Global Climate Bullshit

[SuperDavidGT]

I had a guy actually knock on my door and offer to analyse the house and tell me my "carbon footprint". I asked him why, he said carbon was bad. I figured I'd test his gullibility and asked him if it was pollution, he said yes, and I told him no, carbon is a natural element therefore not pollution. I also told him that his Prius had a carbon footprint 3x greater than a hummer (it's true), and that he should get a real job, then slammed the door.

Anyone here actually believe that horseshit?

[MrBored]

I certainly don't. Its just the next hysteria topic, they always come up with something to be paranoid about, it helps drive the economy.

What I love is how people have a complete misunderstanding of scale. The 'carbon footprint' (lol) of cars doesn't even come close to the C02 output of industry. It isn't even in the same league. Take the production of steel for example. 440KWh per ton is required to convert pig iron to steel, or to recycle steel. Now you look at a single plant we have here in Richards Bay, RSA. It produces 136 000 tons of steel a year (thats 15.5 tons an hour). Thats just one plant. You could probably take all the cars in SA and replace them with bicycles and it wouldn't even make a dent on the 'carbon footprint' of Richards Bay because of the coal burning power plants required to produce that amount of electricity.

If people really wanted to get serious about climate change and our carbon impact on the environment, you would see nations building huge hydroelectric dams and 8th generation/pebble bed nuclear reactors. Fucking wind farms make me puke.

[halomizer]

all i know is its gets fucking hotter every year

[Digital Limit]

Yeah, global warming is real. Anyone who denies that is fucking retarded.

Whether or not we're the cause is up for debate, but shit is melting and we need to act.

No reason to hate on people that are trying to help.

[Yian]

It is definitely getting hotter, and things are really bad for every corner of the world. In Eastern Europe roads are melting already and they have blocked all roads to forests because every freaking tree can catch on fire by itself now.

I'm afraid this is the end. Well, I said this once before, but yeah, it is really coming true! I want to live! This is so sad!

[Digital Limit]

The polar bears are starving :(

[tisl]

I frankly don't give a shit either way because I don't feel like helping. There's no denying it's getting hotter, but the cause itself can be debated. And if it is caused by humans, don't look at me. It's not my fault humans are technologically advanced. Blame evolution, that fucker. If humans wouldn't have evolved we wouldn't be harming the environment right now because we'd be too stupid to do anything beyond what apes currently do. It's not my fault nature didn't predict a population boom that would eventually happen with enough progress. All I'm doing right now is playing my role in nature by driving an unclean car and being a pest in general. It's not my fault the process of evolution is flawed.

However, if the process is natural and what started this heat shit wasn't even remotely humans then that's even better because then it's guaranteed that it won't end up ruined and reversed and I can do whatever the hell I want to do because the world will have bigger worries than my shit.

[tisl]

Also, I tend to judge things by who presents them. Like, if someone with a huge beard told me something, I'm more inclined to side with them. This global warming shit is getting presented by people I really don't like. Stupid beardless middle and upper class bastards from developed countries with nothing better to do than whine about shit trying to feel important.

[MrBored]

Did you all know that the average temperature of the planet has only increased by 1 DEGREE CELCIUS over the LAST 100 YEARS. Its not getting warmer every year, its in your fucking heads. There is no way a human being could feel the slow increase, your memory of last year just isn't that good.

Two other facts, global warming decreases the power/chance of hurricanes and did not cause Katrina. The UK would get colder if global warming took place because the warm ocean current that runs past its shores would change direction. The UK is currently a lot hotter than it should be because of this current.

[LittleChief]

Hmmmm..
I think we should definately go back to the "good" old days. Where your life expectancy was about 35 years old. Where raw sewage was right outside your door. When you could gamble with your life by drinking a glass of water. Where a case of diarreah was a life sentence. Where it was just a pleasant stroll in the woods to find some food. When the "mother earth" controlled population with disease, whats a few million people dying from the flu? Where you were lucky if half your children survived to 1 year of age. Where the buffalo roamed and the deer and the antelope play. Civilization, who needs it.

Folks planet earth is gonna be just fine, people of the earth are gonna be just fine. As we get more advanced so does the environment get cleaner, do think we still have the same problems with waste or pollution we did 75 years ago? No, it's much better.

Hydrogen you say? If hydrogen powered anything was feasible, powerful and economical then I guarantee the car manufacturers would be churning them out by the millions. I've heard corporations have these crazy schemes to make a profit, if it worked they would be available.

Katrina's? Where were the 20 or so "katrina's" that were supposed to hit the U.S. in 2006 (it was supposed to be the worst year ever) as predicted by the climate experts? They can't predict the weather accurately for next week much less next year or ten years from now or a hundred years from now.

The world is changing, it has always been. We only now have the technology to realize it, and we're freaking out.

The long and the short of it is, don't lose any sleep over this and don't scare kids with it, even though that may sound fun. We'll just have to go back to using stories about Bigfoot and El Chupacabra.

[MrBored]

The world is changing, it has always been. We only now have the technology to realize it, and we're freaking out.

I liked that.

+1.

[iha‏teyou]

From what I understand about this 'scientific' bullcrap, global warming actually will cause it to get colder in my area. I'm fine with dropping it down a few degree's, it's damn hot.

[Rhenna]

My uncle and I were just talking about this very thing last weekend. He mentioned that in the late '60s and throughout the '70s, the worry was about global cooling. He said there was a proposal someone or some organization put forward to "paint" the ice caps black, so as to decrease Solar reflection/increase Solar absorption.

I think global climate patterns are cyclical, and that there may well be several patterns in play simultaneously, combining and recombining in various ways. But, whatever is taking place, is happening because that is just the way the World works, and I don't think there is much that can be done of a practical nature to influence this process. It seems to me our best move is to simply deal with the circumstances as they occur. By that, I mean assisting affected populations, not just throwing an extra log in the fireplace or cranking the AC a bit more. Hmmm... It occurs to me that the "carbon footprint" of a pair of Radeon HD 2900XT cards in Crossfire might be discernable by satellite.

Anyway, along these lines, I read an interesting article a bit earlier this week by a Canadian geologist, R. Timothy Patterson. (It was in the pocket of the airline seat in front of me.) Now, some of you may feel that, being Canadian, this man is probably drunk most of the time, and cannot possibly know what he is talking about. Not wanting to trigger any warming in this thread, I'll let that concept seek it's own level.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

Ack! I see it's one of these sites that require registration. Hang on. A single paragraph to summarize Patterson's contention:

"...by 2020, the Sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe Solar cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth. Beginning to plan for adaptation to such a cool period, one which may continue well beyond one 11-year cycle, as did the Little Ice Age, should be a priority for governments. It is global cooling, not warming, that is the major climate threat to the world, especially Canada."

I guess they won't be calling it Molson Ice for no reason.

[LittleChief]

Well said Rhenna.

[Lehesu]

I am pretty sure global warming is for realz. The amount of CO2 that we are pumping into the planet is certainly way the hell of the scale compared to any other period in history. And I think that waiting for "market forces" to fix our horrendous inefficiency is just plain retarded. The Invisible Hand is also extremely near-sighted and won't start moving shit until we are five years from doomsday.

[MrBored]

I just haven't seen any good science to convince me. I'm in two minds about whether or not the planet is warming, and if it is, I'm pretty damn sure we have nothing to do with it. I've heard from professors at my university that in a higher CO2 atmosphere, trees and plankton just grow faster to maintain the balance. If it is warming, its due to solar activity for sure. To think that man is having more influence on the planet than the Sun... well thats just 100% ego imo.

[Lehesu]

That diversity or life increases due to higher temperatures does not equate with humanity continuing to live and prosper as it has.

[MrBored]

I didn't say higher temperatures, I had said higher CO2 content. Humanity will continue to prosper if it gets hotter, Africa might get fucked over, but thats what living in Africa is all about. Remember, back when the vikings where fucking people up, Greenland was just that, green. Now its covered in fucking ice and is of no use to anyone. The vikings settled there and were farming and shit.

[BodomBeachTerror]

Global Warming is a bunch of horseshit. Quit worrying and live your lives.

[Digital Limit]

You represent Missouri very well, BBT.

[RAY16]

I wonder what the carbon footprint of the massive load I just dropped is. Judging by the smell, it's huge.

[Digital Limit]

In other news, the ice caps are melting.

[Lehesu]

When foreigners call and ask me for the most intellectually stimulating and refined state in our great Union, I generally refer them to good old Mizoo.

[LittleChief]

Remember, back when the vikings where fucking people up, Greenland was just that, green. Now its covered in fucking ice and is of no use to anyone. The vikings settled there and were farming and shit.

Actually, Greenland and Iceland were given their names to confuse the viking settlers.

[Yian]

Thank you Rhenna! Now I have a new perspective.

[SuperDavidGT]

You can always count on Rhenna to be awesome when it comes to intellectual things.



For a start, every time you hear them say "hottest day" or "wettest month" or "biggest storm" it's always followed by "in ten years" or "in a hundred years". That's because everything that is happening now has not only happened before, but it'll happen again. Just as the years have hot-cold cycles (they're called seasons), so do the centuries (that one's generally referred to as side effects of el nino).

And if you don't know what El Nino is, or if you think carbon is a bad thing, you need to listen up because obviously someone has to do the thinking for you. Global warming is bullshit. There is currently less than a tenth of a percent of the world's carbon in the atmosphere, the rest is underground, in living things, in the sea or on the seabed as limestone. Carbon is not an issue.

Yes, greenhouse gases have the capability to warm the planet ever so slightly, but no, they do not have the capabilities that Al gore and friends would lead you to believe. For humans to think they have the destructive power to harm the earth is not only vain but naive. There have been bigger, more sudden disasters worse than this that haven't changed the face of the environment. Mt St Helens put more shit into the atmosphere than every plane flight combined in a whole year. They say Formula 1 should be abolished because it's an environmental hazard, yet all F1 cars combined, during an entire season, will neither use as much fuel or put out as much pollution as a 747 in one single transatlantic flight. When you put it into perspective, you start to see the reality.

Cars are as clean and efficient as they'll ever be, which is VERY clean and VERY efficient. As I said before, the Hummer has a smaller carbon footprint than the prius, and that's because the amount of carbon and pollution released in the production of hybrid batteries is enormous compared to that put out during the refinement of crude oil. In fact, many so called clean alternatives aren't as clean as they say. Both biodiesel and bioethenol have heavier footprints than petroleum, and the idea that electric cars are good for the environment is entirely blind to the reality that electric cars = higher demand on powergrids = more powerstations being built = a shitload more pollution. The biggest thing people fail to realise is that everything "green" incurs higher costs in something they don't see. There is no need for alternative fuels - crude oil is not only the cleanest and most advanced system, but those rumours of oil running out within 50 years are a farce. There is enough oil in Siberia to substitute for the Middle East four times, there's twice as much under Africa, and there is no telling how much lies in Antarctica. The only difference is the cost to reach that oil, which would certainly inflate fuel prices, but if the governments found the balls to regulate fuel companies and lowered tariffs, then the price wouldn't change for the end user.

And another thing, the ozone layer. Do not, for one second, believe that we caused it. We only discovered it's existence, and we know that CFCs have an effect on it, hence them being banned, but we don't know where it came from. Disturbingly, 2005 they said it was at the smallest ever recorded size. In 2006 they said it was the largest ever recorded. The difference is that in 2005 they released pictures, in 2006 they didn't.

As for global warming/cooling, Rhenna couldn't be more right. It's cyclical, like seasons that span centuries. This is the normal process of a decade-long summer, which has most likely passed it's peak, and will soon start cooling down. The ice caps are going through a seasonal phase like snow on mountains; they melt because that's what they do, and in thirty years time they'll be growing again.

In fact, while we're on the topic of melting icecaps, who here did human biology? If you did, you'll understand homeostasis and negative feedback models. Those who don't; negative feedback is essentially a naturally occurring process where if a certain condition changes in an environment, the environment will naturally act to counter that change in aid of balance. For example, if you fat bastards climb some stairs and break a sweat, that sweat is the result of your body overheating and as a response releasing water onto the skin to help cool you down. On the earth, if the atmosphere warms and the average temperatures increase, then the polar caps begin to melt.

But that's where global warming stops. If the north cap, for example, melts, it releases fresh water into the ocean's currents. The gulfstream is one such current, an enormous movement of salt water from the top of the atlantic down to the indian ocean that has strong effects on the weather. If you increase the amount of fresh water in the north atlantic, thereby decreasing salinity of the currents, you disrupt them, you slow them down, and you also increase evaporation. That means you have two things; slower weather, and more moisture in the atmosphere. Those two combined have a very strong cooling effect on the planet.

If, assuming global warming is our fault, we caused the melting of the icecaps, the natural feedback process would kick in and cool the atmosphere. Because what we are supposedly doing has occured over decades, then it will take decades to rectify - there will be no rush as far as the earth is concerned.

[Lehesu]

Lots of holes in your arguments, David. Lots of em. You do a reasonable job at sidestepping them, though.

[Digital Limit]

The problem I have with believing SuperDavidGT's (and Rhenna's, for that matter) claims is that if it's so straightforward and obvious that global warming is bullshit, why are so many greater minds debating the issue? If the facts are as solid as you make them out to be, loud voices of truth would be out there protesting this right now! But they're not. Instead, people of motive are the only ones making noise, and I can only assume this is true because the lines are much more fuzzy than you actually know. Well, not fuzzy. I've heard many voices of truth in favor of global warming saying already that it's fact, but they're just the crazies, right? Eh, I don't know what to think. I'm just disgusted that monetary biases are giving science a run for its money. This kind of corruption is so frustrating.

[MrBored]

Basically it all comes down to this. If global warming is occurring, it doesn't matter who's fault it is, there is nothing we can do about it and we shouldn't be bothering ourselves with trying to prevent it. It will be too late for that and we should be trying to predict what will happen so we can then work towards technologies to live in that future.

I really like petrol engines and I'm glad that this global warming stuff is helping make them cleaner and more efficient, I just hope it doesn't make them go away. Electric motors whine, they don't purr.

[RAY16]

I don't have any thoughts on global warming, cooling, or spontaneous global combustion. I'll just have to deal with it as it comes.

[MrBored]

Thats probably the best thing to do...

[Lehesu]

Actually, a series of relatively modest steps, taken together, would drastically decrease the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere. We can do something about it. It just isn't one silver bullet. It's a series of much smaller silver shards.

[MrBored]

Coal power plants, and other fossil fuel burning sources, release a decent amount of sulphor and other particles into the atmosphere, the stuff that causes acid rain (remember that scare?). When the particles fall with rain, they take a lot of heat out of the atmosphere. Stopping coal power plants would actually increase the warming of the atmosphere as the sulphor and other particles don't stay in the air as long as the CO2.

[Rhenna]

The problem I have with believing SuperDavidGT's (and Rhenna's, for that matter) claims is that if it's so straightforward and obvious that global warming is bullshit, why are so many greater minds debating the issue?

For openers, I would like someone to point out to me where I made a claim in my previous post, or where I described, or even inferred, "global warming" as being BS. I offered my personal thoughts on the matter, nothing more. Clearly the text of what I wrote is displaying differently in certain web browsers than it is in mine. So, I'll begin by pointing out that the words "believe" and "know" are *not* synonymous, and state my personal views in a somewhat different way:

I believe that the current conditions anywhere on this planet are the result of a complex and dynamic combination of both terrestial and extra-terrestial factors, of which our understanding is quite incomplete. As such, I believe that our ability to reliably predict future local, regional or global conditions is a complete crapshoot. Anyone claiming to know what is ahead, the cause for it, and the ramifications of it, is guessing. Perhaps an educated guess, but a guess just the same.

And, I believe if every single individual on this planet was simultaneously of one mind towards a given effort to affect the global climate in a particular manner, even if that focus was sustained for several decades, that there would be any assurance whatsoever that the goal would be attained, or that all the human participation towards it would be the true, underlying reason for success if it was acheived. I believe the forces in play are simply too numerous, and too complex. Of course, you, the reader, are free to believe whatever you like.

Is human activity contributing to climate change? Sure, it might be. If so, to what extent? A lot? A little? I don't know. Does anyone? I'm not directing this at anyone within this Forum when I mention this, but I've noticed that, with many people, having this attitude or asking these questions is treated as blasphemy. There often seems to be a "herd mentality" on this subject, and anything less than a full-on embrace of the conviction that I'm condemning humanity to a horrible death by pretty much just living my life is considered heresy. I'm not irresponsible, and I'm not stupid. Isn't the "fact" of human activity affecting the global climate up to a bit of skepticism and critique? Apparently, with many, absolutely not. (At least, in part, because it's trendy, it's cool, it's hip; and so please don't rain on our crusade.)

And, this doesn't address the issue that *if* this is indeed fact, (and recall that nowhere have I argued it couldn't be), that any feasible program of human lifestyle modification will have any appreciable impact on bringing about more desirable conditions. I think it's a fine thing to be environmentally aware, to conserve, to recycle. But, I believe we all have already bought our ticket on this big ball of dirt, rock and water rolling through space, and, much like a roller coaster, it's going to run it's course despite if we're enjoying the ride or not. Yeah, you can maybe rock the car a bit by leaning left or right, or perhaps slow it down a tiny fraction by holding your arms up, but that's about it. Seems to me that you can either laugh and enjoy the experience or wail, be terrified, and fret about dying.

[Lehesu]

Rhenn, you are basically acknowledging that there could be lurking variables. I won't dispute that. However, their is a clear correllation between CO2 emissions and change in climate. And this correllation is something that has never before been seen at such a scale in the Earth's history. Whether or not there is causality in the correlation is up to debate. I, for one, am inclined that this human produced influx of CO2 has something to do with it, as CO2 levels have never been this high in Earth's history. And, quite frankly, I think you are underestimating the environmental effects that humans can have on the planet. Humans have the power to drastically change ecosystems and destroy species. If the Earth's condition is the result of "complex...terrestrial and extra-terrestrial factors" you must respect mankind's ability to affect many of these factors, factors that may not be directly or even casually related with climate change, but certainly affect the workings of our environment in ways we may not understand.

[LynX]

My take on it is this.

So, we have a dilemma which we can act upon, but we're arguing about whether we should do something or not.

All this arguing back and forth is not going to do anything. We've already seen the consequences of the NATO-effect (No Action Talk Only) has had.

Genocides in Africa were allowed to simply happen. Ethnic cleansing in Cambodia and other countries. Massive pollution of oceans and other lifelines which both humans and planetlife depend on, warning signs were all over the place leading up to September 11, 2001, all of which could have been avoided, but can now only regret in hindsight.

The answer to global warming is very simple, yet is an answer that is avoided and downright rejected in the name of money.

The answer is: take affirmative action (a fancy term which politicians LOVE to use but rarely execute) now to mitigate the effects of global warming. It is better to take the precautions now, and find out it was unnecessary later than regret NOT taking the precautions in the future and basically being fucked.

This guy puts the point across in more simple terms:
http://www.break.com/index/tough-to-argue.html

[Digital Limit]

Agreed.

[Kain]

The problem I have with believing SuperDavidGT's (and Rhenna's, for that matter) claims is why are so many greater minds debating the issue?.


Simply agreeing with an idea is not the way science works. You come up with a theory, and then you try to tear the shit out of it as much as possible, if after youv done its worse, and its still standing, then it must be somewhat more closer to the truth. [that and no one gets a Study grant simply by agree;ing with the other guy]

essentialy the earth goes through a nice little cycyle of freezing then heating up, then freezing again, and every now and then in between we get hit by something that either kicks so much earth up it freez's again, or starts enough volcanic actiity to cover half the earth is molten rock. Apparently where late for an ice age.


Personaly I have to agree with george callin. "The planet is fine!, The people are fucked!."

[nineball16]

I believe if we humans did everything we could to try to stop 'global warming', like produce hydrogen cars, stop coal burning plants, replant trees etc. The earth would still warm up. Its a cyclical process. Since the last ice age 18000 years ago, the earth has heated up many degrees and sea levels rose 150 meters. I don't think its going to stop until the cycle changes. And i certainly don't think powerplants and cars were the cause of the earth warming up since the last ice age. Its also not just a heating and cooling cycle of the earth, its many complex cycles in the weather, even the moon and the sun.

I totally agree with SuperDavidGT. The earth was built to last, and to last a long time. No amount of nukes could suddenly destroy the planet, because the wouldn't all be used at the same time anyway. And there's plenty of oil for the taking. Whatever happened to the Y2K bug. Wasn't that supposed to destroy all computers when the year 2000 came?

[SuperDavidGT]

Rhenn, you are basically acknowledging that there could be lurking variables. I won't dispute that. However, their is a clear correllation between CO2 emissions and change in climate.

Correllation does not equal causation. It's one of the first rules of statistics.

Rise and fall of global average temperatures on the scale of so called "global warming" has not only been seen before on meteorological records, but is confirmed to have occured in much more significant variations through geological evidence.

Just because it's happening now doesn't mean it's our fault.

That's almost as farfetched as saying "we exist, therefore God created us", except your claims do have some grounding.

And this correllation is something that has never before been seen at such a scale in the Earth's history.

Google "Permian period".

300 million years ago the carbon/sulphur/etc were so extreme nearly 95% of life was wiped out.

Check out the PPM ratings - as discovered through more geological evidence - of that time then compare them to now. Then look at the rate at which greenhouse gases are increasing. We are in no danger. What we put out is within the earth's tolerance because it is a gradual thing, it is something that can be dealt with.

Whether or not there is causality in the correlation is up to debate. I, for one, am inclined that this human produced influx of CO2 has something to do with it, as CO2 levels have never been this high in Earth's history.

Few things wrong with that

- we haven't been monitoring CO2 levels in the atmosphere for much more than half a decade

- yes it has been this high, and it has been higher without significant effect

- C02 is not pollution. CO2 accounts for less than a quarter percent of total atmospheric volume. Eco mentalists will have you believe that slight variations would wipe us out, but in reality, a variation wouldn't be noticed until it increased to two or three percent - that's more than 8 or 12 times more than it is now, and in the last thirty years it's only risen, what, forty percent?

And, quite frankly, I think you are underestimating the environmental effects that humans can have on the planet. Humans have the power to drastically change ecosystems and destroy species. If the Earth's condition is the result of "complex...terrestrial and extra-terrestrial factors" you must respect mankind's ability to affect many of these factors, factors that may not be directly or even casually related with climate change, but certainly affect the workings of our environment in ways we may not understand.

I think you are overestimating our impact. We might be a menace to other living things, but it doesn't matter how much you piss in the ocean it isn't going to make a difference.

I once used a car engine as an analogy for the earth. The worst we are doing is using the wrong octane fuel in a motor that can note fuel purity and tune itself to adjust. The Permian period was like lacing said fuel with diesel, but still not enough to cause the motor to seize - and we are nowhere near that stage yet.

I'm not denying pollution, nor am I saying that a proper green revolution would be a bad thing, what I am saying is that you've been had. Al Gore calls it the inconvenient truth, but ironically, it's turned into a very convenient lie for those who are literally making billions out of this, for the nuclear lobbies, for hippies pushing biofuel to break the middle east's crude oil monopoly, and for a government that wants people to forget about it's latest military fubar. There's always the fact that people need something to get batty about, and since nobody cares about japanese whaling anymore, or middle eastern terrorism or Y2K, it's now climate disaster.

I'm interested to hear what people think are viable alternatives to current methods, because the reality is, none of them are viable. One example, since I've used the electric car already; nuclear power isn't exactly as awesome as people say it is. There is no, and I mean no safe solution for dealing with nuclear waste.

Hell, the only way we can really save the environment and ourselves is to halve the human population, and as a result reduce infrastructure, but nobody's going to suggest that to the TV cameras, are they?

[Digital Limit]

I think you are overestimating our impact. We might be a menace to other living things, but it doesn't matter how much you piss in the ocean it isn't going to make a difference.


You know what's funny? That your analogy shows you're wrong about our impact.

Older thoughts about pollution used to be that a simple solution is dilution; the ocean is so large that there's no risk to just filling it up with our shit!

As it turns out, we were having a significant effect on our oceans, and that if we continued in that trend many species would have gone extinct.

[MrBored]

The only species we need are cows, chickens and pigs. We can live without the rest.

[Lehesu]

Thank you David, for pointing out that correllation does not equal causation. Now point out the part in my post that said it does. And we can date levels of CO2 on the Earth as far back as we can find geological samples to work with, a fairly elementary geological procedure (from what I understand). I had an interesting graphic that described the difference in circumstances between this current time and previous oscillations of climate; I managed to throw it away with a bunch of other docs half a year ago but the chart was quite interesting. Maybe I can track it down.

[MrBored]

http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif

[LittleChief]

I blame ninjas for the diminishing pirate population.

[halomizer]

I miss those pirates.

[LynX]

Watch Pirates Of The Caribbean 3 then.

[Mechanerd]

We're all gonna die...




Slowly... painfully, most likely sooner rather than later.
I'de try to do something about global warming myself but trying to convince dumb people to not be dumb is fucking pointless.

[iha‏teyou]

I'm gunna be dead before global warming gets too serious and I'll be damned if I have to drive pussy ass bug-looking cars that are powered by water and mansex.

[MrBored]

I'm gunna be dead before global warming gets too serious and I'll be damned if I have to drive pussy ass bug-looking cars that are powered by water and mansex.

QFMFT

[Lehesu]

I guess that argument only has solace because you are all low-lifes with next to nil chance of reproducing and so have no compunction with screwing the following generations of your genes.

Broad stereotyping ftw?

[MrBored]

I should have only quoted the 'I'll be damned if I have to drive pussy ass bug-looking cars that are powered by water and mansex.' part, it made me lol.

[tisl]

Driving is more important than the planet.

[burnart]

I'm gunna be dead before global warming gets too serious and I'll be damned if I have to drive pussy ass bug-looking cars that are powered by water and mansex.

Is ignorance bliss?
Haven't tried it myself

[iha‏teyou]

I guess that argument only has solace because you are all low-lifes with next to nil chance of reproducing and so have no compunction with screwing the following generations of your genes.

Broad stereotyping ftw?

I don't intend on having children, even though I've already planned to marry the hottest girl evar.

And also, since when do low lives not reproduce? Have you noticed the pattern that human evolution has started to take? Smart and mature people aren't keeping up with trashy people in producing kids.

By the way I hate you too.

[LittleChief]

I don't intend on having children

Thank the lawd.

[pjnt]

MrBored, you beat me to the punch line with your pirate. Flying Spaghetti Monster aside...

If you increase the amount of fresh water in the north atlantic, thereby decreasing salinity of the currents, you disrupt them, you slow them down, and you also increase evaporation.

CO2 accounts for less than a quarter percent of total atmospheric volume. Eco mentalists will have you believe that slight variations would wipe us out, but in reality, a variation wouldn't be noticed until it increased to two or three percent - that's more than 8 or 12 times more than it is now, and in the last thirty years it's only risen, what, forty percent?

I just wanted to note these 2 arguments. The first is correct but the conclusion drawn is not. There are many greenhouse gases, of which CO2 is one. The second statement is fairly accurate in it's fractional contribution.

The thing about CO2 is that it can be manipulated by humans to a large extent. So we can add to it or take away with decades of effort. That said, what we add or take away will do little to the globes temperature.

The green house gas which makes up over 95% of the nasty bastards is, ready, water vapor. Funny thing is we have less than 0.001% influence on it.

By that I mean human activities have no effect on water vapor content. Where-as CO2 has said to been increased by the aforementioned 40% because of sheep shit in New Zealand and quick 3 day vacations via RyanAir to the Med.

Also as mentioned before, CO2 is mostly locked away in the oceans in limestone. We've had higher levels and life survived, so I'm not worried about it.

Also, the gases are weighted by their impact potential. I think water vapor is a '1' and CO2 is a '2' and CFC's are a '3'. Even so, fluctuations in CO2 is negligible next to the water vapor monster.

Another thing mentioned is that : the less ice in the arctic the better for counter-acting the global warming effect. I heard the opposite. This was the reasoning:

The sun generates the heat which warms our world via light(and all it's yummy components).
The ice is white.
White reflects light.
Less white, more heat absorption, higher temperatures.


It convinced me. However, perhaps the fresh water into the oceans has a higher level of positives than loosing the ice has negatives. Something to read up on.

Someone wrote that we are just figuring out what is happening and are freaking. I like this. Humans hate change. We shore up rivers so they can't change direction to preserve political and economic boarders. We can live happily within the status-quo. It's in our nature to panic when something changes.

[MrBored]

Blogger Finds Y2K Bug in NASA Climate Data (http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm)

NASA has now silently released corrected figures, and the changes are truly astounding. The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place. 1921 takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur before World War II.

Thats just icing on my belief cake and a big fuckyouverymuch to all the goddamn annoying hippies.

[DariusSaysNo]

Smart people know that bodies of water like lakes and oceans filter pollution out. Learned it from the TV show Trailer Park Boys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iByUtDfsC0E

:D