thoughts on life, religion, etc. - Page 4

Digital Limit · #61 May 4th, 2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by future man

I'm not religious at all, but people who take this attitude are more often than not self loathing jerk offs who really just can't stand to see anyone else be happy.

You come across as a total tool. Shut the fuck up and let people enjoy whatever makes them happy. What is it driving you to pursue some pointless personal quest to shit all over something that really has no effect on you? Unless those fucking colonists are trying to kill you unless you convert, you really have no reason to bitch about someones beliefs.

I'm not sure exactly the context of this argument because I'm too lazy to read all of cocksmoker's bullshit, but I think the position that other people's beliefs don't affect you is extremely ignorant:

Lawmakers are a subset of the general populous who have beliefs which differ from mine, and many times these beliefs play a key role in which way a person leans. With that, many of these believer's values are not intrinsic to the person but inspired by their belief system, and that can come with troubling stipulations such as that they wouldn't hold said values if it weren't for some unsupported conjectures about our existence. If someone "shitting all over" someone else's beliefs can possibly inspire some doubt, I'm all for it. Doubt is healthy when it comes to religion, if only because it's all fairy tales in the end, and people need to reminded of that.

But yeah.

Digital Limit · #62 May 4th, 2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lehesu

Individual determinism...whether or not I decide to skip class kind of determinism. Agency doesn't really prove anything because determinism is concerned with how that agency is "determined".

And is this something you believe, or what? And if it cannot be disproven, you're saying I should look to religion, or do I have that backward?

IcedEarth · #63 May 4th, 2009, 02:04 PM

Nobody has disproved my tits theory yet. I win.

future man · #64 May 4th, 2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital Limit

I'm not sure exactly the context of this argument because I'm too lazy to read all of cocksmoker's bullshit, but I think the position that other people's beliefs don't affect you is extremely ignorant:

Lawmakers are a subset of the general populous who have beliefs which differ from mine, and many times these beliefs play a key role in which way a person leans. With that, many of these believer's values are not intrinsic to the person but inspired by their belief system, and that can come with troubling stipulations such as that they wouldn't hold said values if it weren't for some unsupported conjectures about our existence. If someone "shitting all over" someone else's beliefs can possibly inspire some doubt, I'm all for it. Doubt is healthy when it comes to religion, if only because it's all fairy tales in the end, and people need to reminded of that.

But yeah.

I'm arguing the fact that it isn't polarizing, it isn't as simple as black and white. Of fucking course there's going to be people who take things to the extreme in either end of the spectrum, but all things considered, not too many people that affect me on a daily basis exist on either end of that spectrum. If lawmakers beliefs differ from yours, you get politically active, you don't run around chomping at the bit spewing bile on them and completely shutting down your ability to even consider their point of view.

Digital Limit · #65 May 4th, 2009, 02:15 PM

I dunno, that bile spewing stance sounds pretty exciting.

future man · #66 May 4th, 2009, 02:15 PM

IF YOURE NOT ME YOURE WRONG AND ILL STICK MY SECOND MOUTH THROUGH YOUR SKULL

MrBored · #67 May 4th, 2009, 04:17 PM

I'm just glad that men and women of science ignore religion and get on with their work, so I can have cool shit.

Digital Limit · #68 May 4th, 2009, 04:36 PM

Amen.

blind_mad_cow · #69 May 4th, 2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Heart Of Darkness

Now about Heaven & Hell, I believe in Heaven and Hell simply because I believe in what I previously stated. God created man, satan defied god in saying he'd make men deny god. So when someone denies the existence of God, its like offending the highest power and making satan win over god. And I think that clearly explains why God created Hell, a place where people who failed him can be punished, which makes perfect sense to me

Ima jump way back to the last thing i read...like 2 pages ago.

If 'G'od and the devil made what is basically a bet that he could make man deny god and he took him up on that bet, thus heaven and hell... Dont that seem kind of childish for a GOD to do??? Or if not childish, at the very least a humanistic trait...

Lehesu · #70 May 4th, 2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital Limit

And is this something you believe, or what? And if it cannot be disproven, you're saying I should look to religion, or do I have that backward?

The presence of evil tends to be the most common argument against the existence of a God, assuming the traditional model of God. Most individuals, when asked to justify why we have evil in the world despite an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God, will point towards free will as the answer, an argument that I find compelling, assuming we accept the framing of the issue. I find these arguments more interesting than the unprovable fact vs. unobservable phenomenon argument that we have going currently.

I am in the interesting position of finding the argument for determinism very compelling, yet rejecting its conclusions as "not right". Determinism is also very related to moral relativism and a host of other stuff that liberal (read: irreligious) individuals espouse, so its interesting to think about it.

Digital Limit · #71 May 4th, 2009, 11:24 PM

It is interesting to think about, but it's also a scary thought. No one wants to believe their actions are preordained.

The Heart Of Darkness · #72 May 5th, 2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blind_mad_cow

Ima jump way back to the last thing i read...like 2 pages ago.

If 'G'od and the devil made what is basically a bet that he could make man deny god and he took him up on that bet, thus heaven and hell... Dont that seem kind of childish for a GOD to do??? Or if not childish, at the very least a humanistic trait...

Again I will reply by saying this; if god hadn't acceepted that challenge then we humans would have just been mindless slaves who do nothing but worship god for all time, instead, by accepting the challenge god has given us the gift of free will.

And I'm off this thread cuz its getting a little too crowded for my taste

MrBored · #73 May 5th, 2009, 01:34 PM

Day 4!!

blind_mad_cow · #74 May 5th, 2009, 10:05 PM

That didnt answer my question anyway...

I asked why 'G'od would make a bet. he is a god. Why are we so arrogant to think that God would have a humanistic trait such as betting?

Digital Limit · #75 May 5th, 2009, 10:18 PM

The trait of betting.

IcedEarth · #76 May 6th, 2009, 09:01 AM

Hehe.

Lehesu · #77 May 6th, 2009, 11:21 AM

I wonder what percentage of individuals that do a large amount of charity work are religious. Not saying that you can't be a good person without being religious, but people tend to emphasize those religious jerk-offs that put on moral airs over those that are quietly doing work in prisons and soup kitchens.

farsimon · #78 May 6th, 2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lehesu

I wonder what percentage of individuals that do a large amount of charity work are religious. Not saying that you can't be a good person without being religious, but people tend to emphasize those religious jerk-offs that put on moral airs over those that are quietly doing work in prisons and soup kitchens.

You're pure walking irony. Seriously.