A World Without Porn

[Digital Limit]

The world would be a much better place without it.

At least, that's what a friend of mine is advocating.

Thoughts?

[Yian]

What? How the hell? Why!?

[SuperDavidGT]

Yian summed it up perfectly.


Where the fuck does your friend get off? In a men's locker room?

Put it this way - if Hitler actually got laid when he was younger, there wouldnt have been a holocaust. If Hitler had actually jerked off once and a while, he wouldn't be so frustrated while publicly speaking. Unless Eva Braun was actually under the lecturn and sucking him off while he delivered his speaches, in which case no wonder he was bright red and psychotic.

[Digital Limit]

It's a girl making this point, if that helps any.

:)

[SuperDavidGT]

Women should be seen and not heard. Tell her to shut up and get naked, then apply some of those photographizzle skills of yours. Make sure you share.

[Digital Limit]

A few of her points:

Pornography leads to sex.
It demoralizes women.
It gets pretty horrific.

[SuperDavidGT]

No, it leads to man beating off because he can't get sex on that particular night.

Yes it demoralises women... porn time is the only time of the day when man actually gets the one up on woman, because we live in a fucked up society full of feminists who think woman and man should be "equal", and by "equal", they mean "better".

Unless your Hitman. Then life is good.

[Yian]

A few of her points:

Pornography leads to sex.
It demoralizes women.
It gets pretty horrific.
Well, that is a good point...

But by definition, pornography doesn't mean it is always about women. The majority of the porn is made for male audience, though; that's a fact cannot be denied. However, a more accurate way to describe it would be "pronography today reflects how male dominates the society." It's status is a reflection of an existing problem, not the problem itself. Getting rid of pornography will not help in any way fundamentally.

The notion that the absence of porn will reduce the degradation women currently suffer share the same metaphor with the idea that getting rid of firearms will make humanity without violence.

[farsimon]

wtf? those porn bitches coins it bigtime! and it's out of their own free will! your friend needs to get laid - she sounds like one of those feminist virgin types.

[xenophage]

How the fuck does sex demoralize them? The bitches want it more than guys.

[King Speedy]

My wrist wouldn't be in near the shape that it's in.

[REBEL_AU]

Pornography leads to sex.

Masturbation = sex now?

[schnitzel_bob]

Porn is way worse for guys then it is for women. With the availability of porn on the net, guys get addicted to the damn stuff *cough*everyone on Atrip*cough*.
Except me :D

[Downfall]

now i love me some porn

but i will say that porn does have its adverse effects on people. more and more today kids are learning about sex from porn instead of through school or parents. now what exactly are they learning from porn? how to demoralize women and treat them as objects(not all porns have a great storyline and its usualy the bad plotones that kids usualy see).

if the kid is easily influenced this may even sway the way he treats the women in his life.



but fuck those people for messing it up for those of us with some control and who have learned to demoralize women on our own!



btw, one of my profesors did a massive study on this that says yes porn is bad. Congress has used him as an expert witness in some porn cases so that helps validify (fuck it..its a word) him for me. (and odly enough the man says he doesnt watch porn)

[Digital Limit]

If there was no porn, do you think there'd be more sex/rape?

And what do you think about the time a child is educated about sex?

[Downfall]

there would be more pent up sexual agression in certain people, so it is a posibility that a rise in rape.

but as for sex, people would still do it, they would just get it all out of those dirty romance novels :D

i was tought about it in middle school, but knew most of that stuff around middle to late elementry.

[wmgreer]

(and odly enough the man says he doesnt watch porn)

Bullshit

If there was no porn, do you think there'd be more sex/rape?

And what do you think about the time a child is educated about sex?

I quess it would depend on the individual Some people would be fine watching porn, then turning to their spouse, boy/girl friend and having sex or just jerking off. But then there are some sick people who would watch it and then decide to go rape somebody.

As for what age should a child be edcucated? I guess that would depend on the parents. In this day and age the sooner the better, probably. Maybe girls need to be told first. The reason why I say this is because of the time of the month thing.

[Digital Limit]

How did everyone learn about sex?

I know I was never given the talk, but found most all of the information when browsing the 'net.

[Digital Pimp]

I was given "the talk" from my parents around 5th grade, they felt I could take it better mainly due to all my health circumstances and my quick maturity in that area. The public schools did basic Sex ed in 4th and 5th grade, mainly hygene and development, here in FL.

[Digital Limit]

Yeah, I went through that course as well, and didn't learn much that I hadn't learned from my curiosity on the 'net.

[StormyPeak]

They didn't have internet when I was a younger, and I also lived in a very small, religious filled town. About 80% of the people here are Mormon, and probably 19% of the rest left are of various religions...with only about 1% not being religious. So, sex just wasn't talked about that much or not at all.

My mom and dad never really did give the 'birds and bees' speech...and our small town school didn't dare mention any kind of sex education until the senior year...which by then...most of the kids had already figured things out for themselves. Also as young pre-teen kids, we usually had a good idea about how copulation worked....the really old fashioned way...seeing dogs go at it on the sidewalk, or a bull mounting a cow out in a pasture - I live in an agracultural community...so there is pasture land all over the valley when I grew up. If it wasn't the cows, then one could see rams mounting ewes, or sometimes even a stallion and mare together. Nature can teach ya a lot when there is nothing else to go by... Also, at least from a girl's point of view...romance novels...Harliquin romances, and then later the little bit more 'detailed' romance novels filled in the gaps. Like I said, by the time we were seniors in high school...we (my generation and probably most pre-computer generations) just kind of knew about it. No porn, no instructional stuff from the schools.

Stormy

[SuperDavidGT]

I was given a book in primary school, but by then I'd already seen what boobies looked like from magazines and I knew what a vagina was, thanks to my lesbian year 6 teacher. Then when I started going out with girls in high school my dad tried to give me the talk, but a little too late.

He learnt a lesson that day. You can't try and talk about sex with a 16yrold without being laughed at.

[Digital Limit]

I'd say porn is fine, as long as it's nothing violent or animal-involving.

[REBEL_AU]

I'd say porn is fine, as long as it's nothing violent or animal-involving.
...
damnit.

[Core_Inferno]

well i dont need porn i got the real deal =P

[wmgreer]

well i dont need porn i got the real deal =P

Yeah, well the real deal is great and everything, but sometimes you just gotta see something different. I've been with the same man for the last 7 or so years and I hae no problem looking at other naked men every now and then.

[tisl]

I think someone should stick a large object up your friend's ass because she needs to learn a lesson. Don't come between men and their porn. I don't give a shit about her fucking beliefs. I'm not even going to debate them. You fuck with porn, you die. It's one of those untouchable things. Dumb whore.

[Digital Limit]

I'll relay the message :)

[Docta Beeeer]

no topic

[SuperDavidGT]

well i dont need porn i got the real deal =P

real deal or real doll?

[wmgreer]

real deal or real doll?

lol

[Jwr5]

pwnd

[Digital Limit]

real deal or real doll?

You are friggin' witty, my friend.

:D

[wmgreer]

As long as you don't become obsessed by it, porn is fine. I have no problem with porn, as long as it's not that freaky shit.

[tisl]

Can I post some freaky shit?

[wmgreer]

you might get banned

[LynX]

Personal observation of acquaintances who condemn porn and beating the bishop in general.

- can't keep their eyes from straying to.... certain places on the anatomy of a person of the opposite sex.
- can't maintain eye contact while talking to a person of the opposite sex; the eyes will travel everywhere else but the person he's talking to.
- seem perpetually frustrated
- won't sing that tune again once they've had a couple of.... explosive nights.

No porn leads to frustration.
Frustration leads to mental problems.
Mental problems lead to social problems.
Social problems lead to sex offenders.

Therefore, spanking the monkey = less/no social problems of that kind.

[farsimon]

rape and sex crimes are about control and domination - it has nothing to do with sex.
there's no way that porn can influence that - nuff said!

[SuperDavidGT]

I'm with farsimon on that one (:eek:) Although Lynx's little darkside mantra was pretty cool, it's a bit more complicated than that.

Porn and rape are not linked. So stuff that in your throat so deep, congress.

[StormyPeak]

I sure that porn and sex crimes are linked...

Every time they bust a child rapist...he has child porn on his computer, or photos and such.

Many sex criminials that have talked about how they got started on that path said it was because they read or saw some pornography at a young age (like 5 or 6) and they became more and more fascinated by it as they matured. The porn they saw was of either bondage type stuff, and sometimes even children porn...but they were influenced by what they saw. As they matured, their fantasies and interest led them to buying or reading more porn...until the porn wasn't enough and they had to go do the real thing to satify their fantasties.

For the most part, I think porn is harmless...but I also know that like many things it can become an obsession with some people.

Stormy

[farsimon]

show me a guy computer without porn and I'll show you santa claus - seriously!

and saying you did it because of teh pr0n - yeah, that's also been done before and it goes like this "It's not my fault it's [insert random name here]'s fault"




"Booze made me do it"
"Drugs made me do it"
"My abusive father made me do it"
"GTA made me do it"


...sound familiar?

[SuperDavidGT]

I sure that porn and sex crimes are linked...

Every time they bust a child rapist...he has child porn on his computer, or photos and such.



Yes, they come together but that doesn't mean it's linked. Most men have porn on their computers. The type of porn varies depending on what gets them off. I have pictures of naked chicks. Tisl and Yian must have FUCKLOADS of pictures of naked chicks. some girls have pictures of guys. shoe fetishests have diana ferrari catalogues. kiddy fiddlers have pictures of that fucking sixth sense kid touching himself provocatively.

none of that makes them rapists. what makes them rapists is the predatorial instinct that has somehow been coded within the brain to match with freudian grade obsessions that cause the man to be aroused by the complete dominance of a woman in the dark parking lot. the porn is a side effect.



Stormy's logic dictates: The dead guy in the morge had dihydrogen monoxide present in his blood, therefore his death was caused by dihydrogen monoxide poisoning. Not the blunt force trauma to the head, not the broken neck, not the gunshot wound to the stomach, and not the massive amounts of semen clogging his throat.



(... sorry if i seem uncharacteristically cynical)

[StormyPeak]

Dave, you are taking shades of grey and trying to make it black and white...and unfortunately, it's not that way.

There is, a definite link between porn/violence and such when it comes to people who end up being sex criminals. That comes straight from the criminals..they even think the porn and such fed their desires...and from the mental experts...they also know that things that influence us as children, make up a big part of who we are as adults.

Also, if you read the last part of my last post... I also said that I think for the most part, porn is harmless. But I also know that it can be a catalyst for some to go further and further into something so that in the end they are mentally sick from it - thus the child rapist and sadists types that happen. Which, btw, in primative cultures that don't have porn...one rarely sees that type of behavior.


Stormy

[SuperDavidGT]

I stand fast by my opinion with a firm grip on my shovel.


And if anyone cares about this anymore, here's a reiteration:

I'm not this black and white. I could say you are, but I know you're not trying to so I won't. I will say this: porn does not cause sexual violence. Sexually violent people might look at porn, but that doesn't mean it makes them psycho. The long history of sexual abuse is generally what makes them psycho. The porn is for when business is poor, like most men.

In fact, knowing some of the people I know, I would say lack of porn in life causes more damage. I know a guy who detests porn, insists he doesn't beat off, befriends women with his nice guy/metrosexual act, then tries to force them into relationships. In five years time, he'll be Hitman's number one rival for parking lot incidences. And there are many men like this. I know lots of girls who have experienced this sort of shit.

[farsimon]

you have to be fucked in your head before the time, for porn/games/etc to influence your actions. and that makes you do fucked up things.

[Yian]

I'm not this black and white. I could say you are, but I know you're not trying to so I won't. I will say this: porn does not cause sexual violence. Sexually violent people might look at porn, but that doesn't mean it makes them psycho. The long history of sexual abuse is generally what makes them psycho. The porn is for when business is poor, like most men.
I'm with SuperDavidGT on this one. As I said before, pushing a shopping cart does not make you a hobo. It is very important to realize that banning the "symptom" in an attempt to eliminate the cause. People that commit sex crimes watches porn, not the other way around. Under normal circumstances, people who commit sex crime probably eat and sleep as well. Should we ban eating and sleeping?

[schnitzel_bob]

To shift gears here a little bit, I think porn can be more harmful to "impressionable youth": it creates unrealistic expectations. Most girls don't like cum on the face and can't deep throat, and most guys can't pump like a stallion for an hour before controlling exactly when they spurt. If people understand that porn is a fantasy, then there's no problem.

[Digital Limit]

True, but it does give me some great pointers (see: hit the right hole the first time).

[SaintDL]

Ok, first i'd like to point out that women don't know what they're talking about. that's why we don't listen. we're intelligent beings(not to mention horny). so we don't entertain bullshit.

exmaple? ever notice how a woman keep dressing so sexily and insist they didn't want to be seen( then WTF they dress like that?). and that it makes them feel comfortable. i think they should just admit it that women with good bods like to show it off. they love sex. they are hornier then guys.

but! but! but this lady is complaining. why is that? only one explanation. she don't have a good body. it is the same tactic they used when they accuse men of not listening. because they cannot speak something with common sense. in this case, they don't have good body so they berate abut the evils of pornography. they just don't want to look at women with better bods then their pathetic... flat chested.... thing....

and ever notice how red light district can be found in every country. porn and red light district actually keeps people in check. if not for them i'll be raping 10 babes a day. everyone will be raping women. rape will be made legal. but we don't want that. so we invented porn and red light districts.

god bless the man who invented porn and red light district. because of them rape isn't made legal. amen.

[SaintDL]

To shift gears here a little bit, I think porn can be more harmful to "impressionable youth": it creates unrealistic expectations. Most girls don't like cum on the face and can't deep throat, and most guys can't pump like a stallion for an hour before controlling exactly when they spurt. If people understand that porn is a fantasy, then there's no problem.

I've watched porn ever since 12 years old. I practised hard and my first sex encounter i lasted 3 fucking hours. god bless porn. they are men's destiny.

btw asians rarely last 3 hours. so im a rare breed of asian stallion.

[Yian]

Hello SaintDL. Long time no see! How are you? :)

[SaintDL]

OmgI'm so touched. YIAN YOU REMEMBER ME!!!!!!

SOB!!! You're such a nice guy. I'm doing fine Yian. Almost finished my nation service. I'm gonna be relieved of duty soon. On july 15.

[farsimon]

OmgI'm so touched. YIAN YOU REMEMBER ME!!!!!!

SOB!!! You're such a nice guy. I'm doing fine Yian. Almost finished my nation service. I'm gonna be relieved of duty soon. On july 15.
ok guy, just don't wet yourself

[san_pali]

example? ever notice how a woman keep dressing so sexily and insist they didn't want to be seen( then WTF they dress like that?). and that it makes them feel comfortable. i think they should just admit it that women with good bods like to show it off. they love sex. they are hornier then guys

This is a little off topic, but, that remind me of a conversation with my girlfriend, where i pointed out the same, if you don't want to be offended, or harrased by man, don't dress like f**king whore.
And she said that it was like saying that you can steal anything from a store, just because it's there, teasing you. Like it was momen's fault that men are so horny that no women can dress like they want to.

For once, i guess she had a point :rolleyes:

[schnitzel_bob]

Yeah, by that rational (women are temptresses and men can't control themselves) women should wear a veil and be covered up all the time like in Saudia Arabia (among others). And for all the casual mysoginy at Atrip, I think we can all agree we don't want to be like Saudia Arabia.

[SuperDavidGT]

Some women dress up to impress other women. Some dress like sluts to get laid. Others don't dress up because they don't have a hope in hell. You can judge a woman by the way she dresses, it's quite simple.

[Downfall]

ok, we get it...you aren't sluts...but you sure are wearing the uniform...for instance, if i were to put on a police officer's uniform and walk down the street and some shit went down and you came running up to me all "help, help, officer" and i said, "you stupid ass, i'm not a cop, i'm just wearing the uniform", you'd be a little upset...so, when you are wearing the uniform of a slut, don't get upset when us guys think that you are one

[SaintDL]

This is a little off topic, but, that remind me of a conversation with my girlfriend, where i pointed out the same, if you don't want to be offended, or harrased by man, don't dress like f**king whore.
And she said that it was like saying that you can steal anything from a store, just because it's there, teasing you. Like it was momen's fault that men are so horny that no women can dress like they want to.

For once, i guess she had a point :rolleyes:

a sword have two edges. and so is this issue.
if you know that the other person hates something, u don't just do what you like (when what u like happens to piss him off). it just don't work out.

down here women knows it gets men off. and they do what they like. they're asking for it. men are built that way. to ensure survival for their species. women dressing up like that are just gonna keep invoking our instinct to fuck them. so, if they don't want people staring at their boobs, don't expose them.

it's the same thing. if women go naked on the streets, i'll be the first to rape them. if i'm an angry person with a gun and some wise guy come up to me bad mouthing my mum, i shoot him. common sense. which women like to twist.

i'm sorry but you fell for your girlfriend's trick. but at least now you know.

[SaintDL]

Yeah, by that rational (women are temptresses and men can't control themselves) women should wear a veil and be covered up all the time like in Saudia Arabia (among others). And for all the casual mysoginy at Atrip, I think we can all agree we don't want to be like Saudia Arabia.


we don't want them to cover up everything like saudi arabia. but it would be nice if our women here shut up like the women in saudi arabia. they keep saying things that don't appeal to the common sense.
P.S. not in sex of coz. i like my women to moarn loudly

[Yian]

we don't want them to cover up everything like saudi arabia. but it would be nice if our women here shut up like the women in saudi arabia. they keep saying things that don't appeal to the common sense.
P.S. not in sex of coz. i like my women to moarn loudly:eek: :eek: ...

[san_pali]

it's the same thing. if women go naked on the streets, i'll be the first to rape them. if i'm an angry person with a gun and some wise guy come up to me bad mouthing my mum, i shoot him. common sense. which women like to twist.
i'm sorry but you fell for your girlfriend's trick. but at least now you know.
ROLF

Some women dress up to impress other women. Some dress like sluts to get laid. Others don't dress up because they don't have a hope in hell. You can judge a woman by the way she dresses, it's quite simple.
i partly agree, except in the part of judging. i don't think the words "simple" and "Woman" go together.

[SaintDL]

i partly agree, except in the part of judging. i don't think the words "simple" and "Woman" go together.


agreed.

[StormyPeak]

I haven't visited this thread for a while, and came back and read the last few comments and just shook my head. Why do men, think women are something other than another human? Human.

Societies that force women behind veils, or to the other extreme treat women only as sexual objects...such as in areas like Bangkok...where little girls as young as 6 are forced into protestution...are not treating women as human beings....but as chattel, and slavery is something that needs to be stopped if the human race is ever going to grow into something better than what we are now. I think we could achieve so much - but in many societies, half of the population is held in a type of slavery by the other half..not allowed to get an education, or drive cars, or have a say in anything. There are some very intellegent women out there some probably genuises who will never be nothing more than a breeding machine, or a whore beaten by her pimp for not making enough money on any particular night. These women in other circumstances might have been the one's who figured out how to solve some type of cancer, or create some new invention that better's our lives...instead of rotting away under the control of another human.

I know a lot of you will crack jokes about this...but in reality, it's not funny...maybe as you get older, and you do have a sister, or an aunt, or even a friend who happens to be female...and you see her with a black eye, or broken cheekbones...bruised and battered from a man who thinks it's his right to beat up on another human, then it won't be so humorous. I don't know...maybe some of ya have seen this already...you dad beating on your mom. All I can say, forcing humans into 'roles' that other humans don't have have to live by isn't a positive way to go on as a race. It's not a good thing...and cannot be condoned in anyway.

As for dress...here in the states, a man can legally walk down the street without a shirt...but women can't...and if she did...then she's a slut? whore? Double standard if you ask me... If women are forced to cover their chest up, then men should have to do the same thing. Dress is something again, dictated by our society....there are a lot of societies out there (primitive ones) where women go do topless and NOTHING about that is considered whorish. It's just what's done because it's hot and thus comfortable not to cover up and because they grew up not knowing about porn. The woman's breast is just like an arm or a leg....it has no more meaning to them than an arm or a leg would have in a sexual encounter...so they don't make a point of making breasts taboo to show in public.

This leads back to why I think porn can influence kids. Just compare primitive societies to those where kids have access to someone else's idea of what is sexy (porn). Also...even here on this site...you have a double standard. Since I've been here...I've seen photos of women...from tits on down...yet all you guys...keep saying no penises are to be shown...the double standard applies here too.
A penis is 'nasty' and taboo?
But then, so is a woman's vagina...yet...to you it's ok to show the boobies and the vagina ? You don't think porn influenced those ideals?

I know some of you will say that it's because it's mostly guys on this site...but by doing so...you are still ignoring the fact that there are other people on this site that are human...women...who might not like to see other women's parts as much as you might not want to see some guys penis. Or...perhaps a woman might come along and want fair play...if a woman is shown fully naked...then a photo of a guy fully naked shouldn't be banned just because his dick is exposed to everyone.

Stormy

[schnitzel_bob]

Stormy, I agree with most of what you said except for the part about the forums babe thread.

1- Atrip is not a milieu for social reform. So we can't really expect revolutionnary changes in the way men think about women to start here. Talk of "fair play" is misplaced. There is no actiontrip bill of rights, so who are you going to complain to? Even if we were to ban all porn on the forums, how would that help? Many people would just stop coming alltogether.

2- the overwhelming majority of the users here are males (if not men).

3- Would women even be interested if there were pics of fully naked men in a thread? Porn doesn't really have the same effect on most women as it does on men (there are obviously some exceptions).

4- You'll have to forgive the cliché, but if you don't like it, don't look at it. There is one babe thread, and it's not really permitted to just hijack another thread by posting a pic in it. It's not as though porn is something you can't avoid at atrip.

One thing that amazes me is: Given the wealth of free porn available on the internet, the amount of people who register just to see the babe thread is staggering.

[StormyPeak]

Stormy, I agree with most of what you said except for the part about the forums babe thread.

1- Atrip is not a milieu for social reform. So we can't really expect revolutionnary changes in the way men think about women to start here. Talk of "fair play" is misplaced. There is no actiontrip bill of rights, so who are you going to complain to? Even if we were to ban all porn on the forums, how would that help? Many people would just stop coming alltogether.

2- the overwhelming majority of the users here are males (if not men).

3- Would women even be interested if there were pics of fully naked men in a thread? Porn doesn't really have the same effect on most women as it does on men (there are obviously some exceptions).

4- You'll have to forgive the cliché, but if you don't like it, don't look at it. There is one babe thread, and it's not really permitted to just hijack another thread by posting a pic in it. It's not as though porn is something you can't avoid at atrip.

One thing that amazes me is: Given the wealth of free porn available on the internet, the amount of people who register just to see the babe thread is staggering.

I have no objection to whether or not there is a 'babe thread'... and I agree that this site isn't someplace to go for social change.

As for going into a thread where one might not want to see something...I agree..but who ever made the rules here...totally forbids penises...and if a person...gay or woman..wished to post a thread about sexy nude guys...that thread wouldn't be allowed. Double standard. If those who don't want to see dicks don't want to see dicks...then they don't have to go into that thread.

My whole point...is to just point out how porn can influence what is considered. 'nasty' and in that I mean in not 'bad or ugly' but in the sense of meaning 'oooh...nasty...lascivious'.

I also just wanted to use it as another example of double standard that happens without too much thought going into it.

~ Shirtless men on the sidewalk...ok...but not shirtless women.
~Tits and vagina at Atrip...ok....but not penises...(even if the majority are guys...there are still women on this site...so again...the woman's feelings/opinions on this are waived aside...regardless of what they would want in regards to penises being shown on this site).
~a man dates a lot of women...he's a stud.... a woman dates a lot of men and she's a slut.
~a man dresses well, and he's handsome, clean, a man of distinction. A woman dresses nice and then that must mean she's got ulterior motives -- she's a slut, or someone looking to 'tease the men' or 'begging to be raped...etc...

It's these double standards that I don't understand.

It really would be a better world if we started treating one another as human and not break things down into sexes...or even races for that matter. It's just sad to me that major parts of our world's population can't have the same rights as the rest of the population.

Stormy

[Digital Limit]

I hate that logic. We are different. Let's not pretend otherwise.

[StormyPeak]

Different if fine....but that doesn't mean that one group should hold power over any other group of humans - making decisions for them, telling them how to dress, what they can read, how they can vote, or believe in..etc...

Stormy

[Digital Limit]

You're stretching reality a bit there, lady.

[StormyPeak]

Our current reality maybe...but that doesn't mean it can't be a future one.

Think about how far we've come already in some areas of this world.

Slavery is out-lawed in many countries.....something that wasn't so 2000+ years ago. Women in many countries are now allowed to be educated...and even men who previously were denied their freedom to do so can be educated.

Even back some 200 to 300 years ago some groups of men were not considered to be intelligent enough to be educated - and I'm not talking about just blacks either.

The English use to think that the Irish...all of them...men and women were 'sub-human'...and the notion that an Irish man was genetically so dumb that he could not be educated with a degree in higher learning was as real to them as it was to the southern plantation owner of the states who thought black people were sub-human and thus couldn't be educated. On top of that...there was also the motive that an educated person is a dangerous person...and those who ruled wanted to keep those who didn't in line.

And the same goes for women over the ages...it use to be a common idea that women would not be able to comprehend stuff at a college level....that they couldn't be doctors and lawyers and such.

All of these concepts are now bunk.

The world has become a better place because people were finally allowed to be free to go as far as they thought they could in what ever field they decided to study. Anyone in a true civilized country can go out and determine their own fate...and not have it dictated to them.

But, we have a long way to go..and to just sit on our asses and say that what we have is good enough would be pointless. Humans have the ability to do much more and to better themselves.

I don't know if it will ever happen, but as I look into the past and see how things were, and how they are now, I have to hope. : )

Stormy

[farsimon]

you guys get a room now, mkey.

[SuperDavidGT]

I know a lot of you will crack jokes about this...but in reality, it's not funny...maybe as you get older, and you do have a sister, or an aunt, or even a friend who happens to be female...and you see her with a black eye, or broken cheekbones...bruised and battered from a man who thinks it's his right to beat up on another human, then it won't be so humorous. I don't know...maybe some of ya have seen this already...you dad beating on your mom. All I can say, forcing humans into 'roles' that other humans don't have have to live by isn't a positive way to go on as a race. It's not a good thing...and cannot be condoned in anyway.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You live in a country that forced black people to be slaves for centuries, shoot any mexicans who even swim near the border and persecute the natives who just want to grow some fucking maize... and yet you can tell me how to treat other human beings? I had a girlfriend (who I cared a lot about) who was raped by guys that were supposed to be my friends and tried to kill herself as a result. What do you think did to me? Well, it turned me into a bitter old misanthropist for one, but that didn't suddenly make me think porn was evil. I don't go psycho whenever Hitman or the other guys crack a rape joke, and I can still look at porn without putting the two together.

A woman wants cum on her face because she's a slut, see if I care. She signed up to be a televised whore, it's her problem, she isn't being forced or drugged into it. But that doesn't mean I can't or don't take the serious things seriously. When it gets serious, like now, I get mad and cranky.

Stormy, don't preach this shit. I don't know what you're on half the time but I still respect your input because you're a veteran. But this is just too much to bare.

How fucking hard can it be to seperate pornography and sexual differences? Get over it; if you want I can mail you my psychology textbooks and even my lecturer and you can see what they say with your own eyes. I don't need you to tell me how a woman should and shouldn't be treated, I know the difference between reality and a joke, I know the difference between some pictures of a woman without clothes on and a woman out in the real world.

Go watch some crappy Current Affairs program, or preach extremist mormonism, or whatever the ignorant 40 somethings do in Idaho.

[san_pali]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You live in a country that forced black people to be slaves for centuries, shoot any mexicans who even swim near the border and persecute the natives who just want to grow some fucking maize... and yet you can tell me how to treat other human beings?

Wow, calm down man. but it's not that she had anything to do with that.



A woman wants cum on her face because she's a slut, see if I care. She signed up to be a televised whore, it's her problem, she isn't being forced or drugged into it.
.....................
How fucking hard can it be to seperate pornography and sexual differences? .................
I know the difference between reality and a joke, I know the difference between some pictures of a woman without clothes on and a woman out in the real world.

Cristal clear, +1 on this one.


A penis is 'nasty' and taboo?
But then, so is a woman's vagina...yet...to you it's ok to show the boobies and the vagina ? You don't think porn influenced those ideals?


As gay as it may sound, i think you do have some point there, but i fail to see the connection with porn.


I agree that this site isn't someplace to go for social change
.................
if a person...gay or woman..wished to post a thread about sexy nude guys...that thread wouldn't be allowed. Double standard. If those who don't want to see dicks don't want to see dicks...then they don't have to go into that thread.
i think there's no need to explain this.:p


~ Shirtless men on the sidewalk...ok...but not shirtless women.
~a man dates a lot of women...he's a stud.... a woman dates a lot of men and she's a slut.
~a man dresses well, and he's handsome, clean, a man of distinction. A woman dresses nice and then that must mean she's got ulterior motives -- she's a slut, or someone looking to 'tease the men' or 'begging to be raped...etc...

i think it's because, as painful as it may sound, social equality between man and woman is far from a reality. there have been a lot of progress in the last 60 years, but there's still a long way to go, specially in the way how a man thinks about women in general (Mea culpa in this one, and sorry if my previous post offended you).

[StormyPeak]

Super Dave... Keep remembering that I AM 40 Years old and have a hell of a lot more experience and knowledge just due to that fact alone...not to mention I am well read on a lot of subjects....including pychology..so you can keep your books... I've probably read them or some version of them at some point in my life.

All that you said about America...the slavery especially was what I was talking about.... Slavery was a part of our past...but now is outlawed...fuck we had a CIVIL WAR that put stop it....so that just proves to me that there are good people out there who knew it was wrong.

Our Indian's....again...all of that shit was in the past. The USA has Nations within our nation now...and the natives here have political power on a national basis, but also laws within their own borders.

Their Nations were up and running strong by the turn of the century and still having problems twenty years later - in the 1920's - 30's but getting things worked out -- yet at the same time OZ was still treating their own natives like shit...so don't preach to me on that one. The Tribes today in the USA have casino's on their lands, can sell cigerettes tax free, and have their own police forces and get USA government checks as reparation for what was done to them in the past.

As for the border crossings....it's pretty fucking rare when a Mexican gets shot by border patrol, I have friends from Mexico, and from what they said when talking about their friends or family that were caught by border patrol...they are treated fairly. Also..the Cuban's if they can hit dry land...they get get to stay - it's a law that gives them some chance of living here.

We have laws...and this is again...is one of my points: A country that doesn't give a shit...doesn't have laws in place to protect people...and some in fact h have laws in place that force certain groups of people into oppression.

I've seen many shows about prostitution...and none of those girls EVER wanted to grow up to be a whore. Economics was a key factor...and drug use was another huge issue that got them into it. But...in many foreign counties...women and young girls...ages 6 on up are actually still sold into slavery as prostitutes by men who have abducted them - and the police and the laws in place do nothing to protect them.

I'm very sorry about your girlfriend...but I think you are in denial if you don't think the violence committed upon her didn't have anything to do with how those men came to think about women. And it is proven that when kids grow up watching violent shows, and seeing porn...especially violent porn...it does affect the way they react to things and even plays upon their fantasy lives...sometimes to the point where they start to act out their fantasties.

Also...one thing I would also like to add....I don't see any respect to me in your post although you claim you are doing so. I'm not an ignorant person...and through-out my post you'll find I didn't resort to calling you names or insinuating that you are stupid....or uneducated. I do have the opinion that you don't know it all...and I know I don't know it all....but what I do know is the older one gets the more one gains knowledge...not just book learning...but knowledge...which comes from experiences as well as reading.

I've dealt with beatings, rape, suicides, family members who are drug addicts, a child molesting uncle - the one who molested me when I was 13 years old and thus later this started me to reading why people do things like that - and it led me to the stuff about porn...and childhood experiences.

I'm not ignorant. You might not like my opinions, but I don't think that's any call to attack me in that manner.

My views about porn are backed up by professionals in the field of child developement.

I also want to remind you that I have said in a previous post that I think tha for the MOST PART porn is harmless...but it does affect some in a very negative way...and I don't think those people would turn out that way if it wasn't for what they were exposed to as children. Those 'dirty books' sparked something in them at an age where they still had very little emotional control...and thus made them mentally ill...because they never mastered the emotions later...they couldn't because by then they were too lost in their fantasies to change.

Stormy

[schnitzel_bob]

Stormy, SuperDave, you both need to calm down.

Seriously, you both have valid points, but you're going in circles and getting too personal.

[farsimon]

stormy you seem to be suffering the lack of the ability to adapt to change like almost every other older person I know.

You're opinions on this matter is very old school and conservative, and based on what people "used" to think caused these acts. Psychology (which is ever evolving - this means that the books you might have read years ago doesn't mean squat anymore) has proven this not to be the case, much in the same way as when the earth was proven to be round after all. And there are more "professionals" backing this school of thaught, than there is backing the old, conservative, outdated "porn nurtures rapists" way of thinking.

You have also taken a minor thing like the penis taboo (which is there because we don't want to see dicks - not because we want to discriminate against pussy), and used it as a platform to vent your feminist tripe here.

Women are NOT the same as men and should not be treated the same.

The world would NOT have been this advanced or comfortable if it had not been for men being the driving force behind development. It's easy to say NOW that women are equal and should share in the spoils, if you forget how history have formed mankind. But many years ago it was MEN that killed the beasts, MEN that killed the enemies, MEN that protected the women and children of countries. Women were never the physical match to men, and that's why they were never part of the physical development of civilisation, which WAS as physical as it gets. It's only now that we have the luxury of doing almost anything without getting physical at all. So NOW that the physical factor is taken out of the picture women all of a sudden want to rule the world.

You're trying to put all the world's problems into a neat little box of things that doesn't fit into your view of "morals" and label it "the cause". But it doesn't work like that, nothing can ever substitute choice - and choice is NOT governed by the options (to porn or not to porn) but by personal preference and acceptence of consequence (whether known or unknown).

[StormyPeak]

quote: feminist tripe

You just proved a point. A man has an opinion...and it's taken seriously. A woman has an opinion...and if it does not conform to the man's then it's not just tripe...but feminist tripe.

Just like white people labled black people early on with terms like 'spear chuckers' or what ever to make them sound less civilized...and thus help cement the idea that they couldn't be educated. Derogitory terms are the first thing people fall back too when faced with real truths....

What I said is not feministic tripe...but again stuff that is valid - and still a part of the science of understanding the human mind.

The uncle that raped me...he didn't serve one day in jail.

He got to go to an institute to be 'rehabilitated'

He got out 2 years later and got a job as a fucking bus driver for a school of all things and the reason why is because he had no criminal record. Mental patients are guarenteed to their right of medical privacy. When my family told the school about this man...they couldn't fire him because he was part of a union - and hadn't done anything to warrent firing...I guess that would have taken another little girl getting molested.

So if I get a little bit fucking angry I have good reason.

I live in a rather forward society...one with laws that are suppose to prevent child abuse, or at least punish those who do it...but there are still a lot of loop holes that need fixed. I also am very very aware of what doctors and such are saying about porn and the connection with disturbed, or sexually violent people.

I also know for a fact that my uncle and many like him....in interviews with their doctors...state that Porn WAS a major factor to why they started to think the way they did. They were exposed to it at a very young age...like before the age of 8...and it changed their outlook on sex...and their fantasies involving sex. My uncle has 3 brothers, and none of them ended up like him, because at a young age they weren't given access to a bunch of dirty magazines and they grew up learning about sex at an older age. Yeah, they saw magazines like that when they were 12 or 13 years old...but not before that...and this again, is what I'm saying is porn for the most part is just harmless. But at the wrong time in a child's life it can warp them.

Edit:

Here's a link from a child protection site: read some of the stats there.
http://www.protectkids.com/effects/harms.htm

Stormy

[SuperDavidGT]

Stormy, SuperDave, you both need to calm down.

Seriously, you both have valid points, but you're going in circles and getting too personal.


You're right.

I'm sick of this "pornography rapes women" and "alcohol abused my wife" and "GTA murdered my children" bullshit. I say no more shall be said until Stormy can pull some solid, irrefutable evidence with APA approval that her stance is correct.

And the child protection site doesn't count. It's about as objective as asking a Christian whether or not Jesus exists. For example:

... those who molested [kids] admitted to the habitual use of pornography in the commission of their crimes

As has been stated over and over again, that doesn't mean pornography turned them into kiddy fiddlers.

Slightly more than one-third of the child molesters and rapists in this study claimed to have at least occasionally been incited to commit an offense by exposure to pornography.

And every child who shoots someone blames video games. Dick Cheney blames shooting his lawyer friend as a result of knowing Bush. It's a scapegoat.

Where does it say how they were incited? Which emotion? Which part of their brain? Which fucked up part of their psyche was awoken?

Unfortunately, the powerful irresponsible messages of pornography may be educating our children on these very important life issues.

Why haven't the parents educated them otherwise? Why haven't the parents stopped them seeing porn? How did the kids get to this kind of state anyway? Kids look at porn out of curiosity, not because they're rapists. To go that extra step takes a lot.

Find something objective and critical. In other words, find something better.

[Elitez Psycho]

Hey all...
Stormy, I think Atrip doesn't allow pictures of dicks because the MAJORITY of the people who are memebers, and visitors of this site are male. For example, you've been in the forums around long enough to notice most memebers here are male. So there's not much point complaining that dicks are taboos. If there was a site where the memebers and visitors were female, I don't think they'd want pictures of tits and pussys uploaded on to the forums. Anyways if you want to blame someone for the 'injustice' caused to the females of the human race blame society itself. So what are you going to do about it? What CAN you do about it? I guess protests work, joining a activist group spreading information and such. What society needs is time and we all have to let the percentage of people who are informed about issues like this to rise up (I know its not going to do it by itself but it doesn't help to flame people online or to get real personal about it). So far for the arguements I've seen is that children molesters watch porn. There's no real proof that porn actually CAUSES people to be come sex starved psychopaths or child molesters. It's a theory, same with evolution, same with religion, same with a hell lot of things. Alcohol doesn't cause women to be beaten upon by their husbands, its the husbands that beat them not the alcohol. If the violent/abusive feeling wasn't already there, I doubt the husband would actually beat the wife. Alcohol might just be a catalyst for it to happen faster. Anyways that's why you pick the people you marry carefully but don't take it as if I'm blaming the wife. My dad gets beat on by my mom all the time and guess what? My mom's a fucking psychopath but my dad can rip her head off if he wanted to. But he's never lifted a finger against her, you know why? Good fucking self-control thats why. Parent's are probably the MOST responsible for what their kids become, not other little things such as GTA, or porn, or alcohol. Those things might give that person the little push over the cliff, but he/she had already walked up that fucking mountain and stood right at the cliff edge. Don't blame the catalyst... blame the reactants. lol Chem. Anyways, my mom's family history is really fucked up... divorces, her mom hates her... so on and so on.... its fucked up... that's why she's fucked up. My dad's family history was harsh, but that was just finances and such... he's not a psychopath... his parents were great. If you want to make a change... start with education, educating the later generations about the mistakes of the earlier generations and how to prevent them will make the future society better.

[san_pali]

I just wanted to ask that it would be great if those pro and anti porn actually backed up their opinion with names and books instead of "psychology says this" and such.

So far, and besides some personal attacks and offtopics rants, it's quite a good thread.

[StormyPeak]

I cannot believe that even in spite of people TELLING you that THEY became warped because of porn...you don't believe them.

Again - Child molestors have stepped forward and told pyschologist in studies that the reason they are the way the are was due to exposure to porn...and they continued to use porn their whole lives...especially just before committing a crime upon some kid. My uncle is one of them. When he was five or six, he went to his dad's friend's house looking for his dad - this was in a huge camp area as my grandparent were migrant workers...following the potato harvests, the apple and other fruit harvests in Idaho, and Oregon. When he got to the tent, and was allowed inside there was some magazines sitting on the cot. The guy that lived there thought it would be 'funny' to show this boy some dirty pictures....and for what ever the reason this sparked off something in my uncle that had a huge impact upon his thinking. He clearly remembers how that night his fanatasies changed. He went from having normal 'if I had a new bike' fantaties that say a poor kid like that would have back then to constantly thinking about naked people licking each other and grabbing at each other....etc.. Again, his obsession with sex was started and fueled by pornography...and as he got older...starting around age 17 he began to molest very young girls. He was in his 40's I suspect when he finally got around to me. By then, because people didn't talk about things like that a lot of my cousins had already been his victims, as had my older sister and my younger sister....but again, back then it wasn't something that girls knew how to deal with..because no one talked about it.

I was the same way. It was only 4 years after that that his own 2 daughters finally went to a school counselor and turned him in....he had been raping them since they were 8 years old - and they had a younger sister that he started to show interest in..and they decided they weren't going to allow that. That, was when a lot of girls in my family finally stepped forward and admitted that he had done things to them too. All of that pain because some shithead showed a little 6 year old boy some dirty pictures. And NONE OF YOU YOUNG IGNORANT ARROGANT Know-it-alls Who think porn doesn't influence people are too fucking blind to understand stuff like this because you like porn, maybe you don't want to admit that something you enjoy can fuck people up in a major way.

Those FACTS listed on that page I gave you are backed up by studies. I know because over the course of years in trying to understand what happened to me and what happened to make my uncle the way he was, I've read a lot of stuff on the affects of porn upon very young children.
I've experienced it....the shattering it does to a family....my grandmother was horrified her son was like that, his brother's all of them good men seem to feel that because they were related to a pedophile that maybe they might fall under suspicion too...just by the fact that they were men and his brother....even though they are perfectly normal men. And again...not only my uncle...but many pedophiles tell similar stories of why they became they way they did and it leads right straight back to an encounter with pornographic material at a young age.

Where that comes straight from the people who did it... I just don't understand how you can say "I need more proof"......talk about bullshit...I've never in my life encountered such blindness.

I'm not going to respond to anything else in this thread. It's brought back some horrifying memories for me - I don't like the anger I feel towards some of you either. I tried to keep from the name calling but since I've been hit with a few already....fuck ya.

I'm not going to try to lead a bunch of jackass's to water since I can't make them drink it. IN that I mean supply you with a bunch of links to studies and such...because even after reading it all you would do is deny the facts.

Stormy

[SaintDL]

I hate that logic. We are different. Let's not pretend otherwise.
i agreed.

men are men. women are women.
if you do not let your anger blind you will probably noticed i do not encourage beating up women. women are there to be loved by us. but men are just built this way. horny.

women are the ones that insist the are something other then women. if u seen enough of them around. alright so mabe i come from somewhere where women are totally abused. but i come from a society where women abuse their power too much.

i see women berating men on the newspaper almost everday. when only a small minority of men bothered to retaliate. WHY? not because they're speechless. but they had a family. a wife that need him to provide. those women are those i think should shut up and give us a break.

and if my sister comes back with a black eye, i would give her a good washing down so to teach her a lesson. if she dun listen to advice from her own family then she should have saw it coming. and then i will go whoop up the man. i will FUCKING FUCK THE FUCKING DOOD who land a hand on my sister.

see? women and men are built different. they wanna talk things right after a man hit them? i say fuck it and hit them back. stop your fucking whining about how men and women are only same humans. IT IS THE WOMEN WHO KEEP SAYING THEYRE SOMETHING ELSE THEN HUMAN!!! DON'T YOU FUCKING SEE U HOMO????

i spoke up for women who are being bullied back then i school. i spoke up for women who should have the right to do what they have talents in. But i will berate and flame the women who flame down men who are out working their ass off to support their family. i would fucking flame all those women who view men as inferior. i dun care if those women gets raped 10000000 times in a day. i don't care. they deserve it. they are what i call THE WOMEN EXTREMISTS GROUPS. and if they insist they are something other then human(jus cos human has got the word man in it) then fuck it let them be.

for the other normal, nice, loving women, i say treat them with respect.

as for pornography. damn boy. if men would go marry women pornstars because they are virtuous ladies then i wil apologise about watching porn. but many of these women just do not bother about finding better jobs. some women are just in it for the fucking(think japan). some women just like to show off their body.

and i am not condemning anyone of them. i'm just saying we are all celebrating the female form. Celebrating the beauty of women. Thats why men love porn so much. and since when is that a crime? it becomes a crime only when women tries to berate at men by using porn as their weapon. now that is wrong. and i gotta fight back. i can't let WOMEN EXTREMIST GROUPS flame, berate and defame us men and step upon our broken bodies to climb the coporate ladder and gain status in society. what? it's impossible? its what is happening in my country u fucktard.

if you read enough psychology you know that men who watch porn are less likely to become rapists.


Period.
Fullstop.

stop ur fucking whining

[SaintDL]

and i can already see you're one of the women extremist groups. omfg

[Downfall]

read enough psychology and you will be able to think you can prove just about anything

[Digital Limit]

I cannot believe that even in spite of people TELLING you that THEY became warped because of porn...you don't believe them.


Stormy

Videogames made me do it.

[RAY16]

http://members.cox.net/retarded-popsicle/JapaneseMarioGirls.jpg

[xenophage]

O_o

[Jwr5]

O_o

[SaintDL]

Videogames made me do it.
ROFL

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[SuperDavidGT]

read enough psychology and you will be able to think you can prove just about anything

Did I mention the world was flat?

[Elitez Psycho]

mmm... Ok. I was at Victoria today and one of my classmates, same grade but being a wtflol almost fanatical Christian (Protestant) said that "Ok, if porn is what creates child molesters? Then what about the Catholic Chruch?" You see what this is getting to? The Catholic Church is notorious for kiddy fiddlers and they BAN porn. Well.. Stormy at least now you've given me some facts and said that it is true for some people that are fucked up because of porn. Still... I say it's the parent's responsibility that their kids turn up into such sick fucks when they grow up. If the parents did their job and educated their kids properly about sex, porn and such then there would be a very slight chance of people like your uncle. Hence my quote of David at the bottom.

Oh yeah... what SaintDL said about porn preventing a large number of men becoming rapists. That is ridiculously obvious, if men didn't have some kind of outlet, then the rape stats would go fucking through the roof. All it requires is common sense to see that.

[farsimon]

them saying they did it because of porn is not a fact - it's an easy way to blame something else, and ANYONE who falls for that is an IDIOT because it's pure BULLSHIT!

I saw porn more than once when I was about 5-ish - and not your average porn - no - it was fucking hard core dutch/german fucking fuck porn, yeah you know the type. At 13 I got my mother to buy me porn, and it didn't affect me even then. I still enjoy porn - assloads of it, and so does my wife. But it did not make me a molester or rapist....


NO!


...but now that you mention it, I've got a get out of jail free card now. I can now go and fuck little kids, and rape their mothers... and blame it on porn...
yeah, that'll work.

[san_pali]

...but now that you mention it, I've got a get out of jail free card now. I can now go and fuck little kids, and rape their mothers... and blame it on porn...
yeah, that'll work.
lol

[Elitez Psycho]

...but now that you mention it, I've got a get out of jail free card now. I can now go and fuck little kids, and rape their mothers... and blame it on porn...
yeah, that'll work.

That's true... I just realized that today actually.

If porn's the cause of rape and child molest cases then how come Japan, and parts of Europe where they've got the most insane hardcore, weird and unusual porn in enormous quantities and legal prostitutes as well as easily avaliable porn have such low rape and molest case stats compared to the States? Answer that.

[SuperDavidGT]

wrrod wihthut prn d beee liek worrl whtout beeer


dud beer@@

[Rohan]

Seriously, I think the problem arises when kids watch porn. Or teenagers like bxx. Ahaha j/k.

That and some immature adult bastard who disrespects and treats women as objects. Not all women are dumb.

[Rohan]

That's true... I just realized that today actually.

If porn's the cause of rape and child molest cases then how come Japan, and parts of Europe where they've got the most insane hardcore, weird and unusual porn in enormous quantities and legal prostitutes as well as easily avaliable porn have such low rape and molest case stats compared to the States? Answer that.

Thats because Japan has a rich History of Nobility, Honor and everything respectful. Same with chivalry in Europe. So it sort of creates an unconscious awareness for the people who live on those countries to behave properly. America on the other hand has just been crazy ever since. And Japan became crazy after they thouched (attacked) America (Pearl Harbor.) Ahaha j/k!

[MrBored]

I like teh porn.

+1

[Vlad]

I think it's really cute how some poncho people get all worked up over sexual content in video games, yet don't even flutter an eyelash at the extreme violence found in some.
Sex has never killed anybody. Sex creates life, violence destroys it, get your fucking priorities straight you dumb censors!

[gamp_alcom]

Feminism and pornography go hand in hand. We can't have one without the other. If there was no porn, women wouldn't feel the need to protest shit and guys would just fuck them. And if there was no feminism there would be no need for porn.

That is some pretty good logic there actually

http://members.cox.net/retarded-popsicle/JapaneseMarioGirls.jpg

lolz...

I really really hate it how people blame video games, sex or anything else. These are people who doesnt accept responsibility and refuse to see thier own actions.

Others are just dumb blind and deaf to life and think they are superior.

[tisl]

Resurrections create erections for some people here. Those erections can kill you.

[SaintDL]

That is some pretty good logic there actually



lolz...

I really really hate it how people blame video games, sex or anything else. These are people who doesnt accept responsibility and refuse to see thier own actions.

Others are just dumb blind and deaf to life and think they are superior.

i couldn't say it better. the dumbfuck for parents should see their mistakes and neglect for their own kids before they blame schools and video games for what their children do. everything is never their fault. they just look for people to blame.

[LynX]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4213/resurrectionangelsjo2.jpg

[TopSecretBoy]

For fucks sake would you stop calling it "the 'net"?!

It's plural! The Internets!

[Digital Limit]

I just re-read those posts and I agree. Too much the 'net.

I use the intertubes these days, anyway.

[MrBored]

intrawebs!