the society give us and use.
If I were to explain everything I mean, I would end up writing a book on here. So your best bet is to read a book on your own about the powers of the mind, programming the mind. Which will prove it all starts in the subconcious and concious parts of you mind not with or in god. ITS IN YOU.

books of great reading:
Steven Pinker "how the mind works"
Tony Robbins any of his books
Ken Wilbur any of his books
Dali lama any of his books
Albert Einstien any of his writing
Most books on the mind.
Think like Vivaldi
Og Mandino
Dale Carnigie

Everything I have accomplished in life, (which many of you dont believe,) is because I did not limit myself, and did not make excuses or give up once I was beat, I continued to persist as I still do. I accomplish what I want due to drive, self esteam, belief in myself. Once again its all up to you not GOD or society which will just hinder you.

[TheKua]

I am a follower of the Dark-Lord Lucifer and all human life shall perish and burn bwa ha hahahahaha!

[Bobz0r]

I noticed i was god when i was praying and realized i was talking to myself

[wmgreer]

Is there anybody who actually beleives in God? A simple yes or no will do.

[unskinnybob]

The big-bang theory has been proven to be unlikely if at all possible. I'd search for the article but I'm too fucking lazy. That said, something was responsible for creation. I'm going with "God does exist". What else would the fucking calender be based on?!

[unskinnybob]

....besides, if there is no heaven and no hell then where the fuck do we go when we die? do we just stop living? reincarnation? Can I come back as a really good looking chick with big tits? I'd play with myself infront of the mirror all day! There'd be pictures of my ass all over the internet. I'd be so slutty, madonna would look like, well, the madonna.

[blind_mad_cow]

damn, i thought i had already posted on this topic.

my thoughts are: You wake up one day as a baby, and then down the line you die and sleep dreamless for all eternity not knowing anything...just nothingness.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by wmgreer
Is there anybody who actually beleives in God? A simple yes or no will do.

I think freakonaleash does....he's always talking about that gay people are wrong because he thinks the bible says so and shit like that. I personally don't believe in God. 100% Evolution theory-believer here!!

[unskinnybob]

Judging by the posts it is safe to say that if God did exist then there would probably be no Americans, Russians or Dutch in heaven. Oh fuck - Heaven is an extension of Africa or worse - Australia!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Flying Pineapple]

Originally posted by Chimera[NL]
I personally don't believe in God. 100% Evolution theory-believer here!! [/B]

I believe in God, I believe in evolution too.
I'm also Baptist.

Edit: I now think evolution is full of crap, and can't stand associating myself with any religious denominations specific to traditions. Plain christian all the way.

[Chimera[NL]]

Originally posted by Flying Pineapple
....I'm also Baptist.

I'm sorry......ehm....what's a Baptist?

[Flying Pineapple]

baptists are christians who use baptism (dunking their head underwater) as a symbolic way of confirming their christianity in public, that is, in front of the people of the church they go to.

Not that its relevant to this discussion in any way though =)

[AVataRR]

books of great reading:
Steven Pinker "how the mind works"
Tony Robbins any of his books
Ken Wilbur any of his books
Dali lama any of his books
Albert Einstien any of his writing
Most books on the mind.
Think like Vivaldi
Og Mandino
Dale Carnigie


don't forget Carl Sagan's Cosmos. :)

and ibanez7, I really admire you for getting through what you've gone through. that takes real big balls.

[Kain]

look frankly i dont think il beleive in him until he turns up on my door

But if you want to beleive in him thats all right with me but dont trample on my time time with your beleifs and i wont trample on yours.

oh and the saitinist or what ever pagen god you beleive in i dont care who you are but if all of humanity is gonna die then your going with us and i dont care what you SAy you are, uness your a very intelligent monkey....or avery simple boy

well thats my opinion any way

[Kain]

oh and Australia better not be a part of heaven if exsists because when or ...If i die. i would preffer to go some where else apart from here...

[Yian]

yeah, if heaven is anything like Australia I rather get stuck here.

[ghiop]

Yeah, I'd say I believe in a god. I'll confess I'm not sure much more beyond that, but I think there is one. I don't really have any great principle on that one, just a feeling. If anything, I lean towards a Judeo-Christian god, just cause that's what I was brought up with.
I just draw the line at a God that would hate gay people just for being gay, or, for that matter, a hateful god at all...
who the hell knows. I'm probably wrong, and I'll get cloven in twain for my transgressions. Guess that'll answer the question though. :)

[Kain]

Ibanez7 your rong its not religions fault but those who follow it or misinterpretate it to better themselves over other if you check out all those things they usually have someone who wants to have power over others and thats exactly what religion is Control of the masses

[Mr.Nerdy]

Matrix reloaded is proof enough there is some sort of divine power looking after us, whether it is the wachowskis(sp?) or not, i suppose we'll never know

[Kain]

Umm mister nerdy....Matrix reloaded is a Movie.
Welcome to reality

[Mr.Nerdy]

Yeah, i was caught up in matrix fever when i wrote that, anyways, now that i have cooled a bit, my 2 cents, God exists, in many ways shapes and forms, soooo, umm, there ya go