Revise the top ten most influential list.

[ALttP]

Either revise it to actually discuss Eastern AND Western RPGs or make it only about Western RPGs, which seem to be what it is anyway with the exception of FF.

Final Fantasy inspired many Eastern RPGs and brought it into the mainstream.

Pokémon inspired many collect-athon RPGs such as Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Dual Monsters, Spectrobes, Monster Rancher, etc.

Dragon Quest inspired Final Fantasy and is generally considered one of the first console role-playing games.

So praytell, what games have even been remotely influenced by Fable or KOTOR? The way you talk about them, there's no mention of their influence on anything, just their quality.

[Jwr5]

KOTOR influenced Mass Effect.
Fable influenced Fable 2.

[ALttP]

...Influencing a sequel is not influencing.

If you want to talk influence outside of the actual definition, Pokémon's influenced Pokémon G/S/C, Pokémon RuSaEm, Pokémon DP, Pokémon Ranger, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Pokémon Stadium, Pokémon Stadium 2, Pokémon Snap, etc.

Influence means that it started a new style which influenced OTHERS to follow. How does Peter's Fable influence Peter's Fable 2? It's not as if Fable started any new style which blew Peter's mind, so he was inspired to make Fable 2. He made it because the first was a million seller.

Even if you count those examples as evidence of influence, Pokémon, DQ, FF, and Wizardry have influenced as many games as KOTOR and Fable (if you combine them and then times them by 20).

[MrBored]

This was argued to death in the comments section...

[tisl]

Hah, Pokemon. In other news, my balls are super sweaty right now.

[RAY16]

Hah, Pokemon. In other news, my balls are super sweaty right now.

Welcome to the club.

[King Speedy]

There's a club?

[RAY16]

There's a club?

Yes. We meet on Thursdays.

[ALttP]

Wow, great to know that the qualifier for being on this list is not being "teh kiddie" along with being a Western RPG.

Pokémon has influenced more games than Fable and KOTOR will ever influence.

If you want to make a top ten RPGs without Japanese RPGs, be my guest. But don't make a top ten most influential games and exclude three of the most well-known and influential RPGs ever created (Wizardry, Pokémon, Dragon Quest). Stop talking about your opinion of a game's quality and actually pay attention to its influence - did anyone else notice that there's no actual reason provided to say what WoW influenced? EQ influenced more than WoW - Hell, that game influenced WoW.

[schnitzel_bob]

Yes. We meet on Thursdays.

Is it like a support group? Also, what are your feelings on sweaty ass crack?

[SuperDavidGT]

A sweaty ass crack is not something to be ashamed about. Wiping with a dry rag can help to alleviate symptoms, but if problems persist, please consult your physician and pray he doesn't keel over when he catches a whiff.

[ALttP]

:lol Nice to know that Western RPG fanboys respond to criticism with trolling.

The truth does hurt sometimes, yes.

[SuperDavidGT]

Man do you want a cookie or what? Come up with some new angles before you get banned for making this place more drab and uninspiring than it already is.

[RAY16]

Is it like a support group? Also, what are your feelings on sweaty ass crack?

We discuss the adverse effects that SBS (Sweaty Ball Syndrome) has on our everyday lives, and ways we can avoid such complications. The Sweaty Ass Crack Club meets on Wednesdays. They have the same activities as us, but they have a larger budget and can afford to have Cake and Pie at every meeting.

[ALttP]

Uninspired? I made legitimate posts, and all I've seen done by you is troll Japanese RPGs. This article is clearly about the writer(s') favorite RPGs, not how much influence they've had.

Even if we weren't even talking about Japanese RPGs, there are a lot of Western RPGs that deserve it so much more than Fable or KOTOR.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Japanese RPGs are shit.

[ALttP]

Reading comprehension for the loss?

Fable and KOTOR aren't even in the top ten most influential Western RPGs list.

Your biases aside, the list is still poor coming from a Western POV.

[burnart]

hehe
this is great

what about sweaty feet syndrome, when do they meet?
+1

[tisl]

Jesus for fuck ass ballsacks in hell. The article was an opinion. The fact that it's on a website doesn't mean it's pretending to be holy fucking scripture farted out from god's rancid mexican asshole. Just as you're a chink fanboy, the article's writer is a western fanboy. I like a legitimate videogame argument, but this is retarded. On the article being poor, I agree. But not because it doesn't have chink RPGs. They suck our united sweaty balls every Thursday. Chinks love salt, they invented soy sauce.

[ALttP]

Fanboy?

How in the Hell is someone who isn't calling for 90% of a top ten list to be only Japanese games, and calling for games that don't belong on it to BE on it? The difference between you and I is that you are far towards Western RPGs, while I play both and like both.

At no point did I ever propose "hey, let's not include Western RPGs". It's not even that this shitty list is an opinion and a biased Western RPG viewpoint, the writer didn't even do his own fucking research and if the only thing potentially wrong with the list is that it's biased, he wouldn't have included such shitty entries as Fable and KOTOR. Fable influenced nothing. I can think of tonnes more games that influenced more games than Fable ever could hope to influence - Bard's Tale, Eye of the Beholder, etc.

So as I've pointed out, put the "chink RPGs" aside and focus on the fact that this is a shitty list that puts focus on some nothing games when actual games that have had actual influence in the industry deserve it more - and like I said, they're also Western RPGs, so the only explanation that can be made is that the writer didn't do a lick of research or the writer wasn't thinking when he wrote the title.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Japanese RPGs are shit.

[ALttP]

And that's still irrelevant. Fable has no purpose being on this list. It doesn't matter whether or not these more influential RPGs are JRPGs or WRPGs, they're still more influential. Doesn't matter if it's Eye of the Beholder or Dragon Quest.

[RAY16]

hehe
this is great

what about sweaty feet syndrome, when do they meet?
+1

They meet on Tuesdays. I can't say much else, though. I don't really pay attention to what they do because they're a bunch of smug bastards that think their sweaty feet are more of a problem than our sweaty balls.

They aren't as bad as the eunuchs, though. A while back they tried to get us to change the name of the terrible affliction we suffer from to "Sweaty Crotch Syndrome" on account of them not having balls and being cry baby pussies that felt it was offensive to them and their lack of testicles, yet they still get a sweaty "crotch area". Fortunately, we won that battle and they eventually gave up and formed their own support group. They totally copied our list of activites, including our weekly Bowling get-to-gether at Gutterball Joes, except they go on Saturday instead of Sunday. What a bounch of douchebags.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Who the fuck bowls on Sundays? They win, Saturday bowling owns.





Look, Japanese RPGs are shit. I don't really know how you're not getting this through your head. They suck, end of story.

[RAY16]

Who the fuck bowls on Sundays? They win, Saturday bowling owns.

Well, you see, we had Saturday but they kicked us out of our time slot. Which is just another reason why we hate those fuckers even more. We may have to bowl on Sunday, but you know what? We have balls and they don't. So ha.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

They do too. Hence the bowling.

[RAY16]

They do too. Hence the bowling.

Those don't count, not even when they attempt to get the kid-sized bowling balls and super glue them to where their real nuts used to be.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Truth be told, neither group will be getting laid by foxxy American wimmins for their "mad bowling skillz". Why not call a truce on neutral grounds that you're both too lame (in your respective senses) to get chicks?

[RAY16]

Truth be told, neither group will be getting laid by foxxy American wimmins for their "mad bowling skillz". Why not call a truce on neutral grounds that you're both too lame (in your respective senses) to get chicks?

We will not compromise with those ballless wonders. We'd rather ally ourselves with the the sweaty feet guys.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Have you stopped to ask them about it? Perhaps it's not their fault they lack balls. Perhaps they somehow got into an accident with farming equipment (or animals) or a cement mixer. I recommend, from a high school guidane counselor's perspective, that you go talk to them and see their point of view. Maybe peace isn't so far off.

[RAY16]

Have you stopped to ask them about it? Perhaps it's not their fault they lack balls. Perhaps they somehow got into an accident with farming equipment (or animals) or a cement mixer. I recommend, from a high school guidane counselor's perspective, that you go talk to them and see their point of view. Maybe peace isn't so far off.

I don't care if their balls were ripped off by a crazed pack of rabies infected Rabbits. Their lack of balls isn't the problem, it's their attitude. Their just a bunch of assholes. There cannot be peace between us.

[ALttP]

And Fable was mostly a disappointment which didn't influence anything but a sequel.

Fact of the matter is that the list sucks for including Fable. Doesn't matter if it excludes JRPGs or not.

And besides that, I'm not even saying JRPGs are good. I have always preferred western RPGs and will always prefer western RPGs.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Well then fuck 'em over! Cut their breaklines. Sugar in their gastanks! Remove the bumpers from their lanes!

Just don't get caught. You don't need balls to go insane.

[Jwr5]

Blue Dragon was supposedly a good JRPG and Fable was influential because it simplified the RPG genre and made it more approachable to less experienced rpg gamers. Although it was simple it still had a great deal of depth. The humor of the game and the day/night cycles of the characters were influential as well.

[Jwr5]

The sheer depth of character interaction was also influential.

[tisl]

We will not compromise with those ballless wonders. We'd rather ally ourselves with the the sweaty feet guys.

I heard they're fond of footjobs.

[ALttP]

I don't say that Fable was bad, I say that what it could influence is different from what it has influenced.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Yes you do. Read your own posts. You're probably one of those fucking eunuchs just here to piss all over those of us with postitive sperm counts.

[ALttP]

Oh? Funny - looking over my posts, I only attacked it for not influencing anything and for being a disappointment.

And if anyone says that they weren't disappointed with all of the features Molyneux had to axe, they're kidding themselves.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Eunuch bastard.

[Jwr5]

Yes Fable was over hyped, but Molyneux is being careful this time around. I have high expectations for fable 2.

[ALttP]

I'd love to own Fable, but I have an older computer and haven't really had the spare cash to buy an Xbox or 360. I hope Fable 2 is what Fable should have been.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Applying very little thought to it:

Eunuchs can at least enjoy the company of a woman.

Eunuch faggots are shit out of luck.

[ALttP]

I see.

Done yet?

[Jwr5]

I'd love to own Fable, but I have an older computer and haven't really had the spare cash to buy an Xbox or 360. I hope Fable 2 is what Fable should have been.
The min specs to run it are: 1.4ghz processor, 254mb of ram, 3 gig of HDD space, and a 64 mb video card.

How old is your pc?

[ALttP]

Not sure, isn't mine; I haven't played anything more recent than Diablo II.

I feel very obsolete. :<

[RAY16]

I see.

Done yet?

Yes. I've had my fun.

Not sure, isn't mine; I haven't played anything more recent than Diablo II.

I feel very obsolete. :<

You should.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Then how the fuck can you be making these complaints?

[ALttP]

The fuck are you talking about? The article has nothing to do with quality and everything to do with what it has influenced.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Yeah, and you're a eunuch who somehow can stand those fucking cookiecutter chinkRPGs. What's so good about them? I hate those fucking androgenous characters who feel the need to save the world because their mom was killed by a fucking woodland critter. GET THE FUCK OVER IT! SAVING THE PLANET WON'T UN-BEAVER YOUR MOM!

[ALttP]

Idiot, do you even comprehend that this is about Fable NOT deserving the spot more so than a JRPG deserving it?

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Obviously you have no clue what you're talking about.

[ALttP]

No, I think I have a clue - for instance, you certainly are an idiot, so I'm right so far.

[LittleChief]

Dude, these forums are the worst place to complain about something on the main page. If you haven't noticed, the forum is almost entirely independent from the main page. If you're looking to get the list changed, there really isn't anybody here in power to do that. I suppose if you want to argue about it you can (If you can manage to find someone to genuinely argue with you), and even though your arguments are valid, they won't get you anywhere, sorry to say.

[ALttP]

I see.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

It's really pretty impressive I've dragged you on this long though. Hell, we hijacked and derailed your thread for a whole page and a half and you just kept prattling on and on about whatever the fuck you're still bitching about.

[schnitzel_bob]

HEY! Can we please get back on topic? I want to talk about my sweaty ass crack for fuck's sake.

Oh, and technically ALttp (fucking stupid username), since you're the only one not talking about sweaty balls or ass crack, you're the troll.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Trolling n00b bastard.


I don't get a sweaty ass, just a sweaty back and sweaty balls.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Relevant to thread (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1546265546)

[ALttP]

I prattled on because you're a pretty mediocre troll.

If you were better at thread derailment, this thread would be derailed a wee bit more.

[RAY16]

Relevant to thread (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1546265546)

That's a classic right there.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Funny, we derailed the thread to the point where the original topic wasn't even thought about.

You're just a pretty mediocre discussionist (if such a word exists!). You prattle on about things no one cares about, sharing your wounded point of view with people who just don't give a fuck.

[ALttP]

Wouldn't derailment entail that you affected anything?

All you've done is make the attempt to move the discussion off track.

However, you're pretty shitty because you acknowledge me. How the fuck can you derail a thread when you yourself contribute to the original discussion and actually DISCUSS the derailment?

GTFO, you lost this discussion pretty fucking hard long ago.

[tisl]

lol internet fight

[Dark_Swordmaster]

How does a n00b tell a regular to GTFO? My brain hurts...

[RAY16]

lol internet fight

I prefer cripple fights. Crab battles are also entertaining.

[Dark_Swordmaster]

Did I hear somebody say weeaboo!?

[RAY16]

Did I hear somebody say weeabo!?

WEEABOO!

[Dark_Swordmaster]

WEEABOO!

I HEARD WEEABOO!

[SuperDavidGT]

Will this is.... bizarre.


Wouldn't derailment entail that you affected anything?

All you've done is make the attempt to move the discussion off track.

However, you're pretty shitty because you acknowledge me. How the fuck can you derail a thread when you yourself contribute to the original discussion and actually DISCUSS the derailment?

GTFO, you lost this discussion pretty fucking hard long ago.

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[Downfall]

http://pbfcomics.com/archive/0PBF61009BC-Weeaboo.jpg

[schnitzel_bob]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2926/hansoloby7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[LittleChief]

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6271/motivator2964560or7.jpg

[tisl]

Word.

[Jwr5]

Werd.

[ALttP]

Hihi.