Half Life 2 or Doom3?

[wangstramedeous]

Eheh, so what do you guys think? I say Doom 3 still beats all though its true all hype so far is based on the graphics; Half-Life was king awhiles after all...they probably won't want to fuck up on the predecessor.

[RADiator]

Im not going to vote coz im looking forward to play both games.

[aphremen]

I'm looking forward to both but I voted for hl2 because according to John Carmak, you'll need to wait at least a year until you can get a cpu and video card fast enough to run Doom3 at a steady 60 fps. :D

(Yes I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean!)

[Yian]

The choice is obvious guys, Half-Life 2 is the way to go! Maybe Half-Life 2's graphics isn't as brillant as Doom 3 from what we have seen so far, but it is close enough! And it is realistic and high-poly.... What really important is the gameplay! Doom III is just gonna repeat the plot of the original Doom, which is basically shoot shoot shoot and shoot..... and Half-Life 2? There is gonna be great plot and great gameplay, just like the original but even better! I could smell it already!

[aphremen]

How does it smell? I think it smells like the spice, melange. Like cinnimon! :D

[RAY16]

lol, 5 votes for HL2 and 0 for DOOM III. So far everybody is looking forward to HL2 more then DOOM III. I really don't think DOOM III will have a good story, just graphics and guns. There is nothing wrong with graphics and guns, but i really think DOOM is the kind of game that deserves a dark, compelling story to make it great. It deserves a good story, not just a graphical overhual and some half-assed story.

[future man]

I hope to hell DOOM III makes me shit myself.

[cr3am]

half life was so good, but who ever got obsessed with doom?

[Yian]

Originally posted by cr3am
half life was so good, but who ever got obsessed with doom?
And look at how many mods for Half-Life are out there, too, both for single-player and muti-player. Doom 3 will be a great game with good graphics, but will anyone be able to make any mod with it? Not unless you're as smart as John Carmeck...

And with the level of graphics in Half-Life 2, and it's mod support, we can expect more and more professiional degree mods from mod makers! Half-Life 2 is nothing but good!

[future man]

Actually modding it will be incredibly simple, the built in editor is super easy to use so ive heard.

[Odm]

Hey, who voted Doom? Half-life 2 for sure! Actually, I only played a bit, but CS is a lot of fun, and what I played of Half-Life was cool. Doom, on the other hand, was not as good.

[IkYiolul]

Originally posted by Yian
And with the level of graphics in Half-Life 2, and it's mod support, we can expect more and more professiional degree mods from mod makers! Half-Life 2 is nothing but good!

what you fail to realize is the bigger aspect of things.. id. software is gonna get money from making an awesome graphics engine...many more ppl are gonna use the doom3 engine, as they did the q3 engine. Who cares about pesky enthusiasts that wanna change ur game, when your company's scope on things is to make the newer graphics technology in your game appeal to other game makers. I'm not saying that d3 isnt gonna be good tho.
And what was that about D3 just following the doom series shoot shoot shoot? HL2 is a sequel too, and doom had more of a plot than you realize, its also why they are making another!

[cr3am]

how many times have ALL of you said Gameplay>Graphics?

[sushi128]

well, i didn't find HL's gameplay to be very astonishing in the first place, so doom 3 gets my vote for it's graphics.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by sushi128
well, i didn't find HL's gameplay to be very astonishing in the first place, so doom 3 gets my vote for it's graphics. HL or it's mods gameplay didn't mean anything to you? When was the first time you played them?

[aphremen]

HL had great gameplay and the next one will too. The plot will be great, the mods will be great (yawn) and the graphics will be great.

Doom 3 will probably be pretty good but like I said the requirements will probably be 3ghz or greater processor, 2gb or more ram, 10gb free hd, 72x or higher cd drive, windows longhorn or newer, ATI Raedeon 9700pro or better to play any resolution above 640x480, and a 1tbps internet connection for online play (if there is any).

You'll be able to play HL2 on a pentium 100mhz with a tnt2 32mb graphics card, 100mbs of free hd space, 4x or higher cd rom drive, and a 28.8kbps internet connection for online play.

[sushi128]

doom 3 (demo/alpha) ran on my friend's geforce 3 at around 30-40 fps (lowest at around 25), so on an optimized engine should get around 45? 50? this is 1024 x 768 with no AA and no AF.

i'm thinkin a geforce 3 will be the minimum.

and i played the original half life, and i absolutely hated it. didn't care for the story very much (however original it was). i played counterstrike, and then came wave after wave of cheaters, so i stopped that. i have TFC sittin around, never got around to it. you guys don't have to convince me it's a great game, ok? i'm not gonna tell like, hundreds of thousands of people that they've got horrible tastes in games.

and aphremen, i'm glad to see you exagerate both ways :)

[aphremen]

Yes I do. :) Anyone have any ideas what engine hl2 is running on? Hopefully not still that modded quake 2 engine, that game engine needs a rebuild or just to be swapped out for 409 or something bigger.

That's pretty good news about the alpha running so good, as long as it runs as fast as Splinter Cell I'll be happy.

[sushi128]

yeah well.....i'd hate to think how many people don't have geforce 3's :)

and besides, everybody's gonna wanna put their video cards to it's knees. 16xAF, 6xAA, LOD bias....and all that good stuff.

[aphremen]

Well, ppl who don't have geforce 3s are either not gamers, or are gamers who aren't old enough to buy the game thanks to the rating. After all, I can't imagine that anyone who is over 18 and likes games that wouldn't be willing to give up eating food for a week so that they could at least buy a geforce 4 ti4200 for a measly 20 bucks.

[RAY16]

yeah well.....i'd hate to think how many people don't have geforce 3's



I got a shiny new GeForce 3, that means i'm better then anybody with a card below mine. Muhahahahahaha!.....O_o

[sushi128]

yeah, the step from dx7 to dx8 is HUGE :D

[Rhenna]

Let's stay on topic, boys.

cr3am has it right. We want gameplay over graphics. (I sure do, anyway.) I like a great looking game as much as anyone, but if that's all you bring to the table, you have little more than an interactive graphics demo.

id makes terrific games, but they have virtually no track record whatsoever with plot, story, character portrayal, etc. Maybe this time it'll be different. There's no assurance that Valve will do as well story-wise as the 1st game, much less surpass it. But, at least they have some track-record in that area, so I'm much more excited about HL2.

3 wishes:

1. Valve: Get me the hell away from the Black Mesa Research facility, already.

2. id: Let's take a step or two away from the gothic artwork.

3. Both: Spend a little less time on the graphics, and a little more time on AI.

[RAY16]

3 wishes:

1. Valve: Get me the hell away from the Black Mesa Research facility, already.

2. id: Let's take a step or two away from the gothic artwork.

3. Both: Spend a little less time on the graphics, and a little more time on AI.



Well, acording to what i've read, HL2 takes place in a city or a small town in europe. And i'm pretty sure the AI will be good, the game has been in development for a while and they won't be limited by CPU power like they were back in the days. I'm sure HL2 will be a good game, if not a great one.

The game i'm worried about is DOOM III, I don't think its going to have a good story. The graphics are great, the weapons will probably be cool, and there should be plenty of blood & guts. But I really hope DOOM III has a good story, something dark, compelling, and immersive. Not just some half-assed story about demons invading some type of outpost on another planet for some unknown reason. I don't want to be droped into a demonic warzone with my only objetive as "Kill dem sons of bitchs, kill dem good!."

[cr3am]

I've been thinking of making a three page rant for AT on why AI is what brings every gamer to leave any game after a certain amount of frustration.

Rhenna's got it right, Gameplay>Graphics, AI>Graphics

[sushi128]

depends on the game. in doom's case; graphics>AI>gameplay>(storyline^10). why would storyline have ANY importance in a game like doom? in RTS's....i look for a good interface and storyline. would it make sense to look for a good interface in an FPS? it's all the same click and shoot, WSAD, 1-9 weapons, etc...

so i hope you're not thinkin that that formula of yours is universal. tell me what in the "gameplay" made HL different from, say, Deus Ex, red faction, or...unreal 1? unreal 2? i'll leave doom out cause it doesn't include the all important storyline.

[cr3am]

I am an of above average intelligence. People who don't think before they talk annoy me, pointless entertainment confuses me, etc.

That being said, while playing doom 3, i don't want the question running through my head "What the fuck are these things? Why the fuck are these things here? Why the fuck are these things trying to kill me?" When those simple-to-answer-questions aren't answered, i get REALLY frustrated, and pissed off at the game, and eventually stop playing. Beautiful graphics are no substitute for knowing what the fuck you're doing, and why you're doing it.

Edit: sorry for the bad language, i'm not mad at anyone :D

[RAY16]

That being said, while playing doom 3, i don't want the question running through my head "What the fuck are these things? Why the fuck are these things here? Why the fuck are these things trying to kill me?" When those simple-to-answer-questions aren't answered, i get REALLY frustrated, and pissed off at the game, and eventually stop playing. Beautiful graphics are no substitute for knowing what the fuck you're doing, and why you're doing it.



Exactley, WTF are the demons doing there in the first place? How the fuck did they get there? Why are they invading? Why does the game take place on another planet? Who is their leader, and why does he want to attack that specific place? WHY!! WHY GODDAMNIT!!!!

Being droped into the middle of a War-Zone with no idea why you are fighting what you are fighting is not fun. This game needs a story, and not some half-assed crap.

[sushi128]

the demons came from hell because stupid humans closed all the gates but one. your group of marines was sent to wipe them out, instead they left you to watch the door. you heard screams, you realized you were stuck and alone.

there's your story. now, again, what made HL different from the rest of the FPS's, in terms of gameplay? cause graphically, it sucks ass (i thought so even then), and the AI wasn't very special. gameplay and storyline remain (from our original list; think of more and we'll take it into account).

and just as i don't like HL, you guys didn't like the original Doom/doom 2 i take it? or.....diablo/2? dungeon siege didn't have much of a story. or tetris.....(now, i ask you, what the hell were those bricks DOIN there??? and where exactly did they go when they disappeared???!?!? answer me!!!!!!)

[RAY16]

the demons came from hell because stupid humans closed all the gates but one. your group of marines was sent to wipe them out, instead they left you to watch the door. you heard screams, you realized you were stuck and alone.




Thats what i call half-assed. When did the humans find these "Gates", who made the "Gates". And why would closing "Gates" release demons? Normally things get released when you open something, not close it. And why the fuck would the humans send one goddamn squad of marines into a battle with hundreds, possibly thousands of demons? You would think they would send more then one squad of marines, who was the dumbass that decided one squad would be enough?

And another thing, doesn't it take place on another planet, if so, why? Why the hell would demons be the things you are fighting? Isn't hell an Earth-only thing (hell being the place DEMONS normally come from)? What happened to the people that lived there before? How did they die if they sealed all the demons up?

Too many un-asnwered questions, its very frustrating if you don't get the whole story. Its just pointless fighting, and IMO pointless fighting should be rederved for Multi Player, not Single Player.


*Edit*


and just as i don't like HL, you guys didn't like the original Doom/doom 2 i take it? or.....diablo/2? dungeon siege didn't have much of a story. or tetris.....(now, i ask you, what the hell were those bricks DOIN there??? and where exactly did they go when they disappeared???!?!? answer me!!!!!!)



Tetris isn't supposed to have a story, there are no characters in it, just blocks. Its a puzzle game, you solve a puzzle. There are no characters, and when there are no characters, there is no reason for a story.

[Yian]

For all the players who's looking for a plot to watch while playing a game, trying to find all sorts of different ways of killing the monster, playing with the AI of the monsters, interacting with the enviroments, and logical puzzles in one package, play Half-Life 2.

For all the layers who likes to shoot lines of monsters, move one, and shoot more monsters, move on, shoot more monsters, move on, and shoot even more monsters.... Doom 3 is right for you. (Warning: Doom3 runs out of monsters, but Tetris never run out of blocks.)

[aphremen]

I would love it if Doom3 was scary like the aliens mod for doom? That would make it worth it for me, if it could be like resident evil.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

WhoGivesARatsAss.. i would play them both.. DUH!.. but still half life 2 coz i dont really remember doom 1 and 2 that much.. though i remember wolf 3d pretty nicely.. i think i never quite finished doom 1 and 2.. dont remember shit abt those games.. i liked hexen and there was one other game.. better.. it was like hexen and i think the name even started with an H.. damn need to get my brain fixed!-

[cr3am]

DOOM 2:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/2/197142/doomii_screen002.jpg


how the FUCK can you say this looks bad?:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/2/43362/halflif_screen001.jpg

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RAY16
Tetris isn't supposed to have a story, there are no characters in it, just blocks. Its a puzzle game, you solve a puzzle. There are no characters, and when there are no characters, there is no reason for a story. WHERE DID THESE FUCKIN BLOCKS COME FROM!?! :D

[RADiator]

Originally posted by cr3am
DOOM 2:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/2/197142/doomii_screen002.jpg


how the FUCK can you say this looks bad?:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/2/43362/halflif_screen001.jpg How can we actually compare this two games. They where developed in the different time period.

[sushi128]

lol, seriously. let's compare unreal 2 to half life instead. will give a more realistic comparison of graphics.

and the gates were built by a company called UAC(i think), and when they were found to be unstable, they were closed. SIX WERE CLOSED OF SEVEN, but before they closed the seventh, the demons had already slaughtered the scientists.

[colinm1]

Can't wait for both but HL 2 would be my choice, original one of best ever.

[sushi128]

well, like i asked of the other members, what was so special about it?

[future man]

If I had to choose between the two right this moment I would have to go with HL2, I never got into the DOOM series the way HL pulled me in (whats so special about it?...if you have to ask you obviously dont need to know). They're both going to be exceedingly wonderful games in their own niche of first person shooters.

[sushi128]

lol, more like you can't think of anything about it that's comparable to other games (wait, oh no, it trancends description).

[RAY16]

Poop

[sushi128]

poop indeed

[future man]

Never with any other game have I actually been afraid to see whats around the corner, or hesitate because of a slight noise, HL just pulled me into a world so believeable I really didnt have a damn clue what was happening around me, I didn't notice what was going on out the window, take in any sounds from the house or sounds from the street, all I was able to do was sit on my ass and peer directly into that monitor, no, window into that other world I was in, any games do that for you?

[cr3am]

well, he's talking about how hl looked like shit, and how doom 2 rules.

[Rhenna]

This isn't going to be easy...

RADiator makes an excellent point in saying that the previous Doom games can't really be compared with the much later HL, just from a technology perspective. But, this thread isn't about comparing the old Doom with Half Life.

What made HL, and some other games like Deus Ex, so cool to me was the pace of the game. It's rarely just a matter of, "how fast can I empty this weapon?" in HL. Your guns won't get you out of every situation, but using your head just might. Your not always under duress. You could, (and needed to) evaluate your best course of action. It all seemed to matter...

It can be argued that in the end, you're ultimately going to wind up exactly where Valve wanted you to be in a particular level, just like almost any other shooter. But there was that sense of progress, of overcoming obstacles towards an objective. Valve presented the game in a movie-like manner, and I found it very immersive, very convincing.

Fighting aliens, then the soldiers, then both, then repeating with experimental and alien weapons, then going into an alien environment where you have to learn the ropes on your own? Pretty ambitious, and pretty well done, IMO.

Maybe Doom III will have that same special something, too. But id hasn't delivered in that particular area in past games. I concede sushi's point, and it was well stated. Doom didn't need to be any more than it was, and I guess Doom III doesn't need to be either. "Twitch" games was what people called them. No reason why that can't still be a solid type of "gameplay".

BTW, WhoGivesARatsAss, the game you're trying to recall was:
Heretic

[sushi128]

well, how bout a counterpoint; Doom (like half life i guess), had a sense of urgency. u had to be fast on your feet, or you were dead.

now, would u really catagorize HL as a thinker shooter? i wouldn't; it doesn't touch the likes of rogue spear (and all similar). how about a shooting range like serious sam? well, that's doom; and obviously HL isn't doom.

so, how can u try and look for the same aspects in HL2 and Doom3 when they aren't even the same type of game? after the above analysis, i'd say you need to think about what style of FPS you enjoy. just as many enjoyed Doom as Half Life, which is why i'm gonna draw the line short of bashing the game (as much as i dislike it).

and the pace of deus ex is agreed upon Rhenna; truly enjoyable.

[future man]

PONG>ALL

[sushi128]

i'll drink to that.

[future man]

glad we got that settled :)

[cr3am]

nonono! PONG=TETRIS; PONG>ALL; TETRIS>ALL; HL2>TETRIS; HL2>PONG
that's how it works f00.

[sushi128]

blasphemy!!!!!

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

I need crack!.. btw sushi wants a cracker?!?!

hl was a nice game.. period.. end of story and rhenna thanx for the reminder abt heretic.. now that was one cool bitch.. i played it all day long.. and it was awesome.. like quake 2.. anyways.. what was i saying.. yes hl was good until we had counter strike.. that sucks donkey balls.. we have had so many clones of the damn game that i lost count.. the only ones i can think of now are global ops, tactical ops assault on terror (whatever the fuck that means).. and all that shit.. half life blue shift and opposing force were shit.. not even 5 hrs worth of gameplay.. the only thing i found interesting was the high res mod that made half life look sweet after 5 yrs or something.. oh well.. i liked original unreal also.. and serious sam rocks if u really like mindless trigger happy shooting.. unreal 2 offered that but just when u were trying to have fun we had the damn 2 minute loading screen.. i also loved red faction games.. not coz they have shitty graphics but they had some nice gameplay in them.. yeah i know most of u wont agree.. also black hawk down is cool too.. try that bitch out.. first delta force that has mediocre gfx.. all others sucked too..

[aphremen]

damn you cream you got to say it first! HL2=Doom3. HL>doom2. Doom>Pong. All=(HL2xDoom3)+PongxPong

[RAY16]

damn you cream you got to say it first! HL2=Doom3. HL>doom2. Doom>Pong. All=(HL2xDoom3)+PongxPong



Give yourself a pat on the back, you have once again confused the hell out of me. Good job!

[aphremen]

Well, i try. I just wish there was a way to show powers or scientific notation!

[RADiator]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
the only thing i found interesting was the high res mod that made half life look sweet Can anyone tell me where can i find this mode??

[cr3am]

it's a pack of models that came with Blue Shit.... Blue Shift

[RAY16]

This thread is boring now......I'm tired, and my nuts itch.....


http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/smileyhugetarddrool.jpg

[RADiator]

Originally posted by cr3am
it's a pack of models that came with Blue Shit.... Blue Shift Aghhh forget it i uninstalled the game anyway

[Odm]

Originally posted by aphremen
Well, i try. I just wish there was a way to show powers or scientific notation!
^ you fool! Pong*pong= pong^2

[Digital Pimp]

Imagine how good Counter Strike will be running on a HL2 engine. I can see it now (Drools)

[Yian]

Yeah! I can see aimbot, see-through-walls, shoot-through-walls, sky-walkers, autoaims, 500-health, invisibility... etc..., they are gonna look great with HL2's engine!!!

[cr3am]

cs was ruined years ago when cheaters took it over. anyone who plays, and doesn't cheat, hates the cheats, but is too obsessed with the game to stop.

[RADiator]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/preview_6026019.html NOT A FUCKING WORD ABOUT THE PLOT:mad: :mad:

[cr3am]

"I could write a book on the challenges we've faced in the development of Doom III"

yet i bet he couldn't write a book about Doom III

[RADiator]

HL2 news:
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/half-life2doesxbox.shtml

[Yian]

Nice info, Radiator. Thanks!!:D

At the beginning of the hype, people thought of the possiblity of HL2 on XBox only.... now it turned out that the console people are the ones who were scared. How can this game even be on the XBox? I mean, I'm not even sure my 9700 Pro card and 2.6 P4 can handle it with all the details on, and a machine with 733 celeron and a modified Geforce3...?? It's gonna either lag, or looks like shit.

For other platforms, hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha.......

[sushi128]

consoles run at a standard resolution of 640 x 480. the xbox will handle itself fine :)

and they have written books on doom. i think 4 of them (a series) became quite popular. collector's items now i think.

[Downfall]

i have all the Doom books at home somewhere...they were interesting

[RADiator]

Originally posted by Yian
now it turned out that the console people are the ones who were scared. Finaly well get some justice around here. :)

[RAY16]

consoles run at a standard resolution of 640 x 480. the xbox will handle itself fine



Isn't that the max res of a normal T.V? I think HD-TV's are the only TV's that an go above 640x480. Anyways, if HL2 and DOOM III are ported to Xbox (I'm sure DOOM III is going to be on Xbox) they will run fine. And they won't look bad either.

[sushi128]

uh.......so, if consoles display on tv's, what resolution do you think they will be at? besides, it's a fact. it's in the xbox specs. and of course it'll look good. runnin at 640 x 480 gives you A LOT of room for nice rendering techniques.

[RAY16]

uh.......so, if consoles display on tv's, what resolution do you think they will be at? besides, it's a fact. it's in the xbox specs. and of course it'll look good. runnin at 640 x 480 gives you A LOT of room for nice rendering techniques.



Whaaa? Are you saying that all consoles have run at 640x480? Because if thats what you are saying, then its wrong. Super Nintendo ran at 256x256 (something close to there), and N64 ran at 320x320 (Something close to there). I don't know the exact resolutions, but i know they didn't run at 640x480. Did you know that N64 had a 93Mhz processor? Crazy shit.

[sushi128]

well, sorry for saying consoles, but i was speaking of the xbox.

n64 had rambus too. first console system that used FSAA. i have NO idea what they used in the super nintendo. all i know is that it was a lot better than the genesis, but the genesis was faster :D

btw, tv's have a maximum res of 800 x 600 (HDTV's vary. maybe 1024 x 768 is possible with those things). NTSC allows for 480 displayed out of 525 scan lines. then u add things like progressive scan and what not.

btw, having a geforce 3, it's capable of 1920 x 1080. unfortunately, the little suped up GF3 can't even handle 1600 x 1200.

[RAY16]

I just saw this on megagames.com:


The story which broke the "Half-Life 2" news on PC Gamer magazine, hinted that there may be no console version for the much anticipated title. Troubled by the possibility of the game not appearing on XBox, AreaXBox, a German magazine, contacted Doug Lombardi of Valve software. He put their fears to rest by telling them that a version is already under development for Microsoft's console. According to Mr Lombardi Half-Life 2 on XBox will offer a minimum of 40 hours of single player fun, while it is not yet known if the game will support XBox Live, even though that would make perfect sense.

The possibility of HL2 being released on other consoles was not discussed, as you would expect from a magazine called AreaXBox but it was not ruled out either. It is unlikely that a PS2 or Cube version of the game would be easy to develop if we are to trust the first images we have seen of the game but it would make perfect business sense if the game or its technology surfaced on the other formats.

Doug Lombardi also made it clear that no news of the XBox version will be formally announced until after E3.

[RADiator]

WOOHOO!!!:cool:

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

After playing doom 3 alpha.. i am thinking doom 3.. atmosphere is awesome..

[aphremen]

Very cool. So I'm gonna be playing Sonic mega collection on my game^3 tonight. and that Game^3 is 6.4x10^15 better than the Intellivision.

I think I should gather together all my proofs and theorums (perhaps with the help of the other game mathmatician, cr3am) and write a book about game algebra. It could revolutionize the world!

[cr3am]

The best part of HL2 being on XBOX is that it won't be on GC or PS2.

It couldn't possibly be on PS2 if it looks GOOD! :)

Also, i read somewhere that XBOX is the easiest console to develop for :cool:

[RADiator]

Originally posted by cr3am
The best part of HL2 being on XBOX is that it won't be on GC or PS2.

It couldn't possibly be on PS2 if it looks GOOD! :)

Also, i read somewhere that XBOX is the easiest console to develop for :cool: What are XBOXes specs.

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

733 mhz cpu w/ a geforce 3 comparable vid card and 1 gb hdd

[RADiator]

Originally posted by WhoGivesARatsAss
733 mhz cpu w/ a geforce 3 comparable vid card and 1 gb hdd Can someone explain to me how the FUCK are they going to make an xbox port? I mean 733mhz MY GOD do they have to cut all the visuals out or something!?!

[RAY16]

733 mhz cpu w/ a geforce 3 comparable vid card and 1 gb hdd



Errr.... Last time i checked, it was 8Gigs, not one.

[Rhenna]

And 64Mb of RAM. I'm told it runs a very stripped-down form of Win 2000. Presumably, without the baggage of a complete Windows OS, the 733MHz PIII and 64Mb of RAM are adequate. Never had the pleasure...

(I wish Microsoft would sell a micro-sized, game-only form of Win 2000 for the PC. ;) )

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RADiator
Can someone explain to me how the FUCK are they going to make an xbox port? I mean 733mhz MY GOD do they have to cut all the visuals out or something!?! can you tell me how the FUCK your computer can even run with windows on it? i'll tell you, it's cuz windows has all this extra bullshit, and you need super power to do anything. When a computer is put to the sole purpose of gaming, it can do much more than you can imagine...

[RADiator]

Ok so determining from XBOXes specs we can determin minimum pc reqierments and they are:
PIII 800mhz
256mb ram
GF2 ( Carmack mentioned it officially somewhere)
So i expect it to give around 50 to 60 fps on my comp(P4 2.8
512 mb ram
radeon 9700 pro)
... or am i mistaking?
And cr3am dont get so angry about it...gishh!

[sushi128]

the geforce 3 is an ultra ultra, and the 733mhz P3 has a tualatin core. and the 64megs is DDR. i think it'll do fine :)

btw, they ported linux to the xbox. kinda cool, but u need a mod chip.

[RADiator]

Where can i find an actual and official specs for XBOX?

[sushi128]

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/details/xbox.htm

there. and btw, it's essentially a P3/celeron, cause it's an 8-way associative 128k L2 cache.

what's cool (that i just noticed myself) is that it has 400mhz DDR (2 x 200mhz). that's quite awesome for a P3 based console.

[RADiator]

Originally posted by sushi128
http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/details/xbox.htm

there. Thanks man!

[sushi128]

for anyone who cares, this site has the other consoles too:

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/details/ps2.htm

notice it has RDRAM....eh? eh? how bout that?

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/details/gc.htm

and HOLY SHIT!!! the gamecube has fuckin SRAM! there's the non-volatile shit we all want....

[cr3am]

Originally posted by RADiator
And cr3am dont get so angry about it...gishh! i wasn't angry, wtf?

[WhoGivesARatsAss]

cream needs a whore..

anyways back to specs.. 8gb hdd what the fuck.. really man.. why do they need 8gb of hdd.. maybe for downloading shit from the net right.. anyways.. xbox is a sorta hightech for now.. damn when the prices go down i will get one.. 150 bucks for a shitbox aint bad at all.. plus i can get cds for 4 bucks a piece.. now that would rock.. muhahahaha

[RAY16]

anyways back to specs.. 8gb hdd what the fuck.. really man.. why do they need 8gb of hdd.. maybe for downloading shit from the net right.. anyways.. xbox is a sorta hightech for now.. damn when the prices go down i will get one.. 150 bucks for a shitbox aint bad at all.. plus i can get cds for 4 bucks a piece.. now that would rock.. muhahaha


Games use it to cache textures, sounds, models and whatnot in order to improve performance. Its also used for custom soundtracks, unlimited saved games, and downloadable Xbox live content.


And on an unrelated note, i just got the new issue of PCGamer with the Half-Life 2 info in it (and non-grainy screens), and i must say, it sounds (and looks) great. I'm more excited about Half-Life 2 then i am about DOOM III, but thats not saying much since i'm really not that excited about either of them.

[aphremen]

wow, i didn't know xbox only had 64mb of ram! Since it's being handled by an MS OS, it probably leaves about 2kb for gamez.

[cr3am]

Originally posted by aphremen
wow, i didn't know xbox only had 64mb of ram! Since it's being handled by an MS OS, it probably leaves about 2kb for gamez. i love how we repeat ourselves all the time! :p it's a STRIPPED DOWN version of win2000... just enuf to run the games. That is why the cpu, gpu, and memory is more than enuf

[sushi128]

and it's DDR400!!! faster RAM is generally better than more RAM....

[aphremen]

hehe. I was kidding again. Yeesh, did you see my post about MS making nanoprobes that require you to eat MS brand foodstuffs or you'll die? and you need to upgrade your body constantly or the nanoprobes will actually slow your performance down and use up way too much short term memory?

But, at any rate, you can take the code bloat out of windoze, but you can't take the MS out of windoze.

[Kain]

Im going to vote for doom 3 seeing that doom was one of the first games id gotten on the mega drive about 10-9 years ago and ive been following them ever since

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